Instead of gas chambers it's food aid sites these days.

[sarcasm]'Zyklon B' is out of production and in 2012 Germany even dissolved the defunct remaining holding company "I.G. Farben", before WW2 the largest Chemical giant on earth. I.G. Farben produced all required chemicals in the past and holds the relevant patents. It has become increasingly difficult today to obtain reliable, proven chemicals resp. 'pharmaceuticals' for executing people, a fact that has already caused problems for U.S. authorities in those states that use lethal injection as a method of execution. Today's genocidalists are forced to look for alternatives if they don't have an inventive domestic chemical industry.[/sarcasm]

Such horrible incidents must be investigated. But I do not believe a single 'fact' or 'number' from Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry or "Palestinian medics". Unfortunately, it's still Hamas who controls the information sphere in Gaza (...and yes... also because IDF don't permits intl. journalists in their operation zones, for reasons...).

Just an assumption: IDF troops are being fired upon by Hamas terrorists from within the crowd or from near a gathering of people. These terrorists always have plenty of assault rifles, grenades, and RPGs at their disposal. What is a legitimate response to an attack by them? Withdrawing and not confronting them? Who is responsible for civilian casualties? There's war. War is horror. Rules of warfare apply. If civilian casualties when fighting terrorists are morally reprehensible, inacceptable; then terrorists could conquer the whole planet with ease.

The best thing for the people of Gaza is the swift restoration of a regime or occupation force that holds the monopoly on the use of force and refrains from terrorism. Hamas must be removed from Gaza, just as the PLO had to be removed from Lebanon in 1982. Palestinian terrorists are responsible for thousands of Palestinian civilian deaths. A Gaza without terrorists is the first step and the only viable path to peace.

(...and yes... also because IDF don't permits intl. journalists in their operation zones, for reasons...).

The primary being they would report to the world the war crimes.

(...and yes... also because IDF don't permits intl. journalists in their operation zones, for reasons...).

The primary being they would report to the world the war crimes.

No, the primary reason is masses of biased reporters would report about civilian casualties ONLY and blame guilt on IDF ONLY while talking the rest of the day about poor, starved, and oppressed Palestinians. They would hide the presence of brutal, inhumane terrorists and the effects of their reign of terror as they do in Gaza. Hamas terror don't exists in their world view. Or they quietly accept terrorists as an unpleasant, even horrific (shiver...) necessity to achieve the higher goal. From the river to the sea...

Just look at Al Jazeera's reporting, this jewel of independent journalism. The problem is, if you quietly overlook the rule of terrorists you also quietly accept that the same terrorists will control the contents of your reporting. Then you become an accomplice to these terrorists. That's why IDF bars these journalists; a comprehensible but not expedient decision.

What IDF can be blamed for: They didn't achieved to control the information space in this war. They interdict reports from their zone of control. The best you can do to counter the adversaries' propaganda or biased reporting by suppporters of your adversary is to present the truth; the truth about Hamas terrorists, their victims, about terrorist warfare, but also about Palestinian suffering and civilian casualties. And about your own war crimes. There never was a war without; even U.S. troops perpetrated war crimes in every war. When the thin layer of civilization is torn away, which is what war is all about; then it's individuals that exercise deadly power. Some are inapt to restrain and uphold humaneness. Group dynamics... But a liberal democracy must be able to investigate that, to learn and to adjust, and to inform a global public about the truth... just the truth.

So why do major news networks from all around the world report that they're not allowed to report directly from the conflict zone and why is the IDF using "Press" markings as targets?

Quite frankly some people are far too prone and willing to believe Israeli propaganda, and I'll have more to say about that in another thread.

Israel doesn't allow press into the settlements it has created either. They don't because they would report on all the atrocities that the settlers commit on the people who lived there before they were forcibly ejected.

Israel can't exist with the white hot spotlight upon it.

So why do major news networks from all around the world report that they're not allowed to report directly from the conflict zone and why is the IDF using "Press" markings as targets?

Why did the U.S. or their 'coalition forces' did not allow the major news networks to report from e.g. Mossul when they fighted ISIS there (or the Saddams regime in Iraq before), or why did no journalists reported from the Kurdish city of Kobane? (looks not different than Gaza now, btw.)

This is a peculiar question. These are war zones. A military force can't allow civilians into for whom they can't guarantee their physical integrity; how could they guarantee that? Warfare ends previous civil liberties. If you insist on them, don't accept or appease warmongers; they are better stopped (or contained) before war becomes inevitable.

As to "Press" markings: The Hamas press was part of the invasion force into Israel on Oct 7th, as well as local Palestinian so-called "journalists", contracted by international media. These "Press" markings became useless on the day Palestinians stopped to clearly separate military forces from civilians. Hamas members do not wear uniforms in combat, just jeans, t-shirts, and sneakers. But many times they used ambulances as well as vans labeled "press" in the past.

It's a mess there and I do believe that IDF killed many journalists without Hamas affiliation there. But they don't do that deliberately ( (warcrimes can't be ruled out either) whereas all Hamas fighters disguise themselves as civilians. The only occasions they wear their fancy uniforms are parades and hostage exchange ceremonies.

Israel doesn't allow press into the settlements it has created either. They don't because they would report on all the atrocities that the settlers commit on the people who lived there before they were forcibly ejected.

I don't agree on "forcibly ejected". Settlements did not replaced Arab villages; I'd agree to "many excluded from their former grazing lands". The settlements once had a strategic justification. Without strategically located, fortified strongholds Israel can't be defended against a resolute advance by an adversary army from the territory of Jordan or Syria which they learned the hard way in the Yom Kippur War of 1973. This threat is gone, not by Arab reason, but due to the victorious IDF in 1967 (Jordan)/1973 (Syria). Politicians like Netanyahu (a former IDF officer) will never abandon the convictions they gained in wars. His successors hopefully will (and Palestinians hopefully provide required conditions... refrain from terror).

I agree about settler violence: Today, they are a growing (birthrates) political power in Israel that the government can not bypass. Up to the point that government has a blind eye on them exceeding the liberties civilians should have: They can't usurp powers of police or military forces against non-citizens. But Palestinian terrorism will not improve anything in settlements. Instead it confirms advocates of settlements, one of whom is Netanyahu (or in general advocates of Likud party's "Greater Israel" goals: regain all ancient Jewish lands).

Israel can't exist with the white hot spotlight upon it.

It can exist splendidly in the warm Mediterranean sun as they have demonstrated repeatedly and over decades.

But their existence is continuously endangered as long they are in this spotlight. That was the only concept of the Mullah's strategy to destroy them with constant attacks from their terror proxies; all inferior powers, inable to defeat them, but sufficiently capable to keep them constantly in the spotlight; to force international partners to isolate, sanction, or ban Israel. ...and to force governments abroad as well by means of violent rioting Palestine protestors. The financial trail from Qatar surely part of that.

This strategy seems to fail now as well. Israel will leave the 'white hot spotlight'. When? I don't know.

Yet their war crimes tally continues to grow each day with the help of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.

Israeli military kills 23 Palestinians near aid site in Gaza, witnesses and medics say.

Eleven killed by Israeli fire while seeking aid in Gaza, rescuers say.

Israeli forces kill 51 Palestinians waiting for flour at Gaza aid site, witnesses and rescuers say.

It also says a lot about the morals of those that are supporting Adolf Benji and his Nazi butchers.

It also says a lot about the morals of those that are supporting Adolf Benji and his Nazi butchers.

They are "chosen" and thus can do no wrong. That is their morals and ethics.

When Adolf Benji's mouth opens only lies spew out.

Netanyahu denounces report IDF soldiers had orders to shoot Gaza aid-seekers.

Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Israel Katz have rejected a report in left-leaning Israeli daily Haaretz that claimed Israeli soldiers were given orders to shoot at Palestinians approaching aid sites inside Gaza.

More than 500 Palestinians have been killed and hundreds more wounded while seeking food since the newly formed US-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) began distributing aid at four main hubs across the territory about a month ago, according to Gaza's Hamas-controlled health ministry.

Thousands of Palestinians walk for hours to reach the hubs, moving through Israeli military zones where Palestinian witnesses say Israeli troops have opened fire on the aid seekers.

Haaretz quoted unnamed Israeli soldiers as saying they were told to fire at members of the crowds to keep them back, using unnecessary lethal force against people who appeared to pose no threat......

While the disgusting use of the baited traps along with the bombing of tent camps continue to take their toll innocent Palestinians.

Israeli strikes kill at least 72 people in Gaza as prospects for ceasefire in war improve.

More than 500 Palestinians have been killed and hundreds more wounded while seeking food since the newly formed US-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) began distributing aid at four main hubs across the territory about a month ago, according to Gaza's Hamas-controlled health ministry.

What is the interest of Hamas? Continue just with the UNRWA aid monopoly which they fully control. Hamas hijacks and supervises each aid delivery into Gaza. They control the places where goods are stored. Their lifeline after IDF blocked all smuggling routes.

Israel is about to change this status quo which is no longer acceptible as it represents an ongoing terroristic threat for Israel and oppression of Gazans by Hamas. They fight for their power and will do everything to stop all aid which is not organized by UNRWA. I also doubt Israel will be successful without determined Arab governments being part of a solution to gain control of Gaza... to force Hamas out (into exile, like PLO from Lebanon in 1982).

Yep, we know who the real terrorists are.

Israel orders evacuations in northern Gaza as Trump pushes for ceasefire.

Israeli strike on Gaza seafront cafe kills at least 20 Palestinians, witnesses and rescuers say.

As they continue with their B.S. excuses and lies.

Israeli military investigates 'reports of harm to civilians' after hundreds killed near Gaza aid sites.

And then there's those terrorist Israeli settlers.

Israeli settlers attack Palestinians and IDF military vehicles in West Bank.

And it's not just those Nazi Israelis that Palestinians have to worry about as they try to collect meager rations.

Gaza aid contractor tells BBC he saw colleagues fire on hungry Palestinians.

A former security contractor for Gaza's controversial new Israel- and US-backed aid distribution sites has told the BBC that he witnessed colleagues opening fire several times on hungry Palestinians who had posed no threat, including with machine guns.

On one occasion, he said, a guard had opened fire from a watchtower with a machine gun because a group of women, children and elderly people was moving too slowly away from the site.

When asked to respond the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) said the allegations were categorically false.

They referred us to a statement saying that no civilians ever came under fire at the GHF distribution sites........

And that is total B.S..

Sooo...

What is the actual reality?


And beware misinformation designed to spread hate.

Some of the hate stories being published are stretching believability...

The real story is?


One aspect is very clear that the people trapped in Gaza are unwanted by any country, and they themselves are pawns in a very cruel unholy battle.


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Why are all the Islamist deaths in Gaza described as civilian. I don't believe that there are no terrorists deaths.

Therefore, the number of civilian casualties is inflated, deliberately, so that the woke media can create anti-Jewish stories.

Why are all the Islamist deaths in Gaza described as civilian. I don't believe that there are no terrorists deaths.

No matter how Islamist an individual is, unless they go hunting to kill they are not terrorists. They may just be loudmouths.

Why are all the Islamist deaths in Gaza described as civilian. I don't believe that there are no terrorists deaths.

No matter how Islamist an individual is, unless they go hunting to kill they are not terrorists. They may just be loudmouths.

That's true and I expressed this before:

The people of Gaza can do whatever they please. They can indulge in any religious aberration, no matter how bizarre.... brainwash their subjects, teach their children the craziest nonsense about Jews in school, or force their women to wear burqas.

One condition: Stay within the territory you control and harm no one outside.

One condition: Stay within the territory you control and harm no one outside.

Just like the settlements their neighbor places on their land?

One condition: Stay within the territory you control and harm no one outside.

Just like the settlements their neighbor places on their land?

There's no such thing as "their land" in their own country. This requires them to establish a sovereign country first... as it's a sovereign country's government which has the legislative power to define property rights.

It's about Gaza. No settlements in Gaza. The Sharon government removed them in 2005. Sharon also expelled all Jews from their native lands resp. lands their ancestors bought within the Gaza strip long before Israel even existed. History proofed him wrong.

I can't see that there's a sufficiently influential group of "nation-builders" in Gaza or among Palestinians who just understand what it means to establish a sovereign state, what the prerequisites are.

The first of which is: keeping the peace with your neighboring countries. They can't even achieve this with Egypt which why Egypt's government deems it necessary to protects its border with a staggered system of extensive border fortifications. All Palestinians can do is to complain and to threaten: "From the river to the sea...". They mastered their profession, demonstrated it to the world public. But that won't get them anywhere. When will they understand that?

But the settlers in West Bank... To the contrary: The atrocities that Hamas perpetrated against Kibbuzniks in Israel are the most convincing justification for Netanyahu to enlarge, to fortify, to perpetuate, and to establish more settlements in West Bank.