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Just how low will these Israeli war criminals go? Pro-Palestinian activists say their ship was struck by drone fire off Malta's coast. A group of pro-Palestinian activists say their ship has been struck by drone fire in international waters off the coast of Malta.But there's still Karma. Israel calls for international help as wildfires erupt near Jerusalem. Dangerous wildfires have erupted in central Israel, forcing authorities to close major highways and prompting the Israeli Government to ask for international firefighting help. |
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If you want to deliver any good to a Gaza harbour you need peace there first and an internationally negotiated status (e.g. sovereignty of Gaza to control its sea, land and air borders). That's especcially true because Gaza's leaders are stuck in a war with Israel that they started. As long as this precondition isn't met these so-called "activists" are nothing more than warmongers who bring more gazoline to fuel the flames of this conflict. Brainwashed Western young people; ideologic idiots. |
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Adolf Benji and his murderous thieving mob just won't stop the slaughter. More than 90 killed in Gaza strikes including journalist who just became a father. Israeli strikes across Gaza killed at least 92 people, including women, children and two journalists, officials said, as Israel prepared to ramp up its campaign in the strip.Outside Gaza sits 116,000 tonnes of food as people inside run out. Aid groups say people will soon die from hunger as Israel's blockade of food and other aid to Gaza extends into its third month.Yet all rational calls for an end to it get met with B.S. accusations of antisemitism by making those calls and is it any wonder why this is the end effect of Israel's actions? 80 Years After WWII, Seven Largest Jewish Communities Report Unprecedented Global Antisemitism. What Hamas did was totally wrong, but what Israel is now carrying out is a torturous genocide and an excuse to steal more land |
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What Hamas did was totally wrong, but what Israel is now carrying out is a torturous genocide and an excuse to steal more landThere's no genocide. There's a clear internation definition of what a genocide is. As to land theft: Sharon unilaterally ceaded the whole Gaza strip to the Palestinians, expelled 8,000 Jewish inhabitants from their homes within the Gaza strip. It doesn't work out because it doesn't led to peace there. To the opposite; the people of Gaza choose to transform their territory into a terror empire. They brought Hamas to power who immediately abolished the democratic means to ever remove them from power (like their akin Muslim Brother's in Egypt did). Btw. when was the last elections for the leader of the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank? Last what I heard was that Mahmoud Abbas is dealing with influential groups about his own successor. This is a pre-modern society, incompatible to democracy (not different in Egypt, Jordan or UAE btw.). But Palestinians (and Yemenis btw.) still lack the wisdom to renounce international aggression because they are too weak for a victorious outcome. The sovereign Arab countries finally learned it. When will Palestinians? I'd like to see that those politicians from countries, like e.g. Ireland, Spain, Norway, who are most outraged about Israel's government simply spent the time to visit Israel. not a few officials on a one day trip, but a larger team which spents weeks or months to observe the daily status quo in the West Bank, in Jerusalem, talk to Israel's government, not only highest officials but escort government employees who handle this conflict each day, speak to ordinary people in the streets. Then they can think about what they have learned in a couple of months there... and develop their own, realistic, and of course superior plan to solve this conflict. Those who have done so in the past and who spent an enormous amount of their lifetime for it, like e.g. President Clinton, finally resignated with the insight: the representatives of Palestinians aren't ready for peace (for whatever complex reasons). They retreat from negotiations in the last minute before being forced to sign a peace treaty to return to Intifada. All they can agree to, in the end, is to anihilate the State of Israel, this disruption within the Arab sphere which refuses to subjugate to the rules of Quran, that therefore must be wiped off the face of earth. Instead of this constant outrage about Israel, I'd like to see diplomats of neutral countries to present an alternative; a holistic plan to stop the Palestinian aggression and warmongering, prevent civilian deaths, which the Palestinians will agree to. The reality is: no one is interested, neither India, China, nor African countries; Palestinians are unrealiable; unpredictable; there's no diplomatic merit to earn; the most probable outcome is a gigantic waste of time and money. It is known what Israel was willing to agree to in the past (2000 Oslo Accords). So, start with pressuring Palestinians into negotiations. These aren't all immature, underage childs. They bear resposibility for their deeds. But their opinion is unknown because they have no thrustworthy, decent leader whom they could (1) instruct to advocate their interests on the diplomatic stage and (2), the most difficult: respect decisions and outcome of any negotiations afterwards. In the past such problems with violent, pre-modern societies were solved by conquering, colonising or anexing them. It's the ethic dilemma of a democracy which simply can't do that. |
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There's no genocide. There's a clear internation definition of what a genocide is. Amnesty International investigation concludes Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza “Amnesty International’s report demonstrates that Israel has carried out acts prohibited under the Genocide Convention, with the specific intent to destroy Palestinians in Gaza. These acts include killings, causing serious bodily or mental harm and deliberately inflicting on Palestinians in Gaza conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical destruction. Month after month, Israel has treated Palestinians in Gaza as a subhuman group unworthy of human rights and dignity, demonstrating its intent to physically destroy them,” said Agnès Callamard, Secretary General of Amnesty International. ![]() |
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Amnesty International’s False Genocide Claim Amnesty International’s report redefines genocide, invents facts to condemn Israel and ignores facts that exonerate Israel. |
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Amnesty International’s report redefines genocide, invents facts to condemn Israel and ignores facts that exonerate Israel.No facts have to be invented to condemn as there are far too many to reasonably convict while there are no reasonable facts to support exonerating them. Amnesty admits to its bogus genocide definition on page 101, complaining that the actual definition is “overly cramped.” The report also misleadingly edits several Israeli officials’ quotes to “demonstrate” genocidal intent, and ignores numerous others that disprove such intent.Yes that definition needs updating badly for the modern era. Amnesty’s Israel branch has publicly rejected the organization’s genocide conclusion.As is usual for anything coming out of Israel these days. Amnesty’s persistent anti-Israel bias is well-documented. Amnesty USA director Paul O’Brien has stated that Israel “shouldn’t exist as a Jewish state.”And it shouldn't be as it should be a state for all. Amnesty’s report is propaganda concocted to hold Israel to a double standard and deny the Jewish people their right to self-determination.And yet they're the 1's denying the Palestinian people of that same right so there are no double standards (except those done by Israel itself). Anymore defence arguments in the support what is basically a terrorist state run by a lot of crooked, murderous and thieving mob of bigoted fascists? |
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Amnesty International’s False Genocide Claim FDD is an Israel lobbyist "think tank" originally founded with a Hebrew name... it works directly with the Israeli government. Not a very good source. ![]() |
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...and Amnesty clearly is a biased pro-Hamas organization, not a suitable source either. You will never find them to designate Hamas' ruthless warfare as the root cause of numerous Palestinian civilian deaths. Because Hamas are the warriors of noble savages, right? ...fighting 'white conquistadores' who dared to disturb their unfettered, natural existence. How could they act different... against the laws of nature? But they don't use bows and arrows.Amnesty International’s False Genocide ClaimFDD is an Israel lobbyist "think tank" originally founded with a Hebrew name... it works directly with the Israeli government. Not a very good source. I was expecting this argument, yet I chose this FDD article anyway. What can we learn from this? This is precisely what can be observed with many political issues these days. ...and I repeatedly criticized and refuted Al-Jazeera reports here, out of the same reasons. There are hardly any neutral, objective media outlets left that follow the principle of reporting 'just the truth', 'without bias', while adhering to the long-established 'journalistic ethos'. The first generation of young post-WW2 (West) German journalists learned their profession in London at the BBC. They had to, as most German jounalists became Nazi propagandists, ordered to and obeyingly spreading propaganda lies. One of their mentors in the UK whom they often quoted, even decades later, was Charles Wheeler (Sir Selwyn Charles Cornelius-Wheeler CMG); BBC's longest serving foreign correspondent; a legend. One of his axioms he taught young journalists was: A serious journalist maintains a distance from the subject of their study and does not align themselves with a cause—even a good cause. This axiom is forgotten today. You can observe this everywhere, even at the BBC. The facts and a good story--Charles Wheeler's point of view |
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... All 'merely' a deadly game of propaganda in a deadly proxy war of the authorities in Iran avenging their propaganda of history against their invented 'Great Satan' adversary: "The West"... There's nothing like a 'just' cause or 'religion' or a good old war to keep an unpopular authority in power... Instead: Be Excellent to All? Stay safe folks? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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There's the right of self-determination in International Law. In 1948 the Zionists claimed this right for the Jewish people and established the State of Israel on their ancient native territory that on this day didn't belong to any other sovereign country. An Arab aggression and war started the same day which Israel won. The people, not expelled during the war, be it Jews, Christians or Arabs, on the newly established state's territory became citizens of Israel (20% of which are Arabs). The Arab League comprises 22 Arab countries. Why is it that none of these countries is a 'state for all', for Arabs as well as Jews? In 1948 almost a million Jews lived everywhere in muslim-majority Arab countries in the Middle East, the Levante, Maghreb, Egypt... no more. There are still Jewish citizens in Iran, but not in any Arab country. Each such accusations of deficiencies in Israel's statehood should first be cross-checked against the 'deficiencies' of Arab countries. You don't want to subject Israel to double standards, will you?Amnesty’s persistent anti-Israel bias is well-documented. Amnesty USA director Paul O’Brien has stated that Israel “shouldn’t exist as a Jewish state.”And it shouldn't be as it should be a state for all. Why can't there be ONE, single country for the Jewish people on earth who clearly have a distinct religion, language, and culture than every other nation on earth, that they upheld across millenia in the diaspora, expelled from their ancient homelands, and spread across three continents. They claimed their right of self-determination in 1948 to establish a Jewish-majority state. Poles did the same in 1918 (ousting Russian despotism and DE+AT heteronomy), as did the Czech; e.g. Icelanders in 1944; Croats... Slovenians... in 1991... I strongly reject this. It is only the so-called 'Palestinian people', a term btw. that was coined no earlier than 1967 (after another lost war) by the Egyptian Yassir Arafat. Palestinians are just Arabs. There's no common Palestinian identity resp. nationhood. You can't discern them by language, culture, or whatsoever from Arabs in the Levante (Lebanon, coastal Syria) or e.g. in the Sinai or Jordan.Amnesty’s report is propaganda concocted to hold Israel to a double standard and deny the Jewish people their right to self-determination.And yet they're the 1's denying the Palestinian people of that same right so there are no double standards (except those done by Israel itself). Anyway... Israel was willing to accept a Palestinian State. But it's them who repeatedly 'broke off' (not to say 'blew up') a peace process that would have enabled them to establish their own, another 23rd Arab... a "Palestinian" state. These people never commanded a territory to establish a sovereign state within, nor the military power to conquer such under fire. They also lack self-sufficiency (will or can this ever change?), consequently the will for self-determination, thus sovereignty. Then, why do they want to have a Palestinian State separate from Egypt resp. Jordan in the first place? Do they want that? Or have their foreign (Arab and Western) advisors/supporters been telling them so for decades? Reasonable people in such a case would stick to diplomacy and strategic wisdom. Why is there no Palestinian wisdom? Because they are no distinct nation; they lack a patriotic nation-founding elite resp. patriotic convictions. The Arab Ummah stands above any 'Palestinianness', which is why they have been abused for decades by Arab powers. Anymore defence arguments in the support what is basically a terrorist state run by a lot of crooked, murderous and thieving mob of bigoted fascists?False accusations don't need to be justified. But I am certain of one thing: Gaza is the terror nest, you described, oppressed by bigoted, crooked, heinous, and ruthless thieves and murderers, thus, doomed fascists. Unfortunately, it's Israel who has them as neighbors, instead one of the morally superior liberal societies of the West; in which case this conflict wouldn't exist at all, right? |
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... All 'merely' a deadly game of propaganda in a deadly proxy war of the authorities in Iran avenging their propaganda of history against their invented 'Great Satan' adversary: "The West"...That is what I'm curious about for many years now. I can partly understand the "Great Satan" image, given the active U.S. influence in domestic politics in Persia before the Islamic Revolution. But why do they invented the image of the "Little Satan" Israel, at which they concentrate most of their malicious deeds? Is it just because they are incapable to destroy the 'Great Satan' while the 'Little One' is within reach? Or do they believe... or convinced themselves the U.S. government is controlled by Jews, as the Nazis did in their propaganda? They are ethnic Persians after all, an ancient high culture; never had a feud with Jews resp. Jewish Kingdoms in the past, different than e.g. (ancient) Egyptians,... , Romans, ..., British, Arabs. A mystery... There's nothing like a 'just' cause or 'religion' or a good old war to keep an unpopular authority in power...Even this argument doesn't convinces me. Putin obviously needs war to stay in power now. But what is the Mullah's reason or 'just cause' to be the obnoxious eternal pain of liberal Western and (Sunni) Arab nations? |
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What a joke. US confirms plan for private firms to deliver Gaza aid despite UN alarm. The US has confirmed that a new system for providing humanitarian aid to Palestinians in Gaza through private companies is being prepared, as Israel's blockade continues for a third month.Israeli forces close UN-run schools in East Jerusalem. Armed Israeli security forces have forced the closure of three schools run by the UN agency for Palestinian refugees (Unrwa) in Israeli-annexed East Jerusalem.Israeli strikes on Gaza restaurant and market kill 33, health ministry says. At least 33 Palestinians have been killed and dozens wounded in two Israeli strikes on a crowded restaurant and market on the same street in Gaza City, medics and the Hamas-run health ministry say. |
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Let's look at a few examples of religions that are governments.There's the right of self-determination in International Law.Amnesty’s persistent anti-Israel bias is well-documented. Amnesty USA director Paul O’Brien has stated that Israel “shouldn’t exist as a Jewish state.”And it shouldn't be as it should be a state for all. 1) Holy See. In the past it was vast and powerful, today just part of one city 2) Shinto Japan. In the past a vast empire, gone today. 3) Various caliphates, all gone. 4) DPRK with a living god, has nukes and little else 5) Pharaoh, long gone. 6) New world empires, all gone. 7) ... Religions all fail as governments and there should be no place for them on this planet. |
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Religions all fail as governments and there should be no place for them on this planet.Do the Mullahs know... or Taliban? Their system of government appears stable and long-lasting. Well, young people in the big cities protest from time to time (in Iran, surely not in Afghanistan). Never mind.... That also happens in the liberal democracies of the West. Kim-country, Iran, Afghanistan, and soon Syria..., or Venezuela (Socialism is just another form of religion; you just have to firmly believe its theorems)... Why should such theocracies fail? If its 'state religion' convinces sufficiently many; they can exist for a very long time. But back to the topic; the State of Israel isn't a theocracy but a secular state with a multi-denominational population. But its population, resp. its elected government claims the right to decide who belongs to their population, resp. who is entitled to its citizenship. |
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2) Shinto Japan. In the past a vast empire, gone today.Imperial hubris doomed them, not religion. 6) New world empires, all gone.religion? I think climate change as well as imported viral deceases due to European "conquistadores" ended them. |
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They can deny and lie all they like, but facts are facts. UN Security Council urged to 'act now' to 'prevent genocide' in Gaza. The UN Security Council has been urged to "prevent genocide" in Gaza by one of its top aid chiefs, amid reports dozens were killed in the latest Israeli air strikes and humanitarian aid continues to be blocked. |
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The slaughter and land theft continue with no slow down. Israeli military strikes in Gaza kill at least 70 people, including local journalist and his family members. Meanwhile back in the country supporting Adolf Benji's genocide. Ben & Jerry's co-founder Ben Cohen detained in vocal US senate protest about Gaza. |
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Israeli military strikes in Gaza kill at least 70 people, including local journalist and his family members. Israel carried out the latest strikes on the day Palestinians commemorate the "Naqba", when hundreds of thousands of people fled or were forced to flee their hometowns and villages during the 1948 Middle East war that gave birth to the state of Israel, Reuters reported.The State of Israel was founded first; then all of its Arab neighbour countries attacked and started the war. Reversing chronology of historical events means falsifying history. The death of Mr Samour came after air strikes on Tuesday at a hospital in Khan Younis that killed a well-known Palestinian journalist, Hassan Aslih.This biased article solely portrays the Palestinian view. Here is another biased one, covering just the Israeli view: Gaza " In April, the IDF claimed to have killed Eslaih, a member of Hamas’s Khan Yunis Brigade, in a Khan Yunis strike. |
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The State of Israel was founded first;The Arab countries preceded Israel by more than a millennia. If you believe "books" at one point in the past there were no Jews, but there were Arabs. I think that would make them the decedents or filthy invaders. |
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