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Message 2142996 - Posted: 12 Nov 2024, 1:34:31 UTC - in response to Message 2142981.  

Are you talking about the Middle East or the U.S.A. with their carved in stone Constitution and Amendments?
Middle East, as I think is the region on earth where most severe political differences cannot be resolved peacefully due to an assumed primacy of religious laws and beliefs over international law.

The U.S. Constitution and references to God contained therein must be viewed in the context when it was written. Its purpose was to secure the rights of Americans against British foreign rule. God-fearing was the social norm; recognized by the overwhelming majority (except perhaps Freemasons). The Constitution guaranteed religious freedom. I cannot see where US policy today is guided by religious rules or laws; or by unspecific references to God, e.g.: "In God We Trust" which describe a common spirit and traditions. The Dutch have: "God zij met ons", e.g. minted in each coin edge... [all off-topic].
You are blind to the election that just took place where the USA is now run by bible thumping christian fundamentalists hell bent on imposing their brand of sharia laws on all.

That's what I was talking about.
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Message 2143024 - Posted: 12 Nov 2024, 19:58:18 UTC

The time for action has come, but where's the action?

Israel failing to provide enough aid to war-torn Gaza, aid agencies say.

In short:

International aid organisations say Israel is failing to meet a requirement from the US government to provide enough aid to prevent a humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip.

The US State Department says American military assistance to Israel will not change.

Aid agencies allege Israel has failed to provide enough aid to pass a key US ultimatum, the deadline of which passed on Tuesday.
It just goes to show that the U.S. is a partner in genocide and war crimes.
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Message 2143082 - Posted: 14 Nov 2024, 20:17:04 UTC

Israel and the U.S. find themselves more on the outer side of things.

Australia backs UN proposal recognising 'permanent sovereignty' of Palestinians over natural resources.

Australia has broken ranks with the United States and Israel to vote in favour of a draft United Nations resolution recognising "permanent sovereignty" of Palestinians to natural resources in the occupied territories for the first time in more than two decades.

A total of 155 countries voted in favour of the draft resolution in a UN committee, including Australia, the United Kingdon, New Zealand, France, Germany and Japan.

The US voted against the proposal along with Israel.

The UN General Assembly will now be asked to consider the draft resolution.

It calls on the organisation to recognise "permanent sovereignty of the Palestinian people in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and of the Arab population in the occupied Syrian Golan over their natural resources"..........
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Message 2143110 - Posted: 15 Nov 2024, 10:39:30 UTC - in response to Message 2143082.  
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It calls on the organisation to recognise "permanent sovereignty of the Palestinian people in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and of the Arab population in the occupied Syrian Golan [...]
There is no such thing as a "permanent sovereignty" of Palestine, even if a couple or a majority of UN member states recognises such fictious assumption. A people can declare its sovereignty under some preconditions according to the principle of 'self determination'. One is control of a state territory. This can be achieved by either:

  1. victory in a war against the sovereign country who is in control of their intended state territory or
  2. negotiate a (peace) treaty which formally guarantees control, thus sovereignty

It seems the Palestinians (btw. who represents them? Hamas leaders or corrupt autocrat Mahmoud Abbas?), rather their international supporters think there is a third option, that of international pressure against Israel. They can carry on with this madness for another two, three or four decades trying to achieve a sovereign Palestinian State without military victory and without a mutually agreed peace treaty. This strategy doesn't differs from Hamas' or Mullahs' strategy that misled millions of Gazans (and of West Bank Arabs too) to believe it's their destiny to confront Israel, to fight and to finally destroy the Zionist entity. This political step is NOT in the interests of Palestinians. It is the opposite, prolonging the conflict. Palestinians are going to be deceived again... and again... and again, formerly by its aggressive anti-Zionist Arab neighbours, now by their anti-Zionist International supporters.... tragical.

As for the inhabitants of so-called 'Syrian Golan'. Syria lost this territory in the Yom Kippur War of 1973 (a war of aggression which btw. brought Israel to the brink of defeat). It was formally annexed by Israel in 1981. The mostly Druze inhabitants then were offered Israeli citizenship or permanent residence permit in Israel. Most choose the second option, retaining Syrian citizenship. Their rights are respected. Syria since almost 50 years is incapable to achieve a peace treaty, lately in 2000 with the most appeasing Israeli PM Ehud Barak. Thus, a formal state of war continues. Look at North vs. South Korea... (persistant state of war since 1950). It's not Israel who is an obstacle to peace with Syria. But as long as there's a threat by Syria hosting and supporting all shades of Palestinian terrorists, the Golan remains Israeli state territory. A peace treaty eventually can change that... while the passage of time creates facts.

It's the same everywhere on earth and it was never different in history. If you wage war you have to face the consequences, which is you may win or loose territories. Germany lost three Prussian provinces in WW2 to PR Poland and USSR; the whole German population (millions) expelled. The passage of just two decades made this irreversible.

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Message 2143270 - Posted: 21 Nov 2024, 13:23:54 UTC

Arrest warrants issued for Netanyahu, Gallant and Hamas commander over alleged war crimes
The judges said there were “reasonable grounds” the three men bore "criminal responsibility" for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity during the war between Israel and Hamas. Both Israel and Hamas have rejected the allegations.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.
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Message 2143347 - Posted: 23 Nov 2024, 21:59:21 UTC
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It'll be interesting to see how this news affects those regular protests against Adolf Benji by his own citizens.

Israel says it can't 'confirm or refute' Hamas's claims that a hostage has died in Gaza.

The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) says it is in contact with the family of a hostage who Hamas claims died in northern Gaza.

The IDF said it could not "confirm or refute" the terrorist group's claims that the female hostage had died.

Abu Obedia, a spokesman for the armed wing of Hamas known as the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades, said on Saturday that contact had been restored with the woman's captors after a break of several weeks and it was determined that the hostage had died in an area of north Gaza where the Israeli army had been operating.....
It's just a shame that the media there is so heavily censored there that the truth is hard to get out (just like in other authoritarian countries where all you get propaganda instead).
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Message 2143471 - Posted: 27 Nov 2024, 18:03:20 UTC

Here is the present reality on the ground:

Hezbollah suffers ‘most significant’ setback in its history


So... If Hamas is now cut off from the actions (attacks/killings) by Hezbollah... Will Hamas similarly agree to a meaningful peace?

Except...

That Hezbollah peace only reaffirms what the UN has failed to enforce since the 2000's!

And Hamas continues to weponise the civilian population as part of their deadly games of war and atrocities...


All across the Holy Lands...

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Message 2143504 - Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 16:57:23 UTC - in response to Message 2143471.  

Fixed it for you
And Hamas Israel continues to weponise the civilian population as part of their deadly games of war and atrocities...
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Message 2143513 - Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 21:21:06 UTC

Meanwhile, curiously, 'nearby':

Turkish backed "rebels" launch an attack towards Aleppo against Russian backed Syrian forces...

Will Israel get scapegoated for that also?


All in our very deadly political world...

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Message 2143516 - Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 22:07:30 UTC
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A very strangely twisted political view?


Hezbollah tries to claim victory as Lebanon mourns its dead
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A year of fighting with Israel killed thousands – and shattered Hezbollah’s air of invincibility – before a ceasefire was reached...

... Hezbollah had set one task for itself when it launched rockets at Israel on 8 October 2023: force a ceasefire in Gaza. On Wednesday, after more than 13 months of fighting, Hezbollah stopped firing rockets and signed its own ceasefire with Israel...

... When Hezbollah entered the fray last year, alarm bells began to ring across the region. The largest militia in the world boasted of 100,000 battle-hardened fighters, and western thinktanks estimated it had an arsenal of 150,000 rockets pointed at Tel Aviv...

... Hezbollah promised that Tel Aviv would burn...

... Retribution...

... Hezbollah has warned its rivals not to overestimate its losses. In his latest speech the secretary general of the party, Naim Qassem, invoked the 1989 Taif agreement, which ended Lebanon’s 15-year long sectarian civil war...

... Hezbollah was keen to reassert its presence...


Note the 150,000 Iranian and Russian sourced rockets to make Tel Aviv "burn"...

How to deal with that?


... And the civilians be damned...

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Message 2143536 - Posted: 29 Nov 2024, 9:50:54 UTC - in response to Message 2143513.  
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Turkish backed "rebels" launch an attack towards Aleppo against Russian backed Syrian forces...
Some people perceive Ukrainian influence or at least advice in the Syrian rebels' sudden and successful drone-based warfare against the Russian-backed Syrian forces. Ukraine's Defense Minister is a Muslim and native Crimean Tatar (but born in Uzbek SSR where his family had been expelled to by Stalin). He established good relations and close cooperation with Turkiye. Seems Russian mercenaries are under attack in the Middle East and Africa too. [off-topic]
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Message 2143538 - Posted: 29 Nov 2024, 10:30:37 UTC - in response to Message 2143516.  

A very strangely twisted political view?

Hezbollah tries to claim victory as Lebanon mourns its dead
What these delusional people misunderstand is that a ceasefire is not a peace treaty.

“It might be hard for Europeans and westerners to understand, but this is victory,” said Mohammed, a resident of Bint Jbeil. “As long as the resistance is here – the Israelis will not be able to enter, then we have won.”
A year of fighting with Israel had killed almost 4,000 people in Lebanon, displaced more than a million from their homes and caused more than $8.5bn (£6.7bn) in damages, according to the World Bank.
"It is true that there is destruction, martyrs and sacrifices, but in front of the goal set by the enemy [Israel], the price paid was worth the great results that were achieved, Fadlallah said [...]"
How long will the majority of the returning population continue to see things the same way as this elegantly dressed Hezbollah MP Fadlallah who supposedly lives in the capital Beirut, once they fathom it will take years to rebuild their destroyed towns and villages? At some point, ordinary people will start to think... For what?
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Message 2143562 - Posted: 30 Nov 2024, 19:21:04 UTC

Adolf Benji and his Nazi butchers are still targeting aid workers to starve those that they want gone.

Five reported killed in Israeli strike in Gaza.

Five people have reportedly been killed in an air strike in Gaza that Israel said was targeting someone who took part in the 7 October attacks.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said the target of the strike also worked at the charity World Central Kitchen (WCK).

WCK said it was "heartbroken to share" that a vehicle carrying members of its staff had been hit and that it was seeking more details, though added that it had "no knowledge" that anyone in the car had ties to the 7 October attacks.......
So the genocide continues unabated.
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Message 2143570 - Posted: 30 Nov 2024, 23:19:03 UTC

... Note how for news from within Gaza, there is no distinction between civilians and Hamas 'operatives'/fighters/'martyrs'...


... And yet more people die.


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Message 2143577 - Posted: 1 Dec 2024, 1:11:27 UTC - in response to Message 2143570.  

... Note how for news from within Gaza, there is no distinction between civilians and Hamas 'operatives'/fighters/'martyrs'...

Note how for news from within Israel, there is no distinction between civilians and Military/militia...
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Message 2143579 - Posted: 1 Dec 2024, 2:49:45 UTC - in response to Message 2143577.  

... Note how for news from within Gaza, there is no distinction between civilians and Hamas 'operatives'/fighters/'martyrs'...

Note how for news from within Israel, there is no distinction between civilians and Military/militia...
And if you don't go along with Adolf Benji's propaganda narrative you either get banned like Al Jazzera (of which none of their stories have been disputed by other international sites) or you get,

Israeli cabinet sanctions country’s oldest newspaper over critical coverage and publisher’s comments.

So now tell me how Adolf Benji and his far right Nazi mob's control on news media, and the truth, is any different from PooTin's, Xi's, Kim's and other wannabe dictators plus Hitler himself back in the day.
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Message 2143580 - Posted: 1 Dec 2024, 6:52:43 UTC

Well we don't want any trouble making far right Zionists that push genocide here, most especially those who wear out the "anti-Semitic" phrase against those for just disagreeing with their bloodthirsty genocidal ways.

Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke said he barred the ex-Israeli minister from coming to Australia due to concerns her views could “undermine social cohesion”.

Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke has defended rejecting the visa of ex Israeli justice minister Ayelet Shaked over comments she made comparing Palestinian children to snakes, and claims Palestinian-occupied areas of Israel should be levelled.

The right-wing former justice minister was slated to attend the Canberra-Jerusalem Strategic Dialogue, however Mr Burke rejected her application on the grounds she had the potential to “seriously undermine social cohesion”.

Speaking publicly on his reasoning behind the decision for the first time, Mr Bourke said Ms Shaked had not applied for a visa to come to Australia as a visitor or on behalf of the Israeli government, but wanted approval to come to Australia and make public statements, which subjected her to more strict assessment criteria........
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Message 2143615 - Posted: 2 Dec 2024, 19:26:08 UTC

Former Israeli army chief and defence minister says northern Gaza is being ‘cleared of Arabs’, echoing ICC allegations.

Former Israeli Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon has accused Israel of committing war crimes and ethnic cleansing in the Gaza Strip, echoing the allegations by the International Criminal Court against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his former defence minister, Yoav Gallant.

Yaalon, a former army chief of staff, told Israeli media that hardliners in Netanyahu’s far-right cabinet were looking to chase Palestinians from northern Gaza and wanted to re-establish Jewish settlements there.

“I am compelled to warn about what is happening there and is being concealed from us,” Yaalon told public broadcaster Kan on Sunday.

“At the end of the day, war crimes are being committed.”

In an interview with the private DemocratTV channel, Yaalon said, “The road we are being led down is conquest, annexation and ethnic cleansing.”

Pressed on the “ethnic cleansing” appraisal, he said: “What is happening there? There is no more Beit Lahiya, no more Beit Hanoon, the army intervenes in Jabalia and in reality, the land is being cleared of Arabs.”.......
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Message 2143623 - Posted: 3 Dec 2024, 7:46:36 UTC

What Israel doesn't want the rest of the world to know, but this story could lead to these men's death.

Israeli soldiers in the West Bank accused of campaign of violence, arbitrary detention of Palestinians.

Hebron is a divided city, its streets a maze of roadblocks and checkpoints, concrete walls and razor wire separating the Palestinian community from [illegal] Jewish settlers.

The Israeli military and police maintain a heavy presence in Hebron, insisting they are there to maintain the security of residents and prevent terrorism.

But their conduct is being brought into question, with five Palestinian men telling the ABC they have been bashed, whipped, threatened and arbitrarily detained by Israeli forces in recent months.

They are among more than 20 residents of Hebron, less than 40 kilometres south of Jerusalem, who have spoken to long-standing Israeli human rights organisation B'Tselem and are describing themselves as victims of a campaign of violence and intimidation.

On Tuesday, B'Tselem released a report, titled Unleashed, which detailed allegations against Israeli forces operating in Hebron.

Despite potential reprisals for speaking out, the men insist they want to use their experiences to shine a light on the behaviour of Israeli forces.

B'Tselem has described Hebron as an example of how authorities conduct themselves right across the West Bank.........
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Message 2143631 - Posted: 3 Dec 2024, 13:34:03 UTC - in response to Message 2143562.  

So the genocide continues unabated.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/cities/palestine/gaza

Population just in the City of Gaza grew from 778,187 to 800,636 since 2023. The 'genocide' of the Palestinians is leading to an ever-increasing number of them. Israel should better stop this genocide.

The above-average birth rate in Palestine has kept the annual growth rate very high for the past few decades. Despite consistent negative net migration, the population continues to swell while the average woman in Palestine gives birth to around 4 children. The growth rate has slowed somewhat in recent years, but not by much. As of 2019, the population in Palestine was growing 2.65% annually.

[...] the population of Palestine will be close to 5.3M in 2020, 6.7M in 2030, 8.2M in 2040 and 9.7M by 2050.
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