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Message 2150991 - Posted: 8 Aug 2025, 1:21:27 UTC - in response to Message 2150984.  

Or are you just brainwashed by far right extremist/terrorist Zionists propaganda?
It has a name: Hasbara.
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Message 2151012 - Posted: 8 Aug 2025, 22:12:17 UTC
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Even the Germans have now had enough of Adolf Benji and his Nazi bunch, they also probably don't want to be dragged into continuing war crimes.

Germany halts military exports as Israel's Gaza City plan faces condemnation.

Germany will halt exports of military equipment that could be used in the Gaza Strip, Chancellor Friedrich Merz said on Friday, in response to Israel's plan to expand its operations there.

The public announcement, which emphasised the human suffering in Gaza, marks a significant shift in Berlin's policy towards its longtime ally.......
Father of Israeli hostage calls for Palestinian recognition.

Netanyahu's Gaza plan ignores criticism from inside and outside Israel.
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Message 2151059 - Posted: 11 Aug 2025, 0:28:35 UTC

Adolf Benji tries to defend the indefensible with more of his B.S..

Netanyahu defends Gaza plan, saying Australians 'would do it' too if there was an attack here.

Meanwhile his bunch of Nazis are still trying to stop what's really happening in Gaza from getting out by killing more reporters.

Al Jazeera says journalists killed in Israeli strike in Gaza.

But then again every Palestinian and reporter is a terrorist to him and his bunch of wet wipe war criminals.

Not only does the current Israeli government need to go (and many Israelis also agree) this state sponsored (and protected) cancerous growth also needs to be fully eliminated.

Israeli settlers intensify campaign to drive out West Bank Palestinians.
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Message 2151064 - Posted: 11 Aug 2025, 7:29:29 UTC

After Adolf Benji's B.S. speech Australia will be joining the September pile on.

Albanese announces Palestinian recognition, saying war in Gaza has gone too far.

Australia will move to recognise a state of Palestine at the United Nations General Assembly next month, with a condition that terror group Hamas play no role in its future governance.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said Australia would work with the international community to make recognition a reality.

"Australia will recognise the state of Palestine. Australia will recognise the right of the Palestinian people to a state of their own, predicated on the commitments Australia has received from the Palestinian Authority," Mr Albanese said.

"A two-state solution is humanity's best hope to break the cycle of violence in the Middle East and to bring an end to the conflict, suffering and starvation in Gaza."

The Palestinian Authority has promised Australia it would recognise Israel's right to exist, demilitarise and hold general elections, among other commitments.......
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Message 2151073 - Posted: 11 Aug 2025, 12:59:56 UTC - in response to Message 2151064.  

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Message 2151220 - Posted: 19 Aug 2025, 9:53:54 UTC
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In the bible we are told that the Jews became God's chosen people.
Perhaps it was because of their faith in their beliefs.
Perhaps it was because of their strength to persevere in times of trouble.
Perhaps it was because they were willing to sacrifice their own in the face of adversity.
Perhaps it was just because God asked them to.
One thing is certain.
Those who do not currently stand with Israel might want to strongly reconsider their position.
In this day and age, perhaps the coming of days, I would not want to be one to stand against them.
Stay strong and hold fast, people of God, children of Israel.
"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

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Message 2151294 - Posted: 3 Sep 2025, 18:27:28 UTC - in response to Message 2150825.  
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Btw. they don't need confirmation that AP or Reuters is all propaganda. They already know it because everyone can see it.
I would like some specific examples to back up this statement, please.
There are examples for everything in this conflict; for biased reporting, for propaganda pieces published by by respected mass media, for suppression of Hamas' as well as IDF's war crimes... examples for everything. It's a war. It's horrific. It's nasty. Truth died first.

But there's evidence for a general media bias in thousands of articles. You only have to analyze them thoroughly... which requires massive effort, staffers... thus time and money. Shortly after the Oct 7th massacre, I posted here about the shockingly evident bias at Al Jazeera which I identified within half an hour by just classifying and counting the recent articles' headlines.

A statistic evaluation of 1,378 articles published by CNN, BBC, NYT, WaPo, Guardian, AP, Reuters, ABC between Feb. and May 2024:
How Mass Media Misrepresents Combatant Casualties as Civilian Deaths in Gaza Coverage:
--> access to complete research data provided...

[...] media predominantly rely on figures from Hamas, designated as a terrorist organization, while disregarding Israeli military data. Though both sources provide incomplete casualty information, journalists rarely present or compare figures from both sides.


  • only 4% of publications cite Israeli data, [...]
  • Hamas-provided data appears in 98% of all sources
  • 19% of publications treat Hamas data as established fact, presenting figures without attribution
  • only 1% of sources acknowledge Hamas figures are unverifiable or contested
  • nearly 50% of publications question Israel's figures, despite Israel's minimal representation as an information source


--> "findings indicate a significant imbalance in source representation and scrutiny, potentially impacting public understanding of the conflict."



Media Bias and Misinformation Strategies in the Gaza Conflict

A startlingly low percentage of articles mentioned militant casualties or acknowledged that the MOH’s figures do not distinguish between combatants and civilians. This omission creates a misleading narrative that portrays Israel as targeting civilians rather than engaging in combat against a terrorist organization.

The analysis also exposes the disproportionate reliance on Hamas as a source of information compared to the IDF, further skewing the narrative. This imbalance contributes to the creation of an “authoritative version of reality,” where the media’s selective representation of information shapes public understanding and even influences policy decisions.

The consequences of this skewed reporting are significant. The distorted narrative of the conflict misrepresents its complexities and fuels accusations of genocide against Israel. The uncritical acceptance of Hamas’s casualty figures and the downplaying of Hamas’s role as an active combatant hinders efforts to understand the conflict’s true nature and achieve lasting peace. This distorted portrayal can also influence international legal proceedings and fuel movements like BDS, demonstrating the real-world impact of media bias.

The media’s uncritical acceptance of Hamas’s narrative and its failure to provide a balanced and nuanced portrayal contribute to a distorted understanding of the conflict. Addressing these issues requires rigorous data verification, adherence to journalistic standards, and a commitment to presenting diverse perspectives.
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Message 2151296 - Posted: 3 Sep 2025, 20:26:55 UTC

I wouldn't put much faith in Fifty Global.
Tatiana Glezer is the head researcher of Fifty Global Research Group, a research start-up established after the outbreak of the October 7 war. Originally a Moscow-based professional and Jewish community leader.....
And Disa.org doesn't rate well either.
A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency, and/or is fake news.....
I reckon that your choices are badly flawed with those sites.

Meanwhile Adolf Benji continues to ramp up the number of war crimes.
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Message 2151297 - Posted: 3 Sep 2025, 20:35:42 UTC

... So...

If Hamas were somehow so good and holy...

How come it requires an army and many casualties and deaths to walk the streets of a city?

How come the remains of the bodies of hostages are recovered from secret tunnels in that city?...


All in the name of some religion and ideology and "The Will" of Iran?...


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Message 2151315 - Posted: 4 Sep 2025, 4:18:30 UTC - in response to Message 2151297.  

How come the remains of the bodies of hostages are recovered from secret tunnels in that city?...
City?! Did you mean to say rubble pile?
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Message 2151316 - Posted: 4 Sep 2025, 5:44:27 UTC - in response to Message 2151315.  

How come the remains of the bodies of hostages are recovered from secret tunnels in that city?...
City?! Did you mean to say rubble pile?
And who were they killed by? Their captors or by the IDF turning that city into a pile of rubble?

Questions, questions, questions,......
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Message 2151335 - Posted: 4 Sep 2025, 11:20:35 UTC - in response to Message 2151316.  

How come the remains of the bodies of hostages are recovered from secret tunnels in that city?...
City?! Did you mean to say rubble pile?
And who were they killed by? Their captors or by the IDF turning that city into a pile of rubble?

Questions, questions, questions,......

The remains suggest torture and mistreatment and death from a long time ago.

The rest of the story is the ongoing cruelty.


All in the Holy Lands, as proclaimed by Iran and Hamas.


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Message 2151364 - Posted: 5 Sep 2025, 13:14:20 UTC - in response to Message 2151296.  

I wouldn't put much faith in Fifty Global.
And Disa.org doesn't rate well either.
A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency, and/or is fake news.....
Your listed properties of questionable sources is valid. But if a source exhibits just bias, not extreme bias... only frequently promotes propaganda instead of consistently... cites official authorities like Gaza's health ministry (controlled by Hamas) as its only source.... lacks transparency but not a complete lack of.... then it has to be seen as an acceptable source... for credible reporting in renowned news outlets, right?

I think, this assessment of sources is one of the causes of the media's biased and misleading reporting about this war. 'Misleading' reporting is a sure sign of propaganda.

I reckon that your choices are badly flawed with those sites.
So, you suggest the many facts and findings from the evaluation I linked are wrong? Then I ask you to prove them wrong.

Every careful reader/viewer of the mass media's coverage of the Gaza war will notice, without first suspecting bias (just as I considered Al Jazeera to be reputable until two years ago), that the reporting is grossly inaccurate, misleading, and biased. This causes these media outlets to lose credibility with significant portions of their readers and viewers.

I have long searched for a source that has evaluated a large number of articles to substantiate this obvious misbalance.

Since the study I linked to has now been exposed as being subservient to Moscow's and Israel's political interests, there is surely another, credible and detailed evaluation that proves that the mass media reporting on this war is balanced and accurate. I don't know of any.
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Message 2151365 - Posted: 5 Sep 2025, 13:39:06 UTC - in response to Message 2150966.  

And I gotta add, I am fully prepared to give up my membership in Seti [...]
No... please don't do that.

Discussing these things with arguments and counterarguments is the way to go. Retreating into isolation, dismissing others arguments is what damages the current political sphere all over the Western democracies.

I don't like today's frequent antisemitism accusations as well. I see genuine antisemites among the Mullahs leadership in Iran, in Hamas leadership, supposedly most of their brainwashed members. Among those organizing!!! Free Gaza protests or the so-called 'Sumud flotilla' in the Mediterranean. And I recognize them in our Nazi past.

I propagate 'fighting' with words instead of accumulating anger, prejudices, grieve... which in the real world tends to ignite ideology, fanaticism... then bullets... bombs, in the end wars of aggression.
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Message 2151366 - Posted: 5 Sep 2025, 14:04:32 UTC - in response to Message 2151315.  
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How come the remains of the bodies of hostages are recovered from secret tunnels in that city?...
City?! Did you mean to say rubble pile?
Gaza City, the most densely build-up urban center with high rising buildings in the Gaza strip is not a rubble pile. IDF excluded the city from ground operations in previous two years.

Hamas terrorists are in control of the city and its vast underground tunnels.

It's up to Hamas to release the hostages and to end their futile terror campaign. If they don't, in the end, you will be right: Gaza City... a rubble pile... and supposedly horrific numbers of deaths among civilians, Hamas fighters and IDF soldiers. Taking control of a densely build-up, fortified city is to be avoided at all costs, if there's an alternative.

The alternative is to appease Hamas; retreat from Gaza, leave them in power, still holding (I believe) two dozens of alive hostages (a couple German citizens among them btw.). And then to frequently awake by shocking videos on social media of starved hostages in this or that month, preferably on certain memorable dates... for years to come? No society on earth would accept that.
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Message 2151373 - Posted: 5 Sep 2025, 20:44:13 UTC

More misleading than fake news and propaganda sites is governments that restrict freedom of the press so that they can push their own B.S. narrative.

How Israel restricts reporting on its war in Gaza.

Meanwhile the list of countries is still growing longer.

Belgium to recognize Palestine, sanction Israel.
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Message 2151416 - Posted: 8 Sep 2025, 9:17:37 UTC - in response to Message 2151373.  

More misleading than fake news and propaganda sites is governments that restrict freedom of the press so that they can push their own B.S. narrative.
This includes Hamas' media policies in Gaza, if we for the moment assume that Hamas is the de-facto government of Gaza.

Meanwhile the list of countries is still growing longer.
...the list of countries that recognize a non-existing imagined state... What will be the achievement of such an idiotic and unilateral step? It improves nothing. It doesn't help Palestinians. It just emboldens Hamas. It damages any current ceasefire negotiations and convinces Hamas not to release the remaining hostages now, as the U.S. Sec. of State recently explained in a clear and short statement. They are offered a political gain without any concession.

Another point: Unilateral political decisions against Israel's interests will lead to unilateral decisions by Israel's government against the interests of Western governments; e.g. the annexation of the Eastern parts of West Bank (Area C) which are inevitable for Israel's existence against an Arab aggression (and remember there's still no peace treaty with Lebanon or Syria since the Arab-Israeli war of 1948, doubtful if one could be achieved any time soon).

There's a simple truth: There will be either a multilaterally agreed peace treaty that establishes a Palestinian state, respected by all of Israel's Arab neighbours as well; as was prepared within the Oslo Accords in 2000 or there will be no factual Palestinian state at all; no agreed upon state borders, no sovereignty on sea harbors, no control of airspace or international trade, thus: no sovereign Palestinian state; independent if these French, Spaniards or Belgians like it or not. That's the difference between realistic politics and populist imaginary delusions.

Those western governments that pretend not to understand this simple truth; e.g. for reasons of honest concern and good will (e.g. Norway), or more so for a cheap domestic political gain, either to appease their many Arab residents or to please their extreme left-wing and communist parties (Macron still don't has a government majority in France, his PM will eventually be forced to resign today) who have always been antizionist; remarkably many of them even antisemitic.

In the end these bigoted pro-Palestine supporting governments will have make it more complex, delayed for years or even hindered any option for a peaceful solution to this conflict. From the river to the sea... is also what the leftists in France roar... Better no peace in the Middle East than to witness Palestinians and more Arab governments being forced to recognize Israel's right to exist in a treaty. A nightmare scenario for most European left-wing extremists if their noble savages (Palestine's native people, right?), they have pampered for decades, would have been forced to abandon the goals of their lifelong struggle.
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