So why?

they are dead?

So why?

they are dead?

Hardly...

The Iranian Regime is very muck kicking hard and is in the world news for rounding up over 21,000 of their own people and killing more people/victims than usual even for that brutal regime...

So... Why is that not more in the news? Why no huge outcry???


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The Iranian Regime is very muck kicking hard and is in the world news for rounding up over 21,000 of their own people and killing more people/victims than usual even for that brutal regime...

So... Why is that not more in the news? Why no huge outcry???

Because there's no credible source for these claims or these sources can't be verified independently. That's what should be the standard journalistic principle. As with Gaza, in a terrorist, inhumane regime like the Mullah's, there are no longer any Western journalists with boots on the ground or even living there. Even private persons (e.g. just visiting family) are taken hostage by the Mullah regime without obvious reasons, just because they possess a Western passport besides their Iranian one, to blackmail Western governments.

How to report from Iran under such circumstances? Likewise from Gaza. I instantly believe every rumor, the Mullah regime's grip on the Iranian society was endangered by the defeat in the "12 day war" with IDF's Airforce. If a regime is forced to quickly remove or replace lots of influential people, those to be blamed for a shameful defeat... why not also let all those critiques "disappear", who acted against the regime before.

What Martin eventually also insinuated, I'm not sure about that... There's a large Iranian diaspora in the UK (~100K). Most fled the Iranian revolution of 1979. If there's a diaspora abroad then there's always the regime trying to infiltrate them (same with: China, Turkiye, Russia, ...). There are surely many journalists in the BBC with roots in the Middle East. Are they willing or free to report unbiased, just the facts about e.g. Gaza or the Mullah's regime, without threats to their person or that of their wider families who eventually still live in the Middle East? Example: Christiane Amanpour's* (CNN's longtime news anchor) wider family (cousins etc.) still live in Iran.

* I don't believe Amanpour is... or was ever blackmailed by Mullahs; just an example...

Yes. Very much so...

Such is the very chilling ways of despots, gangsters, graft, and blackmail.


... As is now being seen in the USA...

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I wrote "China, Turkiye and Russia".... not the USA.

If it comes to journalists in the U.S... they are free to report the facts, their opinion, a distorted one as well... or even blatant lies. They won't be arrested or expelled by authorities. Eventually, they can't do that in front of a Pro-Palestine protest in NYC or Berkeley, but that's a different topic.

But I wouldn't reject the list of your accusations for every of today's influential U.S. politicians...

They won't be arrested or expelled by authorities.

Ask Jimmy Kimmel!

They won't be arrested or expelled by authorities.

Ask Jimmy Kimmel!

That is very much a Trump era now-real-threat.


One to watch and to guard against...

Only in the USA Despotic Regime of Trump.

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That is very much a Trump era now-real-threat.

That is not Trump-specific... nor a sign of a 'despotic regime' (exaggerated). We have that in Germany too.

Here, conservative voices are canceled from public broadcasting stations; not by station bosses or political blackmail but by fellow colleagues; other (left-wing?) presenters who secretly organize protest letters among employees to ban the conservative apostate. And the weak bosses obey. This gets off-topic here...

Yet another country signs up.

Portugal confirms it will recognise Palestinian state.

Portugal says it will recognise a Palestinian state on Sunday, making it the latest Western nation preparing to shift policy as the war in the Gaza Strip shows no sign of stopping.

The foreign ministry made the announcement ahead of next week's United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) in New York.

France, the UK, Canada and Australia are preparing similar announcements.

Israel has denounced the move, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu saying it "rewards terror" following Hamas's 7 October 2023 attack on Israel.

The US - Israel's main ally - has echoed Netanyahu's argument.

Well yesterday's news from around the world was filled with a lot of criticism of the Balfour Declaration and displaying the atrocities that occurred under British occupation against Palestinians before illegally handing it all over to another just as atrocious land thieving occupier.

Over 100yrs and nothing has changed for the rights of Palestinians, it's just got worse.

There are recent reports and video of Hamas perpetrating public executions in Gaza...


How many atrocities to suffer from them yet?...

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Terrorists doing terrorist things. Not surprising.

...and reasonable as well. Such a terrorist regime under extreme pressure is forced to assert its own claim to power on a daily basis; otherwise, the surely widespread discontent of their people would sweep them away.

Well yesterday's news from around the world was filled with a lot of criticism of the Balfour Declaration and displaying the atrocities that occurred under British occupation against Palestinians before illegally handing it all over to another just as atrocious land thieving occupier.

The victorious Entente Powers of WW1 made all kinds of declarations and treaties thousands of miles away from the places where people lived, about whose fate they made decisions. That's past history. Or should we also discuss the unjust 1919 Treaties of Versailles, St. Germain, and Trianon which separated millions of Germans, Austrians, Hungarians from their homelands and subjected them to foreign rule. These decisions stoked revanchist hate and led up to WW2. Or let's discuss the Treaty of Potsdam (1945) that expelled millions of Germans from their ancient lands; made them homeless and left them, especially women defenseless to a marauding Soviet army. According to international law, as enshrined few years later in the UN Charter (1949), this were war crimes committed by the victorious Allied powers.

This is irreversible history now. Anyone who sees it differently is a revanchist and warmonger.

Today's Palestinians were called just "Arabs", eventually "Palestinian Arabs" until 1968 (after they lost the second war). They declared in their original 1964 PLO Charta:

• Article 7: Jews of Palestinian origin are considered Palestinians if they are willing to live peacefully and loyally in Palestine." (Loyally? Under Arab rule, of course, without a State of Israel)
  

Source: https://learnpalestine.qeh.ox.ac.uk/uploads/sources/588a2ce5bc4c4.pdf

As to "atrocities under British occupation": Britain occupied the territory of a defeated war enemy. Many Arab tribes supported them to regain Arab liberty from Ottoman (Turkish) foreign domination. Brits and French created lots of new countries as they did in Europe. The League of Nations (UN's failed predecessor) granted them a mandate to govern Palestine. So, Brits were the rightful government whose decisions all residents, Arabs, Christians and Jews had to submit to. Brits deemed Palestine as unfit for self-governance (different than Egypt or Jordan). The Arabs in Palestine revolted repeatedly against British rule. They repeatedly perpetrated pogroms (e.g. 1929 Palestine riots, Hebron massacre) against oriental and immigrant Jews. The British tried to uphold public order and crushed insurgencies. Zionists retaliated, armed-up (Haganah), then also revolted against British rule, also with terror; killing or wounding hundreds of British forces.

You can accuse the British of acting irresponsibly. It definitely wasn't illegal when they ended their Mandate on May 15, 1948. The following war, eventually the entire decades-long conflict was maybe foreseeable...

Someone already pointed out here, after WW2 the UK was economically damaged and forced to withdraw. They announced this early on in Dec 1947, two weeks after UNGA decided on Nov 29 to partition Palestine (UNGA Resolution 181). Arabs immediately started a civil war against British administration and Zionists.

Zionists did not steal land, nor occupied they Arab lands before 1948. Instead they bought vast lands, mostly infertile deserts (e.g. Tel Aviv was build in the desert in the 1920s) and semi-desert areas from Arab landowners. They established businesses, factories... The economic growth attracted thousands of Arab migrant workers from Jordan and Egypt looking for jobs (Arab population in Palestine doubled between 1922 and 1945).

Jews, resp. the Jewish Agency agreed to UN's partition plan (yes, zionist leaders always intended to reestablish Israel in all its ancient territories, including Judea and Samaria (West Bank)). Arabs rejected. Amidst the 1947-1948 civil war Israel declared independence, the day before the British mandate ended. Seven Arab states started a war of aggression the next day and lost.

Over 100yrs and nothing has changed for the rights of Palestinians, it's just got worse.

Indeed, and there will be another 100 years in which nothing will change if they don't stop to threaten the existence of Israel. They must finally reflect on their own responsibilities in this conflict and confess: We are to weak to destroy Israel. After loosing the third war most other Arab countries came to this conclusion, decades ago. Why can't they?

Malta recognizes statehood of Palestine.

What does it change for the people in West Bank or Gaza? Nothing. It's about domestic politics in these countries. Politicians react to pressure by their parties to force Israel to retreat from Gaza, ending the war, ensuring Hamas survival, and ignoring the fate of surviving hostages.

Palestine is and for a long time will be a non-member of UNGA with observer rights. To become a full UN member state the UNSC must recommend that. Veto powers...

Details of the Gaza peace plan, as proposed by President Trump:

Trump's 20-point Gaza peace plan in full

I miss a crucial last point: Will the Palestinian Authorithy recognize Israel's sovereignty and will Israel recognize a Palestinian State?

It seems Netanyahu now has to choose between this peace plan and his government's far-right coalition partners...

Wait... what will be Hamas' reaction to this plan?

Wait... what will be Hamas' reaction to this plan?

Well...
...here's one reaction

Wait... what will be Hamas' reaction to this plan?

Well...
...here's one reaction

Let's check Trump's proposal against Hamas' response. In fact, they rejected most of the 20 propositions.

Hamas is 'willing to step aside' for a future Palestinian government but refuses to disarm, or to accept amnesty and exile abroad. They demand to remain 'on the ground' [in Gaza].

Their weapons would only be handed over to a Palestinian State, with [Hamas] fighters integrated into [a future] Palestinian National Army. This way, there never will be a Palestinian State without Hamas in power. Compare that with past decades of Hezbollah rule in Lebanon that sidelined the "official" Lebanese government... President, ministers... just helpless puppets of domestic and foreign extremist powers (Nasrallah, Syria, Mullahs).

I'm sure the Israeli government will love the idea of Hamas becoming part of the official National Army of Palestine. The Palestinian Authority will love it too; as Hamas will ensure PA government's rule across all of the future Palestine, won't they? NOT.

I fear this "deal" will lead to decades of civil war in Gaza with external powers, the Qataris, Egypt, and Israel arming different factions and clans within. A new Lebanon on steroids; large parts of it occupied by Israel (current 'Yellow Line' etc., as with all the other 'colorful' UN ceasefire lines in West Bank, Southern Lebanon, Golan; remnants of ceasefires from previous wars).

There will be no peace in Gaza until somebody, be it Israeli, Arab, or international forces end the rule of Hamas and force their leaders out of Gaza, just like US, UK, FR and IT forced PLO terrorists to leave Lebanon in 1982.

I also fear that Trump will quickly loose interest in this peace plan if there's no progress, resp. no positive prospects. This man so urgently need his Nobel prize to draw level with Obama.

U.S. boots on the ground? Never. Europeans? Will Starmer or Macron dare to send troops to build up their beloved Palestine? The French and British would push to impeach both on the same day.

Rational Arab powers fear the results of two decades of islamist brainwashing of Gaza's extraordinary young population.

I fear this "deal" will lead to decades of civil war in Gaza with external powers, the Qataris, Egypt, and Israel arming different factions and clans within.

Where have you been hiding? The Israelis have been doing that for many many months now.

In fact your next link is just 1 of those mobs that Israel has been supplying weapons too.

And most are predicting that Adolf Benji will do something to derail the peace process (yet again). He likely has Mossad already planning false flag actions to that end.

There isn't a Palestinian people, but just a couple of Arab clans in Palestine who don't trust each other, isn't it?

There are no widely recognized Palestinian leaders. Mahmoud Abbas is almost 90 years old now. Some claim that Marwan Barghouti, sentenced to life imprisonment in Israel could unite the Hamas and Fatah factions among Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank; lead them to peace and a sovereign state, just as Nelson Mandela did in South Africa. Hamas tried to secure Bargouti's release in exchange for the remaining 20 hostages, but without success.

Wiggo is probably right. Netanyahu neither wants a peace that leaves Hamas in power nor a Palestinian state. It's about time for elections, which he definitely will loose.

Now that the hostages are free, Trump can easily force him to respect the ceasefire. The overwhelming majority of Israelis want that. But how will Trump force Hamas to adhere to the 20-point plan as well? I can't imagine that.