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Message 2152152 - Posted: 13 Oct 2025, 21:26:45 UTC - in response to Message 2152141.  

Sorry Scrooge, you forgot "Tony B-liar" the knighted warrior.
I don't think there will be many in the Middle East who wants him there.
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Message 2152159 - Posted: 14 Oct 2025, 3:55:23 UTC - in response to Message 2152151.  

There isn't a Palestinian people, but just a couple of Arab clans in Palestine who don't trust each other, isn't it?

There is a Palestinian people, they want all the clans and proxies out! They are peaceful so they don't go around shooting guns and rockets. They live their profit's words; Peace be upon you. Their leaders were all killed off by all the various factions and puppets just so there wouldn't be a peace deal. Know who is the immoral.
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Message 2152161 - Posted: 14 Oct 2025, 7:37:22 UTC - in response to Message 2152152.  
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Sorry Scrooge, you forgot "Tony B-liar" the knighted warrior.
I don't think there will be many in the Middle East who wants him there.
I didn't forgot, but overlooked him, as I assessed the idea to task Blair as some strange joke from Trump. Just like Trump's other strange jokes... "Gaza Riviera" real estate projects etc.

I learned Blair still is, nevertheless, the Official Envoy of US, UK, UN, EU for the Middle East since the day he left Downing Street in 2007. Somehow a dinosaur from a bygone era, who has been forgotten. Eventually, Trump just wanted to provoke those who appointed Blair without ever reassessing this formally important position in 18 years; just like Mahmoud Abbas, the leader of the Palestinian Authority; 20 years in office without elections.

Knighted? Oh my... Yes, I vaguely remember... former PMs were offered life peerage by the Queen, a common practice that stopped after Sir Tony.
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Message 2152188 - Posted: 15 Oct 2025, 13:31:12 UTC

Taking a long term view, is this latest cease fire actually going to stop the violence? Or is just another break before the Islamic Arabs attack Israel again.

@ 13:16 Trump threatens to 'violently' disarm Hamas as group executes 'collaborators' in Gaza
US President Donald Trump has threatened to "violently" disarm Hamas as the group attempts to reassert control over the Gaza Strip.

His comments came as footage circulated online showing a public execution and other displays of force by Hamas fighters who have been targeting gangs accused of collaborating with Israeli forces since the US-brokered ceasefire began last week.

A clip that emerged on Monday afternoon showed Hamas fighters, some of whom were wearing body armour and Hamas headbands, executing a group of eight men. BBC Verify geolocated the footage to a junction in the central Zeitoun neighbourhood in Gaza City.


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Message 2152191 - Posted: 15 Oct 2025, 14:02:01 UTC - in response to Message 2152188.  
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US President Donald Trump has threatened to "violently" disarm Hamas as the group attempts to reassert control over the Gaza Strip.
What I don't like about such threats is, they have to be plausible or you better refrain from expressing them in the first place. Credibility is what Trump resp. the U.S. enabled to interfere in the Middle East and achieve a ceasefire, a virtue that Europe has lost completely.

Disarming Hamas means U.S. boots on the ground, in densely buildup urban territory. I can't believe Trump's supporters, resp. any American would support that.

Taking a long term view, is this latest cease fire actually going to stop the violence? Or is just another break before the Islamic Arabs attack Israel again.
Israel controls all borders of Gaza a.t.m. Heavy arms can't be smuggled into. Israel isn't endangered by what remains of Hamas.

But all inhabitants in the Gaza strip are... until a rational power takes control. How to achieve that?
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Message 2152253 - Posted: 17 Oct 2025, 10:13:01 UTC

Far far too late, some of the truth leaks out:


BBC Gaza documentary a 'serious' breach of rules, Ofcom says
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The BBC committed a "serious breach" of broadcasting rules by failing to disclose that the narrator of a documentary about Gaza was the son of a Hamas official...



... And the rest is Hamas propaganda that reshaped history.


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Message 2152456 - Posted: 27 Oct 2025, 20:31:07 UTC

Adolf Benji and his murderous land thieving mob will need a lot of babysitting.

Netanyahu has rejected 'Bibi-sitting' claims but the US is watching Israel closely.
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Message 2152472 - Posted: 28 Oct 2025, 10:39:25 UTC
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I hope the babysitter's attention is also focused on the Hamas leadership who agreed to fulfill 20 points of a ceasefire agreement.

Because without their willingness to cooperate there will be a bleak future for all residents of Gaza (Somalia?). Foreign investment for Gaza's reconstruction depends on stable political conditions. Without no one will invest a single dollar there.

International aid? Typically dries up quickly after the worst is over. The media's attention span... The next hot topic awaits.
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Message 2152486 - Posted: 28 Oct 2025, 19:32:08 UTC

They didn't sit on him enough.

Netanyahu orders Israeli military to make 'powerful' strikes in Gaza.

You just can't keep a lying Nazi down.
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Message 2152489 - Posted: 28 Oct 2025, 19:51:09 UTC - in response to Message 2152486.  

... And what of Hamas?

And what of the ongoing tribal warfare there of the two controlling tribes and the surrounding gangsters?...


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Message 2152513 - Posted: 30 Oct 2025, 21:02:43 UTC - in response to Message 2152489.  

... And what of Hamas?

And what of the ongoing tribal warfare there of the two controlling tribes and the surrounding gangsters?...

Here are your answers:

Middle East expert explains how Hamas can be disarmed | Mick Mulroy

Hamas refuses to lay down arms after Israel launches strikes


All in a Gaza gangster world of profitable lawlessness...


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Message 2152578 - Posted: 3 Nov 2025, 19:49:45 UTC

There's been rumours and stories about this going on for decades in Israeli military jails where Palestinians are held are now it's out in the open with proof.

How the arrest of an Israeli military lawyer has again shone light on shocking abuse of Palestinians.

Adolf Benji and has mob of far right Nazis have plenty more to answer for.
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Message 2152775 - Posted: 11 Nov 2025, 21:54:24 UTC

An avowed HELL ON EARTH until all are 'martyred':


Hamas fighters ... in tunnels present new obstacle to Gaza ceasefire progress
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... Key sticking points remain unresolved, including Hamas's disarmament, the reconstruction and future governance of Gaza, and the deployment of an international security force to the territory...

... involving scores of Hamas fighters believed to be in tunnels beneath the southern city of Rafah behind the so-called "Yellow Line", which marks the area under Israeli control...

... 200 fighters ... although this number has not been confirmed...

... Hamas has previously said the fighters will not surrender and demanded that they are given safe passage, which has so far been rejected by Israel...

... Netanyahu and Kushner had "discussed phase one, which we are currently still in, to bring our remaining hostages, and the future of phase two of this plan, which includes the disarming of Hamas, demilitarising Gaza, and ensuring Hamas will have no role in the future of Gaza ever again".

... Twenty living hostages and the remains of 24 deceased captives have been released, with four bodies remaining in Gaza.

In return, Israel has freed 250 Palestinian prisoners from its jails and 1,718 detainees from Gaza who were being held without charge or trial. It has also handed over the remains of 315 Palestinians from Gaza.

Both Israel and Hamas have accused each other of violating the truce...



There is a lot to untangle yet...

Including the surrounding very deadly politics of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Russia, the USA, and others yet...


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Message 2152783 - Posted: 12 Nov 2025, 13:41:28 UTC - in response to Message 2152775.  

... Hamas has previously said the fighters will not surrender and demanded that they are given safe passage, which has so far been rejected by Israel...
These pitiful Palestinian civilians (no military camos!) are being starved to death in underground dungeons by the IDF? No way out, barely able to breathe, chained up and beaten... How to end their suffering?
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Message 2152786 - Posted: 12 Nov 2025, 18:54:41 UTC

And yet Adolf Benji and his band of Nazi terrorists don't understand what a ceasefire means while their land thieving settlers step up their actions while being protected by the IDF.

Israel has destroyed more than 1,500 buildings in Gaza since ceasefire.

Israeli settlers set fire to Palestinian warehouse and land as West Bank attacks surge.

While this move seems to be another plan to kill more Palestinians on a whim.

Israel passes first reading of bill proposing death penalty for people it deems terrorists.

Meanwhile crooked Donny is trying hard to get terrorist buddy off the hook.

Trump urges Israel's president to pardon Netanyahu.
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Message 2152796 - Posted: 12 Nov 2025, 23:28:10 UTC

Not taking BBC reports as accurate.
A search on BBC Bias, November 2025 will get you;
In November 2025, the BBC faced a significant crisis following allegations of bias, leading to the resignation of its Chief Executive and Director-General
. Public opinion on bias is divided, with a YouGov poll showing a third of the public believes the BBC has a left-wing bias, while 19% believe it's right-wing, and 19% see it as unbiased. Accusations of bias center on a leaked memo critical of the BBC's editorial standards, particularly its coverage of the Israel-Gaza conflict and a misedited Trump speech in the Panorama documentary.
Bias concerns

Leaked memo: A leaked memo from a former BBC adviser raised concerns about impartiality, particularly in how a Donald Trump speech was edited for a Panorama documentary.
Israel-Gaza conflict: A report commissioned by the BBC's Ethics and Standards Committee suggested stark differences between the coverage on the BBC's English-language and Arabic websites. It found that the Arabic service had fewer stories about the suffering of Israelis and no articles critical of Hamas, unlike the English site.
Transgender issues: A separate memo highlighted a perceived bias in BBC coverage of transgender issues, with concerns that stories about the safety of gender-questioning children were underreported and there was a lack of coverage of detransitioners or the WPATH files leak.

Credibility and leadership

Resignations: The pressure from the leaked memo led to the resignations of BBC News Chief Executive Deborah Turness and Director-General Tim Davie.
"No institutional bias" claim: In her resignation statement, Turness insisted that the BBC is not "institutionally biased" and remains a trusted news provider.
Public perception: A YouGov poll revealed that half of the public believes the BBC is biased, but opinions on the direction of that bias differ significantly along party lines.
Government response: The UK government is responding to the crisis, with Culture Secretary Lisa Nandy stating that the corporation must "uphold the highest standards" while warning against "sustained attacks" on the BBC.

What happens next

New leadership: The BBC board will select a new Director-General.
Investigations: The BBC chairman is expected to address the concerns with the Culture, Media and Sport Committee.
Ongoing debate: The incidents have sparked a wider debate about the BBC's impartiality, a conversation that will likely continue in the upcoming BBC Charter renewal process.
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Message 2152803 - Posted: 13 Nov 2025, 5:56:28 UTC

Actually it was a division of the BBC that has screwed up on 2 occasions recently and not the whole BBC itself, though repercussions went all the way to the top, but I'd rather believe the BBC than those ultra conservative "Israel can do nothing wrong" links that you throw up either.

I also check other news sites out for verification before posting the 1's that I do and the only reason that I don't use those other links is because they're continually updating jobs that are hard to link to the parts required as updates can change those links a great deal.

But also let's not forget those pompous greedy morons that drew totally unfair lines in the sand in the 1st place that started this whole pile of far too many decades worth of crap off originally.

Also remember that the British Empire were nothing more than a bunch of murdering land thieves to start with anyway in their "empire building" days stealing from native peoples all over the world for their own profit and Israel is just carrying that sick tradition on today that they were unjustly and unfairly given, just on a smaller scale occupying parts of Lebanon and Syria ATM and still bombing the crap out of both as well while there's suppose to ceasefires involved there as well and finding as many ways as they can to exterminate as many Palestinians as they can with no proof at all on just their say so with weapons of destruction that no Palestinian has access to while the U.S. supplies most of those weapons that are being thrown about willy nilly by Adolf Benji especially when they would be of better use in Ukraine's war against PooTin.

Delusional and totally racist Donny, who wants to build his own empire as well, is the only roadblock to Israel not facing the same sanctions as Russia ATM, though many countries are wanting to do so.
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Message 2152807 - Posted: 13 Nov 2025, 15:30:15 UTC - in response to Message 2152803.  
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But also let's not forget those pompous greedy morons that drew totally unfair lines in the sand in the 1st place that started this whole pile of far too many decades worth of crap off originally.
It started decades before. I'd go so far to claim that it was the widespread antisemitism in Eastern Europe, especially in the Russian Empire (that conquered and annexed territories inhabited by large Jewish minorities), that led to frequent deadly pogroms against Jews in the 19th century which instigated the Zionist movement. The evolution of kingdoms into modern laicist nation states in Western and Central Europe (18/19th century) awarded their Jewish citizens with equal rights, not so in Eastern Europe. There were no civil rights at all (except for Austrian Galicia in today's Western Ukraine), just serfs and peasants. Napoléon tried to change that and failed.

The Holocaust then convinced those European Jews who initially rejected Zionism, that the Zionists (mostly Hungarian, Polish, Russian Jews) were right from the start. Their movement grew and gained the support of UK and France. How did the UK (greedy morons?) profit from these lines in the sand? Admitted, they profited from oil in Mesopotamia (today's Iraq). Not so in Palestine: few fertile lands with sparse water supplies; no resources, instead large deserts. Deemed unfit for self-governance by Brits. There was no further British interest in Palestine as soon they defeated the Ottoman Empire in Palestine. Just costs, casualties and frequent revolts of locals (by Arabs & Jews) against British rule.

Also remember that the British Empire were nothing more than a bunch of murdering land thieves to start with anyway in their "empire building" days stealing from native peoples all over the world for their own profit [...]
These same Brits once 'stole' this piece of land from native people that you are growing your veggies on now. My ancestors, just 700 years ago, did not stole land but they migrated to a sparsely populated Slavic tribal region (outside the Medieval German Empire) and made it a German majority one within few decades. There's still a Slavic minority here today; we take care of their cultural heritage (e.g. street signs in two languages, special schools) but in reality... they've been assimilated more than a hundred years ago. They are as Slavic today as Elizabeth Warren is Cherokee.

The British Empire brought the modern civilization, educational standards, infrastructure, jurisdiction, the idea of modern nation states to all their colonies. All states who evolved from the British Colonial Empire kept the British legal system and British democratic principles. They today fare way better than former colonies of other European Empires. Compare that with former Belgian (King Leopold II regarded the Congo his private property, all inhabitants slaves), Portuguese or e.g. German colonies. It was the British Empire that ended slavery (since ancient times practiced by Egyptians, Romans, later Arabs in Africa) in their colonies, then all over the world.

[...] and Israel is just carrying that sick tradition on today that they were unjustly and unfairly given, just on a smaller scale occupying parts of Lebanon and Syria ATM and still bombing the crap out of both as well
It was Lebanese territory where Hezbollah stationed thousands of rockets (infringing a couple of UN resolutions); the Lebanese government helplessly tolerating it. Hezbollah attacked Israel's Galilee region first, displacing more than ten thousand Israelis from their homes. Not different in Southern Syria; with the murderous Assad clan gone, Islamists then slaughtered the native Druze (not Muslims) population who settle in Israeli and Syrian parts of the Golan. Syria btw. since 1948 still is in a formal state of war with Israel. No occupation of parts of Jordan or Egypt btw., led by reasonable and peaceful leaders since decades. You can of course kick a lion in the butt, just don't be surprised when he is going to kill you then.

I miss your criticism of the large Turkish occupied region in Syria. Ten times larger (~4,000 sq.km / 1600 sq.mi) than Israeli occupied Druze territory in Syria.

[...] while there's suppose to ceasefires involved there as well and finding as many ways as they can to exterminate as many Palestinians as they can with no proof at all on just their say so with weapons of destruction that no Palestinian has access to while the U.S. supplies most of those weapons that are being thrown about willy nilly by Adolf Benji.
Osama bin Laden kicked the U.S. on 9/11. Wasn't it unfair that they hunted him with the mighty U.S. Air Force, Paratroopers, killing so many innocent people? ...and send the brutal Navy Seals gorillas to kill him; instead of a fair... what? Fist fight?
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Message 2152815 - Posted: 13 Nov 2025, 19:35:14 UTC

So you're saying that you support things like this going on?

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Message 2152822 - Posted: 14 Nov 2025, 1:10:50 UTC - in response to Message 2152815.  
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So you're saying that you support things like this going on?

Israeli settlers in West Bank torch mosque and scrawl hateful messages.
No, I repeatedly agreed with you on the settlers in West Bank who increasingly become a power factor in Israel (due to higher birth rates and immigration of orthodox Jews from abroad; Israeli governments subsidizing them). Their political influence is growing. They strive for a 'Greater Israel'; regaining all ancient Jewish territories beyond Israel's borders. No peace with Arabs possible without restricting them.

Netanyahu will not do that. His Likud party was founded by Menachem Begin (a former Irgun paramilitary terrorist who already attacked the British Mandatory rule before 1948) and General Ariel Sharon to achieve exactly what the settlers propagate. Hopefully, Arabs also learn that: Whenever they threaten the existence of Israel, there will be an election victory for Likud and another 'Netanyahu' will emerge.

Btw. it was Begin who achieved peace with Egypt, not a liberal politician. It seems to achieve peace in the Middle East it always needs the 'carot and the stick': doves like Rabin or Peres and hawks like Begin or Netanyahu.
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