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Message 2144206 - Posted: 18 Dec 2024, 20:46:44 UTC - in response to Message 2144198.  

Sorry for misreading the intent.

An "Oxford Comma", or a colon, is needed to clear the ambiguity!


Meanwhile, there are some very fluid Politics all across that region...

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Message 2144212 - Posted: 19 Dec 2024, 0:12:56 UTC - in response to Message 2144206.  

An "Oxford Comma", or a colon, is needed to clear the ambiguity!
Thanks for explaining that. I didn't knew this comma even has a separate name. Now, I also understand why it's often missing in newspaper articles... because Brits omit it sometimes. In German, we never use such a comma after the second to last term of a list.
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Message 2144226 - Posted: 19 Dec 2024, 5:45:36 UTC - in response to Message 2144192.  

What is urgently needed is a government for Syria that respects the rights of all inhabitants,
which will be impossible with an occupying foreign army on its lands.
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Message 2144235 - Posted: 19 Dec 2024, 12:24:09 UTC - in response to Message 2144226.  
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What is urgently needed is a government for Syria that respects the rights of all inhabitants,
which will be impossible with an occupying foreign army on its lands.
Armies! ... Plural.

It's is the occupying foreign armies controlled by Presidents Biden, Erdogan, Putin... ah and this Iranian PM Pezeshkian too. Why did Biden and Erdogan occupied large territories in Syria? It is not for 'land theft'.

Israel recently just seized the UNDOF buffer zone (80 kilometers long, 0.5 to 10 km wide). That is 235 km² (square kilometers) of Syria. The Turkish army occupied 8,835 km² of Syria since 2016 and was heavily fighting Islamic State and Kurdish rebels for years there with tanks and artillery. The US Air Force carried out hundreds of air strikes. Of course, there were a large number of civilian casualties there, too.

Why is Israel depicted as the 'evil' occupant in Syria? The IDF seized the demilitarized UNDOF buffer zone in Syria, without a fight, without any victims; closely coordinating military ops with the local Druze population. The Turkish Army occupied a multiple of territories (compared to Israel)... yes, to push away IS lunatics from their borders, to free Syrian population enslaved by IS; but also to expel the Syrian opponents of IS, the so called 'Syrian Democratic Forces' because they are Kurdish; thus arch enemies of Turkiye. It is an intangible mess there.

The world public simply don't cares, because Jews are not part of these battles. Turks are Muslims... as are the Kurds... and isn't it that Muslims kill each other all the time... that's a commonplace which is met with worldwide indifference... with a shrug. There are Kurdish towns in Syria near the Turkish border (e.g. Kobane) which look like Gaza now after they have been leveled by Islamic State's terrorists and after that by the Turkish army.

It is not Israeli occupation which disturbes the peace in Syria or the wider Middle East. It is religious fanatism by Sunni Islamists of ISIS and by the Shia Mullahs and all their terrorist armies in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen.
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Message 2144243 - Posted: 19 Dec 2024, 15:55:03 UTC

To those that think the occupation of the Golan Heights is a land grab, go and find your local friendly military expert and ask them what they would do if they found the heights undefended.

It is a purely defensive move and would be a stupidly suicidal decision not to occupy this high ground, no matter which side, Israeli or Syrian, takes it.
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Message 2144293 - Posted: 21 Dec 2024, 2:41:06 UTC

Oh yes those Nazi Israelis are angels.

How life in the West Bank has become brutal and unpredictable after Oct. 7.

Angels from hell.
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Message 2144496 - Posted: 27 Dec 2024, 15:02:04 UTC

Is this where Israel has exposed the reality of pandering to apologists?


Syria latest: Israel tightens control on ‘narrow buffer zone’ after Houthi threats


Being at the wrong end of 200 thousand rockets is a very sad and stark reality.


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Message 2144510 - Posted: 27 Dec 2024, 19:33:50 UTC

As the genocide continues reporters and hospitals are still being targeted by Adolf Benji and his Nazi butchers.

Five Gaza journalists killed in Israeli strike targeting armed group.

Israel forcibly evacuates Kamal Adwan hospital in northern Gaza.

While they continue to block humanitarian aid to the strip.
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Message 2144532 - Posted: 28 Dec 2024, 12:59:54 UTC
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There's some very strange reporting about the Kamal Adwan hospital in Northern Gaza...


The reports list only medical staff and patients and the destruction wrought by Israel.

Yet...

The details of the Israeli attacks, and the time taken, are more typical of a bloody battle to enter a strongly held and deadly defended fortress.

Is this where the Hamas use of the word "Hospital" has many meanings?

Why else has it taken Israel so very long merely to walk into a welcoming hospital?


All in a very strange war?

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Message 2144548 - Posted: 28 Dec 2024, 17:24:13 UTC - in response to Message 2144532.  

Why else has it taken Israel so very long merely to walk into a welcoming hospital?
Because their reputation preceded them?
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Message 2144565 - Posted: 28 Dec 2024, 21:58:36 UTC
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A conservative US media reports about the Kamal Adwan Hospital, citing Israeli government sources. Therefore, with reasonable certainty, we can ignore this report as 'misleading propaganda'. The only trustworthy source on hospitals in Gaza is the Hamas-led Health Ministry, which why it is regularly quoted by most Western media.

Gaza Hospital Boss Admits He’s a Hamas Commander, Used Medical Facility as Terror Base

Ahmed al-Kahlout, the manager of the Kamal Adnan Hospital in northern Gaza, admitted during an interrogation with Israeli security forces that Hamas used the medical facilities to advance its military operations.

"I know 16 employees in the hospital - doctors, nurses, paramedics and clerks - who also have different positions in the Qassam Brigades," [...] "They [Hamas] hide in hospitals because, for them, a hospital is a safe place."

“[...] Hamas has offices inside the hospitals. There are places for senior officials, they also brought a kidnapped soldier there. There is a designated place for interrogations, internal security, and special forces. Everyone has private phone lines inside the hospital,” Kahlout added.

In November, the IDF released footage reportedly from the al-Shifa Hospital complex, the largest in the Gaza Strip, exposing a tunnel system built by Hamas.

Two separate videos showed a fortified spiral staircase leading down several meters into the ground around the complex. The IDF argues the tunnel runs ten meters beneath the medical facilities, which also features a blast-proof door with a built-in firing hole.

The New York Times later verified that the videos were recorded at al-Shifa Hospital.
The New York Post, another untrustworthy conservative source, reported about 70 suspected Hamas terrorists from the Kamal Adwan Hospital who surrendered, dropping off their assault rifles (photos).
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Message 2144567 - Posted: 28 Dec 2024, 22:25:17 UTC - in response to Message 2144565.  

Ahmed al-Kahlout, the manager of the Kamal Adnan Hospital in northern Gaza, admitted during an interrogation** with Israeli security forces

**After multiple lengthy waterboarding sessions
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Message 2144570 - Posted: 28 Dec 2024, 22:45:46 UTC - in response to Message 2144510.  

Five Gaza journalists killed in Israeli strike targeting armed group.
in the same article:
The BBC has not been able to verify claims made by either side [...]

[...] (IDF) said it had targeted "Islamic Jihad operatives posing as journalists" [...]

The Israeli military named the five killed as Ibrahim Jamal Ibrahim Al-Sheikh Ali; Faisal Abdallah Muhammad Abu Qamsan; Mohammed Ayad Khamis al-Ladaa; Ayman Nihad Abd Alrahman Jadi; and Fadi Ihab Muhammad Ramadan Hassouna.

It said "intelligence from multiple sources confirmed" that all were PIJ [Islamic Jihad] operatives, and that a list found [...] in Gaza "explicitly identified four" of them as such.
The usual closing statement is not wrong... but does it reflect the known facts sufficiently? What about the number of IDF soldiers killed in Gaza? Seems they are as irrelevant as the number of Hamas and PIJ fighters among the 45,000.

More than 45,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel's offensive, Gaza's health ministry says.
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Message 2144571 - Posted: 28 Dec 2024, 23:25:41 UTC - in response to Message 2144567.  

Ahmed al-Kahlout, the manager of the Kamal Adnan Hospital in northern Gaza, admitted during an interrogation** with Israeli security forces
**After multiple lengthy waterboarding sessions
As with: How did this supposed Hamas operative became a trustworthy source for the global media? His background was thouroughly examined? Not. What then constitutes a credible source? It's simply 'A good story', which adheres to the media outlets' self-conception of: Who are 'The Good'; who 'The Bad' (and who 'The Ugly'). *

Kahlout has been quoted extensively across global media outlets, including Reuters, NBC News, and Al Jazeera, in recent weeks as a reliable source opining on the state of Gaza’s medical infrastructure.
[*] Btw.: "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly", a classic spaghetti Western... as credibly depicting the American Frontier as any John Wayne movie.
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Message 2144805 - Posted: 4 Jan 2025, 11:19:40 UTC

IDF keeping the western world safe again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hhU574_Tpw

Codenamed “Deep Layer” by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF), the compound sits 70-130 metres underground and is almost impossible to destroy from the air.
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It was a “flagship project” for Iran’s efforts to arm Hezbollah on Israel’s northern border, according to the IDF, which revealed the first footage of the operation on Thursday night.
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The operation - which was seven years in the making – is considered one of the most complex in Israel’s history, with 21 fighter jets, 14 transportation planes, five drones and six helicopters taking part in the raid.

“This was one of the most important preventive operations that we have taken against the efforts of the Iranian axis to arm itself in order to attack us; it attests to our boldness and determination to take action everywhere to defend ourselves,” Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, said as the mission was revealed on Thursday.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/01/03/idf-commandos-raid-iran-funded-weapons-factory-syria/
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Message 2144841 - Posted: 5 Jan 2025, 13:21:12 UTC
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And so this is 2025. And what have we (the rich affluent prosperous richly developed West) done?...

So... So far...


This is looking like Israel has survived another "1967 3-day war" waged against it by Iran and Russia and the very heavily armed (ridiculous many thousands of rockets!) mafia groups of Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthi, and a languid Assad regime.

All at very great cost and civilian despair all round. Especially so for the deliberately traumatic kidnapping and painfully grotesque torture of over a thousand Israeli young people. Totally hateful.

There is another hostage video that has been purposefully released to stir yet more distress and hatred. Simple pure evil. (Can't be shown on these forums. )


Can the Arab world come around to peacefully be at peace with other religions and other people?

Or is it a forever war of Mafioso thuggery and despair?


All whilst we in the West blindly watch, mute?

We've pulled ourselves off Russia's gas... How soon can we extract ourselves from the deadly mess that is Arab oil?


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Message 2144946 - Posted: 7 Jan 2025, 17:46:53 UTC - in response to Message 2144841.  
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Can the Arab world come around to peacefully be at peace with other religions and other people?
Most of the Arab world already has. That is, its leaders and governments finally accepted the existence of the state of Israel, with which some even cooperate, while still not publicly admitting it. So, supposedly it takes them another two decades to publicly question wrong policies of the past (e.g. "Three Noes") and reeducate their citizens. And we have to teach our own citizens with Arab origin. That's the more urgent and more difficult task than it is e.g. for Saudi's King or UAE's Emirs. The non-Arab Mullahs... hopeless.

We've pulled ourselves off Russia's gas... How soon can we extract ourselves from the deadly mess that is Arab oil?
I'm not well informed, but I thought at least the U.S. already have... due to sufficient domestic production from unconventional oil resources (shale oil). I also don't think that Arab oil or gas is still a 'deadly mess', e.g. endangering Israel's existence, or the West's economies as it was back then (1973 and 1979 oil crisis).

But Europe still imports lots of Russian gas via Turkiye and the two Black Sea pipelines BlueStream and TurkStream. There never was an import ban on Russian gas agreed on by EU members as some (AT, DE, HU, SK, BG, RO, ???) rejected all such proposals. Also Russian LNG and oil is still covertly siphoned and relabeled from Russia's shadow fleet to 'neutral' tanker vessels... then bought by Western importers.[off topic].
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Message 2145259 - Posted: 15 Jan 2025, 18:41:46 UTC

Israel and Hamas reach Gaza ceasefire and hostage release deal, sources tell BBC

six week ceasefire:

  • release of 33 hostages, unknown how many still alive
  • Israel releases dozens of Palestinian prisoners
  • IDF pulls out of densely populated areas into a buffer zone on the eastern side


Military aged men among Israeli hostages not part of initial release; further negotiations needed.

No agreement on future administration of Gaza or Israel's withdrawal from the strip.

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Message 2145271 - Posted: 16 Jan 2025, 8:11:25 UTC

Sadly it's just another bandaid on a long festering wound that will continue to fester unless Israel changes its ways.

The ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas war is welcome, but the world needs to find a way to stop the conflict from reigniting.

Will Israel stop it's apartheid treatment of Palestinians, stop their land thieving settlers and remove those from those illegal settlements?

I very much doubt it.
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Message 2145279 - Posted: 16 Jan 2025, 19:57:39 UTC
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Well Adolf Benji and his far right mob has again thrown a spanner in the works while trying to push the same old tired untrue story for doing so.

Gaza ceasefire deal between Hamas and Israel delayed.

A ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas is in limbo after a crucial cabinet vote by the Netanyahu government was postponed.

The multi-stage deal was announced on Wednesday evening, local time, by Qatari Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman bin Jassim Al Thani.

Less than a day later, the office of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced a cabinet vote to officially approve the agreement, scheduled for Thursday afternoon, had been delayed.

Mr Netanyahu accused Hamas of walking back its commitment to the deal.

Hamas officials have insisted they support the agreement........
It just goes to show that you can't trust the Israeli government to do anything right.

Gaza ceasefire deal could mean Netanyahu is at war with his own government.
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