One condition: Stay within the territory you control and harm no one outside.

Just like the settlements their neighbor places on their land?

There's no such thing as "their land" in their own country. This requires them to establish a sovereign country first

sovereign state is required to have a permanent population, defined territory, a government not under another, and the capacity to interact with other sovereign states. In actual practice, recognition or non-recognition by other states plays an important role in determining the status of a country.

Palestine, officially the State of Palestine, is a country in West Asia. Recognized by 147 of the UN's 193 member states, it encompasses the Israeli-occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, collectively known as the occupied Palestinian territories.

Palestine checks all the boxes, so yes, it is "their land." No matter what the Israeli propaganda machine spouts.

sovereign state is required to have a permanent population, defined territory, a government not under another, and the capacity to interact with other sovereign states. In actual practice, recognition or non-recognition by other states plays an important role in determining the status of a country.

By this definition, the Republic of China (R.O.C. on Taiwan) is not a sovereign country, but Palestine is? The recognition of R.O.C. (a founding member of U.N. and veto power of UNSC) was revoked by most UN members when Nixon started to flirt with Mao in 1972. Which country is more sovereign today R.O.C or Palestine? This definition and recognition BS is for paperwork; it's not representing the realities on earth. Politicians, especially progressive, liberal Western ones, tend to forget that.

Palestine, officially the State of Palestine, is a country in West Asia. Recognized by 147 of the UN's 193 member states, it encompasses the Israeli-occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, collectively known as the occupied Palestinian territories.

Palestine checks all the boxes, so yes, it is "their land." No matter what the Israeli propaganda machine spouts.

Majorities in UNGA is BS. Why should the opinion of e.g. Gambia and Fiji be more important than that of China or the U.S.? There's either consensus in UNGA or you can forget about "147 of 193".

Does the government of Palestine recognizes the State of Israel? Or rather does it govern the territories of Palestine in the first place? Who is the government of Palestine? Who executes the government's laws in Gaza? In East Jerusalem, in Ramallah? A state without a government in power is pure fiction. It's a theoretic but unrealistic concept from well-intentioned Western liberals; readily embraced by a corrupt Palestinian elite (e.g. Arafat, Abbas) who could steal billions of dollars as a result.

Large stacks of papers with all these definitions and recognitions should be better kicked out of the windows of this building at the East River, NY. It was an utter waste of time to write them, more so to insist on them.

Nation states are founded by leaders... in the field, or, as in the case of Germany, in the palace of the defeated hereditary enemy, but never by bureaucrats overseas.

Palestinians must appoint one of their own as leader (I'm not even demanding democracy...). Only a leadership recognized by most Palestinians can establish a Palestinian state. UN documents or organizations can't. Hopefully, they will understand that someday.

Those Israeli Nazi's plan on carrying out more war crimes.

Israeli defence minister plans to move Gaza's population to camp in Rafah.

Israel's defence minister says he has instructed its military to prepare a plan to move all Palestinians in Gaza into a camp in the south of the territory, Israeli media reports say.

Israel Katz told journalists on Monday he wanted to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of the city of Rafah to initially house about 600,000 Palestinians - and eventually the whole 2.1 million population.

He said the goal was to bring people inside after security screening to ensure they were not Hamas operatives, and that they would not be allowed to leave.

If conditions allowed, he added, construction would begin during a 60-day ceasefire that Israel and Hamas are trying to negotiate.........

... Well...

There is some merit to removing the 'conflict'.

That would also remove the deadly games being pushed by Iran.

... And Trump might even get his riviera!


But finally:

If the peoples of Gaza can live again, unharassed by whatever religious Mafias and deadly corruption, then that has to be for a greater good.


ANYTHING is better than the present atrocities!


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It has merit, it is similar to the system used by British forces in Malaya and was seen as a success. And wasn't used by the French and Americans in Vietnam, where the Communists ended up running the country.

There is some merit to removing the 'conflict'.

That would also remove the deadly games being pushed by Iran.

The problem with a sliding puzzle is, you need to have sufficient void spaces nearby to temporary shift items that disturb the intended order. Void spaces are scarce and all the sovereign rulers in the Middle East deny to provide just a square foot of theirs to house items from Gaza, even just temporarily. So, this puzzle must be solved in situ with the help of just one tiny void field for each step.

Iran... Dissolving Gaza, making all Gazans millionaires and resettling them in luxury waterfront appartments elsewhere wouldn't stop the Mullah's islamist hate and warmongering. They must be contained, like USSR was.

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It has merit, it is similar to the system used by British forces in Malaya and was seen as a success.

Never heard about the British solving a conflict in Malaya. Thanks for the hint.

so now they seek to erase an idea and their method is to erase a people. sounds a lot like something the world found repugnant about a century ago.

There is some merit to removing the 'conflict'.

That would also remove the deadly games being pushed by Iran.

The problem with a sliding puzzle is, you need to have sufficient void spaces nearby to temporary shift items that disturb the intended order. Void spaces are scarce and all the sovereign rulers in the Middle East deny to provide just a square foot of theirs to house items from Gaza, even just temporarily. So, this puzzle must be solved in situ with the help of just one tiny void field for each step.

Iran... Dissolving Gaza, making all Gazans millionaires and resettling them in luxury waterfront appartments elsewhere wouldn't stop the Mullah's islamist hate and warmongering. They must be contained, like USSR was.

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It has merit, it is similar to the system used by British forces in Malaya and was seen as a success.

Never heard about the British solving a conflict in Malaya. Thanks for the hint.

It was called the "Briggs Plan"

Those lying Israeli Nazi butchers keep on trying to shift the blame on others.

Israel accuses Albanese of telling 'a lie' as a report warns famine is 'playing out' in Gaza.

As their actions say otherwise.

Gaza death toll from Israeli offensive has passed 60,000, Palestinian health ministry says.

While the U.K. follows France's lead.

'Enough was enough': Why France is now taking a stand on Palestinian statehood.

UK could recognise Palestinian state in September, PM Keir Starmer says.

Then there's those protected Israeli settlers terrorists.

Palestinian Awdah Hathaleen who helped make Oscar-winning documentary No Other Land killed in West Bank.

Not to mention those GHF death traps.

The long and dangerous journey into Gaza Humanitarian Foundation aid sites.

As things become deafening at the U.N..

Calls for two-state solution for Israel, Palestinians at UN grow louder.

Quite frankly I reckon that Israel should get hit hard immediately with Russian like sanctions.

While the U.K. follows France's lead.

France wants to do business with Arabs. Macron thinks this cheap move will increase France's reputation within the Middle East. Starmer as well... They are just opportunists.

Macron expressed interests of France (economic relations to Middle East), nothing else. They differ from other countries interests. In passing, he demonstrated again the common EU foreign policy is just a paper tiger. No unity. Europe is weak because of politicians like Macron and Starmer.

Israel's interests are simple: end the threat that Hamas in Gaza represents. I can't see how Macron and Starmer address this legitimate interest.

What exactly does France's recognition of a State of Palestine mean? French money? French development aid? There wasn't sufficient donor's money in Gaza before Oct 7th? French military aid for a Palestinian army? None of this would help to establish a Palestinian state. It will remain pure fiction as long as the Arabs are unwilling to:

1. keep the peace and
   
2. recognize the State of Israel
   

I can't see they are willing to accept just one of the two.

I am sure my German government will soon follow Macrons example. There's now tremendous pressure from the left-wing coalition partner to do so. Just three days ago our Chancellor demanded from Netanyahu in a phone call an immediate ceasefire. He never publicly demanded from Hamas to release the SEVEN remaining Germans still held hostage in Gaza of whom five are assumed to be alive. We prefer to hide this fact from public knowledge; don't address it in the daily news. Jewish Germans aren't "Germans" but Israelis if they also possess an Israeli passport.

As far as I know Hamas released all U.S. hostages due to diplomatic pressure. But our industry needs new export markets, now that we accepted Trump's tariffs. The Middle East produces few products but is wealthy. We also urgently need LNG from Qatar. Just in recent days the Qataris explained in clear words they are not going to adhere to EU supply chain regulations (human rights, sustainability, climate protection...) and threatened to deliver their LNG to countries outside Europe instead.

Thus, we try to force Netanyahu to respect our economic interests. Let's appease the Middle Eastern Arabs for the sake of our common interests. Netanyahu's stubbornness is a nuisance in this regard. We are going to instruct him, threaten him, ---and if unruly---sanction him.

Israel accuses Albanese of telling 'a lie' as a report warns famine is 'playing out' in Gaza.

The famine in Gaza is unique as it is the first one that appears to affect exclusively specific children; evidenced by just a couple of photos of individual children; the most horrible of which depicts a boy with a rare genetic defect, not malnutrition. Gaza's adult population appears to be predominantly affected by a different kind of malnutrition, one that reflects high-calories and much fat. I do not deny that the war destroyed food distribution (e.g. logistics, super markets). It's strenuous for most Gazans to acquire food; conditions are terrible for those displaced within Gaza. But it's obviously a lie that Israel's government is willfully causing a famine. According to International Law, a warring party isn't obliged to supply the enemies' civilian population; even if Mr. Albanese believes this.

Israel is not withholding food supplies or humanitarian aid. Unimaginable quantities are rotting in the open air at the UN logistics hub just across the Kerem Shalom border crossing within Gaza. UNRWA is unable or unwilling to deliver these aid supplies to those in need. The UN are concealing the cause. It is Hamas and all kind of armed thugs, which attack aid transports sent by UN into inhabited areas; loot them or reroute them to their own hidden warehouses (trucks and trailers then disappear as well).

Gaza death toll from Israeli offensive has passed 60,000, Palestinian health ministry says.

It's Hamas who "says". It's Hamas who "counts".

All killed Hamas fighters have been counted as civilian victims, naturally deceased as well. These Hamas numbers aren't an argument any more. They are just propaganda lies created by a terrorist organization. I can't understand why Western journalists still continue to simply publish them; without doubts, without own investigations. There are respected and experienced experts who investigated Hamas health ministry's figures on war victims. It seems more than half of them had been combatants; armed fighters, terrorists; btw. among them adolescents, formally "children" under 18 years. Even that means 25...30,000 dead civilians.

The innocent victims argument needs credibility. Hamas' numbers don't have any.

Unlike some Bernie also knows exactly what Adolf Benji is.

Sanders calls Netanyahu ‘a disgusting liar’ for denying starvation.

Meanwhile Canada joins the pile on.

Carney says Canada plans to recognise a Palestinian state.

And we may now soon follow (and should).

Anthony Albanese now has cover to follow Keir Starmer on Palestinian state.

I keep asking why the side that controls access won't allow AP, UPI or Reuters to cross into the other side to report. You would think they would want confirmation that the other side is all propaganda. As they don't allow it does this mean that the numbers the other side is putting out are in fact truthful? Or are the so firmly convinced that nothing is happening that when reports of things happening come out via independent channels that they have to claim the reports are made under duress?

I keep asking why the side that controls access won't allow AP, UPI or Reuters to cross into the other side to report. You would think they would want confirmation that the other side is all propaganda. As they don't allow it does this mean that the numbers the other side is putting out are in fact truthful? Or are the so firmly convinced that nothing is happening that when reports of things happening come out via independent channels that they have to claim the reports are made under duress?

The best and most credible reporting is that of one's own professionally organized media. Hamas has adhered to this principle from day one.

The U.S. called it 'embedded journalists'. The Israelis lack the knowledge how to dominate public opinion. Therefore, the world's journalists are hungry for every piece of information they can get: and that's mostly Hamas reporting, Hamas media; produced and published by Qatari-funded media outlets, designed to achieve the desired anti-Zionist plot; taken over and spread worldwide by all other countries' journalists.

When Israel or IDF publishes videos, then of blown-up buildings; from ground observers or from grainy pixelated aircraft surveillance... never a good argument, because from the outside, the unbiased viewer can't intuitively see their internal use by Hamas: in rooms, basements, underground.

Israel has already lost the propaganda war long ago; out of stupidity.

[...] won't allow AP, UPI or Reuters to cross into the other side to report. You would think they would want confirmation that the other side is all propaganda.

Btw. they don't need confirmation that AP or Reuters is all propaganda. They already know it because everyone can see it.

[...] reports of things happening come out via independent channels [...]

There are no independent channels left. Even the old, once respected BBC leadership decided to forget about its decades old journalistic principles when it comes to the Middle East conflict. This is a lost cause.

Btw. they don't need confirmation that AP or Reuters is all propaganda. They already know it because everyone can see it.

I would like some specific examples to back up this statement, please.

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[...] won't allow AP, UPI or Reuters to cross into the other side to report. You would think they would want confirmation that the other side is all propaganda.

Btw. they don't need confirmation that AP or Reuters is all propaganda. They already know it because everyone can see it.

Translation, they refuse to publish Hasbara.

Well you just can't stop Israeli Nazis from provocation.

Jewish activists accused of eroding centuries of tradition at Jerusalem's holiest sites.

Meanwhile useless Witkoff returns to check out how well those food traps are going.

US special envoy to visit Gaza, as hospital says dozens killed seeking food.

I would like some specific examples to back up this statement, please.

Me too.

Is this a first, for Arab nations, and could it be a way forward for a two-state solution.
Arab states call on Hamas to disarm and relinquish power in unprecedented move

Is this a first, for Arab nations, and could it be a way forward for a two-state solution.
Arab states call on Hamas to disarm and relinquish power in unprecedented move

Now if you had read any of my links you would've already seen that Hamas has no future at all, so why do you keep harping on about Hamas when we're talking about the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians who have nothing at all to do with Hamas?

Nobody wants Hamas about just as most don't want the current Israeli Nazi government about either as both are nothing but terrorists organisations and the 1st would've have existed without the 2nd.