Is this a first, for Arab nations, and could it be a way forward for a two-state solution.
Arab states call on Hamas to disarm and relinquish power in unprecedented move

Now if you had read any of my links you would've already seen that Hamas has no future at all, so why do you keep harping on about Hamas when we're talking about the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians who have nothing at all to do with Hamas?

Nobody wants Hamas about just as most don't want the current Israeli Nazi government about either as both are nothing but terrorists organisations and the 1st would've have existed without the 2nd.

And yet.

Hamas very much is there:

A deadly presence;

Underground;

Overground;

and in the politics of a forever war in that area.


We need positive change to clear that area of the teaching of tribal perpetual hatred for the sake of some assumed history.

How best can we do that?


More so: How best can we do that when appeasement over the last decades has caused only more death?


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And the IDF is there shooting, shelling and bombing innocents who just want to get some food. How do you defend that?

Meanwhile our state premier and police force certainly wore mud over the weekend as they tried to stop a pro-Palestinian march across our coat hanger and failed miserably.

Sydney pro-Palestinian protest organisers deny police fears of 'perilous situation' on harbour bridge.



They thought that they'd stop about 10,000 people from crossing the bridge, but because of their silly actions to try and stop it 90-100,000 turned up instead.

Yet it's been ok to close the coat hanger for others to occupy it for many other reasons.

https://www.euronews.com/2025/08/04/netanyahu-says-decision-made-for-full-occupation-of-gaza

Psrael's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu confirmed on Monday that a decision has been made for the full occupation of the Gaza Strip, including military operations in areas where hostages are believed to be held.
"We're committing to free Gaza from the tyranny of these terrorists," Netanyahu said in a video address posted on X.
The plan explicitly excludes the sovereignty of Palestine, or more specifically the Palestinian Authority (PA)

There it is. Seize more land for the settlers.

And the IDF is there shooting, shelling and bombing innocents who just want to get some food. How do you defend that?

And how can Hamas and the other gangster tribes that control the Gaza area be excused for their killings and other atrocities?...

And how can the complicit support of the gangster terrorism of the Gaza tribes be condoned?...

And what did the Romans do for that area??? (Hint: A troubled peace against that killer tribalism even back then.)


All for how much longer?

Something has to change for the better and for some good.


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So you really can't yet you'll turn a blind eye to almost 80yrs of apartheid rule, land theft, displacement, locking up people in military jails without any legal access and straight out murder.

Well that has to be changed and has to happen.

‘Working together’: French PM speaks with Anthony Albanese on the implementation of the two-state solution.

And land theft and genocide is set to increase further under Adolf Benji rule.

Netanyahu meets with security officials amid reports Israel is considering full takeover of Gaza.

While his Nazi buddy Ben-Gvir just has to keep on with provocations trying to illicit a response that Israel can use to further its genocidal actions.

Far-right Israeli minister sparks outrage by praying at flashpoint Al-Aqsa mosque compound.

Yet there are some Israelis with a conscience and realise the damage being done to Israel's standing in the world's eyes.

Hundreds of Israeli ex-officials appeal to Trump to help end Gaza war.

A group of some 600 retired Israeli security officials, including former heads of intelligence agencies, have written to US President Donald Trump to pressure Israel to immediately end the war in Gaza.

"It is our professional judgement that Hamas no longer poses a strategic threat to Israel," the officials said.

"Your credibility with the vast majority of Israelis augments your ability to steer Prime Minister [Benjamin] Netanyahu and his government in the right direction: End the war, return the hostages, stop the suffering," they wrote.

Their appeal comes amid reports that Netanyahu is pushing to expand military operations in Gaza as indirect ceasefire talks with Hamas have stalled......

And they know full well that it's Adolf Benji and his Nazi crew that don't want peace to happen until the genocide and land theft have been completed.

The "Two-State" 'solution' has been deeply and thoroughly explored at great length and depth, almost continuously, over the last thirty years...

There was real hope of a 'solution' with Yasser Arafat. And, yet, due to politics in the Arab world, that solution (and further attempts all) came to naught, sabotaged:

In the early 1990s, Arafat and leading Fatah officials engaged the Israeli government in a series of secret talks and negotiations that led to the 1993 Oslo Accords. The agreement called for the implementation of Palestinian self-rule in portions of the West Bank and Gaza Strip over a five-year period, along with an immediate halt to and gradual removal of Israeli settlements in those areas. The accords called for a Palestinian police force to be formed from local recruits and Palestinians abroad, to patrol areas of self-rule...

... Prior to signing the accords, Arafat—as Chairman of the PLO and its official representative—signed two letters renouncing violence and officially recognizing Israel. In return, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, on behalf of Israel, officially recognized the PLO. The following year, Arafat and Rabin were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, along with Shimon Peres. The Palestinian reaction was mixed. The Rejectionist Front of the PLO allied itself with Islamists in a common opposition against the agreements. It was rejected...

Rinse and repeat many times.

"Interests" outside of Israel require a "Forever War" against the very existence of Israel and any and all of the Jewish religion.


Perpetuating an isolated indoctrinated group of 'expendables' and their children in Gaza for that purpose continues the atrocities...

When will the extremists in Gaza learn something better? (Under the present circumstances, that is never. Such is the requirement of 'interested parties' outside of Israel to remain in power by perpetuating a Forever War, any war anywhere will do, and perpetuating a poisonous mindless indoctrination of hate.)

Unless there is a positive change...?


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Rinse and repeat many times.

Yes you and a couple of others keep on doing that, can you do my washing while you're at it?

Rinse and repeat many times.

Yes you and a couple of others keep on doing that, can you do my washing while you're at it?

Terribly sorry, that is not possible.

The best is that we can hope you follow some of the pointers to more broadly/deeply follow how it is that Gaza came to be demolished.

Hopefully, the redevelopment of that area will be more peaceful and prosperous than the atrocity of recent decades.

Unexpectedly, the war against Ukraine may well help with enabling peace and prosperity in Gaza...


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Meanwhile:

Who will save the Druze?!


Who are the Druze and why is Israel attacking Syria?


This is all in the Holy Lands of old and yore... Where tribalism and old feuds continue...

(In our United Kingdom, we invented football and cricket to avoid/deflect the further bloodshed!)


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And the IDF is there shooting, shelling and bombing innocents who just want to get some food. How do you defend that?

And how can Hamas and the other gangster tribes that control the Gaza area be excused for their killings and other atrocities?...

What do you expect when since the '90's FOOD has been banned to be imported (except limited for show amounts). What would you do to bring attention to your starvation?

What do you expect when since the '90's FOOD has been banned to be imported (except limited for show amounts). What would you do to bring attention to your starvation?

Ask Hamas about their corruption and looting and food stockpiled to be left to rot?...

After all: Food is power for them...


And the wider world just shrugs rather than usefully helping.

For one example we have the token gesture of accepting 100 children from Gaza into Britain.

Why the magic number of 100?...


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Ask Hamas about their corruption and looting and food stockpiled to be left to rot?...

You should discuss the same with Adolf Benji and his bunch of Nazis that are pushing that narrative you're singing when evidence says otherwise.

But many of us now are coming down on the side of the innocent Palestinians caught in the middle that are being slaughtered and that number is growing fast due to the Israeli government's immoral conduct.

That also reflects on the morals of those that support either Hamas or the Israeli government. It's not a good look either way.

Also remember that it isn't just Hamas who are holding hostages (there are at least 2 other groups) and Israel have been doing same for decades, look at all the Palestinians that have (or are being) been held and abused in military jails concentration camps on trumped up charges.

What do you expect when since the '90's FOOD has been banned to be imported (except limited for show amounts). What would you do to bring attention to your starvation?

Ask Hamas about their corruption and looting and food stockpiled to be left to rot?...

Left to rot because it can't cross in Gaza. (under whose orders?!)

Ask your own "Ministry of Food" if Armies or Civilians got first dibs?

This is the totally unholy reality of the Hamas multiple-decades-long war against Israel and against the people of Gaza:


Why not enough food is reaching people in Gaza even after Israel eased its blockade
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International outcry over images of emaciated children and increasing reports of hunger-related deaths have pressured Israel to let more aid into the Gaza Strip. This week, Israel paused fighting in parts of Gaza and airdropped food...

... nearly all the trucks are stripped of their cargo by crowds that overwhelm them on the roads as they drive from the borders. The crowds are a mix of Palestinians desperate for food and gangs armed with knives, axes or pistols who loot the goods to then hoard or sell.

Many have also been killed trying to grab the aid. Witnesses say Israeli troops often open fire on crowds around the aid trucks ... The Israeli military says it has only fired warning shots to control crowds or at people who approach its forces. The alternative food distribution system run by the Israeli-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation has also been marred by violence...

... A lack of trust...

... Much of the aid is stacked up just inside the border in Gaza because U.N. trucks could not pick it up. The U.N says that was because of Israeli military restrictions on its movements and because of the lawlessness in Gaza.

Israel has argued that it is allowing sufficient quantities of goods into Gaza and tried to shift the blame to the U.N. “More consistent collection and distribution by U.N. agencies and international organizations = more aid reaching those who need it most in Gaza,”...

... As desperation mounts, Palestinians are risking their lives to get food, and violence is increasing...

... A truck driver said Wednesday that he has driven food supplies four times from the Zikim crossing on Gaza’s northern border. Every time, he said, crowds a kilometer long (0.6 miles) surrounded his truck and took everything on it after he passed the checkpoint at the edge of the Israeli military-controlled border zones.

He said some were desperate people, while others were armed. He said that on Tuesday, for the first time, some in the crowd threatened him with knives or small arms. He spoke on condition of anonymity, fearing for his safety.

Ali al-Derbashi, another truck driver, said that during one trip in July armed men shot the tires, stole everything, including the diesel and batteries and beat him...

... Israel has said it has offered the U.N. armed escorts. The U.N. has refused, saying it can’t be seen to be working with a party to the conflict...

All very deadly desperate as Hamas fights on...


This is all very certainly nothing for the people of Gaza. They appear to be being used as part of a weapon. So why do Hamas and the multitude of other armed groups in Gaza continue? And they are being supplied how?? (Something is keeping Hamas well fed and armed to continue the 'conflict'...)

All in the Holy Lands.


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So...

Any positive and practical suggestions as to what positively can be done? What is practical?


We can start with the Donald Trump plan of the USA taking control of the area, redeveloping the complete area into a holiday riviera. The people of Gaza are then employed as service staff to the newly created holiday industry there.

Create a Las Vegas strip?


Will that bring peace and prosperity?

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Unbelievable, now you're suggesting that more war crimes be committed while more innocents get slaughtered every day.

Dozens of Palestinians killed seeking aid as Israel mulls full occupation of Gaza.

At least 38 Palestinians were killed overnight and into Wednesday in the Gaza Strip while seeking aid from United Nations convoys and sites run by an Israeli-backed American contractor, according local health officials. The Israeli military said it had fired warning shots when crowds approached its forces.

Another 25 people, including several women and children, were killed in Israeli air strikes, according to local hospitals in Gaza. The military said it only targets Hamas militants.

The latest deaths came as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was expected to announce further military action – and possibly plans for Israel to fully reoccupy Gaza. Experts say Israel's ongoing military offensive and blockade are already pushing the territory of some 2 million Palestinians into famine. A new UN report said only 1.5 percent of Gaza's cropland is accessible and undamaged........

I gotta say, this thread is just rank with sickening anti-semites.

Meow.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

The reality of Hamas:


The secret system Hamas uses to pay...
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After nearly two years of war, Hamas's military capability is severely weakened and its political leadership under intense pressure.

Yet, throughout the war Hamas has managed to continue...

... the group had stockpiled approximately $700m in cash and hundreds of millions of shekels in underground tunnels prior to the group's deadly 7 October 2023 attack in southern Israel...

... Hamas has historically relied on funding from heavy import duties and taxes imposed on Gaza's population, as well as receiving millions of dollars of support from Qatar. The Qassam Brigades, Hamas's military wing ... is financed mainly by Iran. A senior official from the banned Egypt-based Muslim Brotherhood ... has said that around 10% of their budget was also directed to Hamas ...

... In order to generate revenue during the war, Hamas has also continued to levy taxes on traders and has sold large quantities of cigarettes at inflated prices...

... many residents in Gaza accusing Hamas of distributing aid only to its supporters and excluding the wider population. Israel has accused Hamas of stealing aid that has entered Gaza...

... BBC sources in Gaza have said that significant quantities of aid were taken by Hamas...

So, real world racketeering behind a facade of holiness...


All in the deadly real world of the Holy Lands...

There has to be a better way...
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The broken record is being played yet again.

So you're saying that 149 U.N. countries have it all wrong?

Or that nearly 600 retired Israeli security officials have wrong?

And are the thousands of Israelis constantly protesting against the Israeli government and the war wrong?

Or are you just brainwashed by far right extremist/terrorist Zionists propaganda?

Personally I'd answer "No" to the 1st 3 and "Yes" for the last.