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Message 2148616 - Posted: 2 May 2025, 9:32:44 UTC

Just how low will these Israeli war criminals go?

Pro-Palestinian activists say their ship was struck by drone fire off Malta's coast.

A group of pro-Palestinian activists say their ship has been struck by drone fire in international waters off the coast of Malta.

The group, the Freedom Flotilla coalition, says its passenger ship, Conscience, was 13 nautical miles east of Malta when it was struck twice in the bow, 20 minutes after midnight local time.

According to the group, the strikes damaged the ship's generator and it was taking on water.

The group says there are 30 activists on board and they have not heard from them for several hours.

Four Australian activists were preparing to board the ship in Malta and journey to Gaza, which remains under an Israeli blockade, with food, medical supplies and others......
But there's still Karma.

Israel calls for international help as wildfires erupt near Jerusalem.

Dangerous wildfires have erupted in central Israel, forcing authorities to close major highways and prompting the Israeli Government to ask for international firefighting help.

Dry and windy conditions fanned the flames, threatening communities about 25 kilometres west of Jerusalem and blanketing much of central Israel in smoke.

Video shared on social media showed the fire raging along the edges of Highway 1, which connects Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, leaving motorists little choice but to abandon their cars and run for their lives......
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Message 2148622 - Posted: 2 May 2025, 11:13:42 UTC

If you want to deliver any good to a Gaza harbour you need peace there first and an internationally negotiated status (e.g. sovereignty of Gaza to control its sea, land and air borders). That's especcially true because Gaza's leaders are stuck in a war with Israel that they started.

As long as this precondition isn't met these so-called "activists" are nothing more than warmongers who bring more gazoline to fuel the flames of this conflict. Brainwashed Western young people; ideologic idiots.
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Message 2148779 - Posted: 8 May 2025, 0:08:15 UTC
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Adolf Benji and his murderous thieving mob just won't stop the slaughter.

More than 90 killed in Gaza strikes including journalist who just became a father.

Israeli strikes across Gaza killed at least 92 people, including women, children and two journalists, officials said, as Israel prepared to ramp up its campaign in the strip.

Two Israeli air strikes on Wednesday, local time, targeted an area in central Gaza, killing at least 33 people and injuring 86, including several children, although the actual death toll was likely higher, according to health officials.

The Israeli military had no immediate comment on the strikes.

This came as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said there was "doubt" about the survival of three hostages previously believed alive in Gaza.

The statement came a day after US President Donald Trump said only 21 of 24 hostages believed alive had survived.

The news sent families of remaining captives in Gaza into panic........
Outside Gaza sits 116,000 tonnes of food as people inside run out.

Aid groups say people will soon die from hunger as Israel's blockade of food and other aid to Gaza extends into its third month.

Israel stopped allowing any supplies, including food and medicine, into Gaza on March 2 in a bid to pressure the militant group Hamas into releasing Israeli hostages.

Now, community kitchens that have been feeding hundreds of thousands of Gazans are about to close because they have run out of supplies.......
Yet all rational calls for an end to it get met with B.S. accusations of antisemitism by making those calls and is it any wonder why this is the end effect of Israel's actions?

80 Years After WWII, Seven Largest Jewish Communities Report Unprecedented Global Antisemitism.

What Hamas did was totally wrong, but what Israel is now carrying out is a torturous genocide and an excuse to steal more land
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Message 2148795 - Posted: 8 May 2025, 14:19:35 UTC - in response to Message 2148779.  
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What Hamas did was totally wrong, but what Israel is now carrying out is a torturous genocide and an excuse to steal more land
There's no genocide. There's a clear internation definition of what a genocide is.

As to land theft: Sharon unilaterally ceaded the whole Gaza strip to the Palestinians, expelled 8,000 Jewish inhabitants from their homes within the Gaza strip. It doesn't work out because it doesn't led to peace there. To the opposite; the people of Gaza choose to transform their territory into a terror empire. They brought Hamas to power who immediately abolished the democratic means to ever remove them from power (like their akin Muslim Brother's in Egypt did). Btw. when was the last elections for the leader of the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank? Last what I heard was that Mahmoud Abbas is dealing with influential groups about his own successor. This is a pre-modern society, incompatible to democracy (not different in Egypt, Jordan or UAE btw.). But Palestinians (and Yemenis btw.) still lack the wisdom to renounce international aggression because they are too weak for a victorious outcome. The sovereign Arab countries finally learned it. When will Palestinians?

I'd like to see that those politicians from countries, like e.g. Ireland, Spain, Norway, who are most outraged about Israel's government simply spent the time to visit Israel. not a few officials on a one day trip, but a larger team which spents weeks or months to observe the daily status quo in the West Bank, in Jerusalem, talk to Israel's government, not only highest officials but escort government employees who handle this conflict each day, speak to ordinary people in the streets. Then they can think about what they have learned in a couple of months there... and develop their own, realistic, and of course superior plan to solve this conflict.

Those who have done so in the past and who spent an enormous amount of their lifetime for it, like e.g. President Clinton, finally resignated with the insight: the representatives of Palestinians aren't ready for peace (for whatever complex reasons). They retreat from negotiations in the last minute before being forced to sign a peace treaty to return to Intifada. All they can agree to, in the end, is to anihilate the State of Israel, this disruption within the Arab sphere which refuses to subjugate to the rules of Quran, that therefore must be wiped off the face of earth.

Instead of this constant outrage about Israel, I'd like to see diplomats of neutral countries to present an alternative; a holistic plan to stop the Palestinian aggression and warmongering, prevent civilian deaths, which the Palestinians will agree to. The reality is: no one is interested, neither India, China, nor African countries; Palestinians are unrealiable; unpredictable; there's no diplomatic merit to earn; the most probable outcome is a gigantic waste of time and money.

It is known what Israel was willing to agree to in the past (2000 Oslo Accords). So, start with pressuring Palestinians into negotiations. These aren't all immature, underage childs. They bear resposibility for their deeds. But their opinion is unknown because they have no thrustworthy, decent leader whom they could (1) instruct to advocate their interests on the diplomatic stage and (2), the most difficult: respect decisions and outcome of any negotiations afterwards.

In the past such problems with violent, pre-modern societies were solved by conquering, colonising or anexing them. It's the ethic dilemma of a democracy which simply can't do that.
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Message 2148797 - Posted: 8 May 2025, 15:38:06 UTC - in response to Message 2148795.  
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There's no genocide. There's a clear internation definition of what a genocide is.


Amnesty International investigation concludes Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza

“Amnesty International’s report demonstrates that Israel has carried out acts prohibited under the Genocide Convention, with the specific intent to destroy Palestinians in Gaza. These acts include killings, causing serious bodily or mental harm and deliberately inflicting on Palestinians in Gaza conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical destruction. Month after month, Israel has treated Palestinians in Gaza as a subhuman group unworthy of human rights and dignity, demonstrating its intent to physically destroy them,” said Agnès Callamard, Secretary General of Amnesty International.

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Message 2148809 - Posted: 9 May 2025, 0:53:14 UTC

Amnesty International’s False Genocide Claim

Amnesty International’s report redefines genocide, invents facts to condemn Israel and ignores facts that exonerate Israel.

Amnesty admits to its bogus genocide definition on page 101, complaining that the actual definition is “overly cramped.” The report also misleadingly edits several Israeli officials’ quotes to “demonstrate” genocidal intent, and ignores numerous others that disprove such intent.

Amnesty’s Israel branch has publicly rejected the organization’s genocide conclusion. Several branch members accused the report’s authors of reaching “predetermined conclusions” in a manner “that is not typical of other Amnesty International investigations” and is “motivated by a desire to support a popular narrative among Amnesty International’s target audience.”

Amnesty’s persistent anti-Israel bias is well-documented. Amnesty USA director Paul O’Brien has stated that Israel “shouldn’t exist as a Jewish state.” He has evidently made no such comments about the 23 countries that declare Islam their state religion. Amnesty’s report is propaganda concocted to hold Israel to a double standard and deny the Jewish people their right to self-determination.
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Message 2148810 - Posted: 9 May 2025, 2:41:21 UTC

Amnesty International’s report redefines genocide, invents facts to condemn Israel and ignores facts that exonerate Israel.
No facts have to be invented to condemn as there are far too many to reasonably convict while there are no reasonable facts to support exonerating them.
Amnesty admits to its bogus genocide definition on page 101, complaining that the actual definition is “overly cramped.” The report also misleadingly edits several Israeli officials’ quotes to “demonstrate” genocidal intent, and ignores numerous others that disprove such intent.
Yes that definition needs updating badly for the modern era.
Amnesty’s Israel branch has publicly rejected the organization’s genocide conclusion.
As is usual for anything coming out of Israel these days.
Amnesty’s persistent anti-Israel bias is well-documented. Amnesty USA director Paul O’Brien has stated that Israel “shouldn’t exist as a Jewish state.”
And it shouldn't be as it should be a state for all.
Amnesty’s report is propaganda concocted to hold Israel to a double standard and deny the Jewish people their right to self-determination.
And yet they're the 1's denying the Palestinian people of that same right so there are no double standards (except those done by Israel itself).

Anymore defence arguments in the support what is basically a terrorist state run by a lot of crooked, murderous and thieving mob of bigoted fascists?
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Message 2148811 - Posted: 9 May 2025, 3:10:49 UTC - in response to Message 2148809.  
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Amnesty International’s False Genocide Claim


FDD is an Israel lobbyist "think tank" originally founded with a Hebrew name... it works directly with the Israeli government. Not a very good source.
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Message 2148819 - Posted: 9 May 2025, 10:51:34 UTC - in response to Message 2148811.  

Amnesty International’s False Genocide Claim
FDD is an Israel lobbyist "think tank" originally founded with a Hebrew name... it works directly with the Israeli government. Not a very good source.
...and Amnesty clearly is a biased pro-Hamas organization, not a suitable source either. You will never find them to designate Hamas' ruthless warfare as the root cause of numerous Palestinian civilian deaths. Because Hamas are the warriors of noble savages, right? ...fighting 'white conquistadores' who dared to disturb their unfettered, natural existence. How could they act different... against the laws of nature? But they don't use bows and arrows.

I was expecting this argument, yet I chose this FDD article anyway.

What can we learn from this? This is precisely what can be observed with many political issues these days. ...and I repeatedly criticized and refuted Al-Jazeera reports here, out of the same reasons. There are hardly any neutral, objective media outlets left that follow the principle of reporting 'just the truth', 'without bias', while adhering to the long-established 'journalistic ethos'.

The first generation of young post-WW2 (West) German journalists learned their profession in London at the BBC. They had to, as most German jounalists became Nazi propagandists, ordered to and obeyingly spreading propaganda lies. One of their mentors in the UK whom they often quoted, even decades later, was Charles Wheeler (Sir Selwyn Charles Cornelius-Wheeler CMG); BBC's longest serving foreign correspondent; a legend.

One of his axioms he taught young journalists was:
A serious journalist maintains a distance from the subject of their study and does not align themselves with a cause—even a good cause.

This axiom is forgotten today. You can observe this everywhere, even at the BBC.

The facts and a good story--Charles Wheeler's point of view
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Message 2148820 - Posted: 9 May 2025, 11:19:05 UTC

... All 'merely' a deadly game of propaganda in a deadly proxy war of the authorities in Iran avenging their propaganda of history against their invented 'Great Satan' adversary: "The West"...

There's nothing like a 'just' cause or 'religion' or a good old war to keep an unpopular authority in power...


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Message 2148824 - Posted: 9 May 2025, 13:19:35 UTC - in response to Message 2148810.  

Amnesty’s persistent anti-Israel bias is well-documented. Amnesty USA director Paul O’Brien has stated that Israel “shouldn’t exist as a Jewish state.”
And it shouldn't be as it should be a state for all.
There's the right of self-determination in International Law. In 1948 the Zionists claimed this right for the Jewish people and established the State of Israel on their ancient native territory that on this day didn't belong to any other sovereign country. An Arab aggression and war started the same day which Israel won. The people, not expelled during the war, be it Jews, Christians or Arabs, on the newly established state's territory became citizens of Israel (20% of which are Arabs). The Arab League comprises 22 Arab countries. Why is it that none of these countries is a 'state for all', for Arabs as well as Jews? In 1948 almost a million Jews lived everywhere in muslim-majority Arab countries in the Middle East, the Levante, Maghreb, Egypt... no more. There are still Jewish citizens in Iran, but not in any Arab country. Each such accusations of deficiencies in Israel's statehood should first be cross-checked against the 'deficiencies' of Arab countries. You don't want to subject Israel to double standards, will you?

Why can't there be ONE, single country for the Jewish people on earth who clearly have a distinct religion, language, and culture than every other nation on earth, that they upheld across millenia in the diaspora, expelled from their ancient homelands, and spread across three continents. They claimed their right of self-determination in 1948 to establish a Jewish-majority state. Poles did the same in 1918 (ousting Russian despotism and DE+AT heteronomy), as did the Czech; e.g. Icelanders in 1944; Croats... Slovenians... in 1991...

Amnesty’s report is propaganda concocted to hold Israel to a double standard and deny the Jewish people their right to self-determination.
And yet they're the 1's denying the Palestinian people of that same right so there are no double standards (except those done by Israel itself).
I strongly reject this. It is only the so-called 'Palestinian people', a term btw. that was coined no earlier than 1967 (after another lost war) by the Egyptian Yassir Arafat. Palestinians are just Arabs. There's no common Palestinian identity resp. nationhood. You can't discern them by language, culture, or whatsoever from Arabs in the Levante (Lebanon, coastal Syria) or e.g. in the Sinai or Jordan.

Anyway... Israel was willing to accept a Palestinian State. But it's them who repeatedly 'broke off' (not to say 'blew up') a peace process that would have enabled them to establish their own, another 23rd Arab... a "Palestinian" state. These people never commanded a territory to establish a sovereign state within, nor the military power to conquer such under fire. They also lack self-sufficiency (will or can this ever change?), consequently the will for self-determination, thus sovereignty. Then, why do they want to have a Palestinian State separate from Egypt resp. Jordan in the first place? Do they want that? Or have their foreign (Arab and Western) advisors/supporters been telling them so for decades?

Reasonable people in such a case would stick to diplomacy and strategic wisdom. Why is there no Palestinian wisdom? Because they are no distinct nation; they lack a patriotic nation-founding elite resp. patriotic convictions. The Arab Ummah stands above any 'Palestinianness', which is why they have been abused for decades by Arab powers.

Anymore defence arguments in the support what is basically a terrorist state run by a lot of crooked, murderous and thieving mob of bigoted fascists?
False accusations don't need to be justified. But I am certain of one thing: Gaza is the terror nest, you described, oppressed by bigoted, crooked, heinous, and ruthless thieves and murderers, thus, doomed fascists. Unfortunately, it's Israel who has them as neighbors, instead one of the morally superior liberal societies of the West; in which case this conflict wouldn't exist at all, right?
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Message 2148826 - Posted: 9 May 2025, 13:51:50 UTC - in response to Message 2148820.  

... All 'merely' a deadly game of propaganda in a deadly proxy war of the authorities in Iran avenging their propaganda of history against their invented 'Great Satan' adversary: "The West"...
That is what I'm curious about for many years now. I can partly understand the "Great Satan" image, given the active U.S. influence in domestic politics in Persia before the Islamic Revolution. But why do they invented the image of the "Little Satan" Israel, at which they concentrate most of their malicious deeds? Is it just because they are incapable to destroy the 'Great Satan' while the 'Little One' is within reach? Or do they believe... or convinced themselves the U.S. government is controlled by Jews, as the Nazis did in their propaganda? They are ethnic Persians after all, an ancient high culture; never had a feud with Jews resp. Jewish Kingdoms in the past, different than e.g. (ancient) Egyptians,... , Romans, ..., British, Arabs. A mystery...

There's nothing like a 'just' cause or 'religion' or a good old war to keep an unpopular authority in power...
Even this argument doesn't convinces me. Putin obviously needs war to stay in power now.

But what is the Mullah's reason or 'just cause' to be the obnoxious eternal pain of liberal Western and (Sunni) Arab nations?
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Message 2148840 - Posted: 9 May 2025, 22:51:18 UTC

What a joke.

US confirms plan for private firms to deliver Gaza aid despite UN alarm.

The US has confirmed that a new system for providing humanitarian aid to Palestinians in Gaza through private companies is being prepared, as Israel's blockade continues for a third month.

US ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee said "distribution centres" protected by security contractors would provide food and other supplies to over a million people initially, as part of an effort to prevent Hamas stealing aid.

He denied Israel would take part in aid delivery or distribution, but said its forces would secure the centres' perimeters.

It comes as details emerged about the controversial plan, which UN agencies have reiterated they will not co-operate with because it appears to "weaponize" aid.....
Israeli forces close UN-run schools in East Jerusalem.

Armed Israeli security forces have forced the closure of three schools run by the UN agency for Palestinian refugees (Unrwa) in Israeli-annexed East Jerusalem.

Hundreds of Palestinian students were sent home from the schools in Shuafat refugee camp just after classes began on Thursday morning.

Unrwa's Commissioner-General, Philippe Lazzarini, said Israeli authorities were denying children their basic right to learn and accused them of a "blatant disregard of international law".,,,,,,,
Israeli strikes on Gaza restaurant and market kill 33, health ministry says.

At least 33 Palestinians have been killed and dozens wounded in two Israeli strikes on a crowded restaurant and market on the same street in Gaza City, medics and the Hamas-run health ministry say.

Graphic videos posted on social media showed bodies slumped at tables the Thailandy restaurant, in the northern Rimal neighbourhood, which was also operating as a community kitchen.

Footage from the nearby marketplace showed a small child with a rucksack lying dead in the street.

The Israeli military said it was looking into the reports.

Earlier, hospitals said at least 59 people had been killed in attacks since Tuesday night, most of them at two schools serving as shelters for displaced families......
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Message 2148841 - Posted: 9 May 2025, 22:59:36 UTC - in response to Message 2148824.  

Amnesty’s persistent anti-Israel bias is well-documented. Amnesty USA director Paul O’Brien has stated that Israel “shouldn’t exist as a Jewish state.”
And it shouldn't be as it should be a state for all.
There's the right of self-determination in International Law.
Let's look at a few examples of religions that are governments.
1) Holy See. In the past it was vast and powerful, today just part of one city
2) Shinto Japan. In the past a vast empire, gone today.
3) Various caliphates, all gone.
4) DPRK with a living god, has nukes and little else
5) Pharaoh, long gone.
6) New world empires, all gone.
7) ...

Religions all fail as governments and there should be no place for them on this planet.
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Message 2148882 - Posted: 11 May 2025, 21:15:24 UTC - in response to Message 2148841.  
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Religions all fail as governments and there should be no place for them on this planet.
Do the Mullahs know... or Taliban?

Their system of government appears stable and long-lasting. Well, young people in the big cities protest from time to time (in Iran, surely not in Afghanistan). Never mind.... That also happens in the liberal democracies of the West. Kim-country, Iran, Afghanistan, and soon Syria..., or Venezuela (Socialism is just another form of religion; you just have to firmly believe its theorems)...

Why should such theocracies fail? If its 'state religion' convinces sufficiently many; they can exist for a very long time.

But back to the topic; the State of Israel isn't a theocracy but a secular state with a multi-denominational population. But its population, resp. its elected government claims the right to decide who belongs to their population, resp. who is entitled to its citizenship.
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Message 2148883 - Posted: 11 May 2025, 21:33:34 UTC - in response to Message 2148841.  
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2) Shinto Japan. In the past a vast empire, gone today.
Imperial hubris doomed them, not religion.

6) New world empires, all gone.
religion? I think climate change as well as imported viral deceases due to European "conquistadores" ended them.
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Message 2148969 - Posted: 14 May 2025, 20:38:46 UTC

They can deny and lie all they like, but facts are facts.

UN Security Council urged to 'act now' to 'prevent genocide' in Gaza.

The UN Security Council has been urged to "prevent genocide" in Gaza by one of its top aid chiefs, amid reports dozens were killed in the latest Israeli air strikes and humanitarian aid continues to be blocked.

In an emotional address to the council in New York, Tom Fletcher, head of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, accused Israel of "deliberately" and "unashamedly" imposing inhumane conditions on civilians in Gaza — something which Israel denies.......
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Message 2149006 - Posted: 15 May 2025, 22:33:43 UTC - in response to Message 2148999.  
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Israeli military strikes in Gaza kill at least 70 people, including local journalist and his family members.
Israel carried out the latest strikes on the day Palestinians commemorate the "Naqba", when hundreds of thousands of people fled or were forced to flee their hometowns and villages during the 1948 Middle East war that gave birth to the state of Israel, Reuters reported.
The State of Israel was founded first; then all of its Arab neighbour countries attacked and started the war. Reversing chronology of historical events means falsifying history.

The death of Mr Samour came after air strikes on Tuesday at a hospital in Khan Younis that killed a well-known Palestinian journalist, Hassan Aslih.
This biased article solely portrays the Palestinian view.

Here is another biased one, covering just the Israeli view:

Gaza "journalist" [terrorist] who documented Oct. 7 massacre killed in IDF strike

In April, the IDF claimed to have killed Eslaih, a member of Hamas’s Khan Yunis Brigade, in a Khan Yunis strike.

Eslaih, who was previously employed by both CNN and the Associated Press (AP) and owned a media company, took part in the October 7 massacre, infiltrating southern Israel and sharing footage from the massacre to social media, the IDF noted.

In 2024, a photo surfaced of former Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar kissing Eslaih, and both news outlets that employed Eslaih claimed to have fired him immediately.

Shortly after, the parents of five victims of the Nova music festival attack filed a civil suit for damages against AP and Reuters for employing and utilizing photojournalists involved with terrorist organizations, naming Eslaih in the suit.

The lawsuit alleged that the journalists' filing photographs in real time during the Hamas attacks made them a component of the attacks and, therefore, they were not conducting legitimate journalistic work.
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Message 2149011 - Posted: 16 May 2025, 0:56:08 UTC - in response to Message 2149006.  

The State of Israel was founded first;
The Arab countries preceded Israel by more than a millennia.

If you believe "books" at one point in the past there were no Jews, but there were Arabs. I think that would make them the decedents or filthy invaders.
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