On Saturday 26th October, Israel conducted a raid on Iran in response to the Iranian rocket attack on Israel on the 1st October. This raid conducted with over 100 aircraft attacked military and production sites for UAV's and missiles, and yet there were only 5 Iranian deaths

Hamas operates from a victim perspective....; 'We', the brave, suppressed Palestinian resistance force... Iran on the other hand developed a self-image of the strongest force in the Middle East. Like in USSR/Russia: after decades of political lies... the majority of the people believe it.

As soon as an external event (like Israel's highly professional country-wide raid) exposes these lies, the entire credibility and thus the power of the regime is immediately in danger. I don't believe anything the Mullahs publish.

Israel clearly demonstrated: while you can harm us seriously; we can destroy you anytime. Hopefully, this message was received...

Could it be that the terrorists are hiding behind the civilian population?

Could it be that past bombing raids have destroyed all other structures?

Why did they have to destroy all other structures?

My guess, it was because the terrorists had assets below the civilian structures.

Why were the terrorists invented? Theft of land?

Why were the terrorists invented? Theft of land?

Theft of land?
Was there any theft of land when the first Palestinian attacks on Israelis took place in 1947. The land was split into three parts by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine, Israeli, Palestinian and Jerusalem.

Why were the terrorists invented?
No idea, possibly an idealistic belief they could take over the whole area,
They have been declared terrorists by most Western Countries, such as the US, UK, most of Europe (now by the EU) and Canada.

And they haven't only attacked Israel, there have been Palestinian actions against Arab countries, notably Jordan until the King decided to throw them out in 1970. Where they then went on to cause trouble in Syria and Lebanon

Can you name any country that would house the Palestinians?

The land was split into three parts by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine, Israeli, Palestinian and Jerusalem.

And that was created by western stupidity with no thought to the ramification of it or the fairness of it. It just marks when the land theft was 1st started.

Why should the 700,000 Arabs living there at the time get awarded 42.88% of their country when 56,000 Jews got 56.47% out of it? It certainly wasn't a fair or rational divide.

The state of Israel should've been allotted well less than 20% of the land based on those population stats. Or was the west planning for an invasion of the land?

Now we have Adolf Benji and his far right mob who want the lot.

Then there's this latest twist.

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu sacks Israeli defence minister Yoav Gallant over 'crisis of trust'.

The land was split into three parts by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine, Israeli, Palestinian and Jerusalem.

And that was created by western stupidity with no thought to the ramification of it or the fairness of it. It just marks when the land theft was 1st started.

Btw. The whole Arab expansion from the Arab peninsula across, Middle East, Anatolia, Southeastern Europe, Egypt, Northern Africa, Sicily, Spain, was a land theft; supression, eradication of former Greek and Roman societies. Why did the medieval French kings initiated the Reconquista? Because Arabs expanded from Iberian peninsula far into Southern France, frequently raided Christian towns. You will never be able to mark a start date in a region which was since many millenia the home to ancient high cultures; the native Jews in 'Palestine' (a Roman term) one of the most ancient btw.

Why should the 700,000 Arabs living there at the time get awarded 42.88% of their country when 56,000 Jews got 56.47% out of it? It certainly wasn't a fair or rational divide.

Yassir Arafat (an Egyptian Arab btw.) in 1962 began to argue they aren't 'Arabs' but 'Palestinians' to establish the "Palestinian Cause". As to "awarded". Benjamin Netanyahu just recently corrected Emanuel Macron it wasn't the UN who created Israel (or 'awarded' them land). It was the Israeli nation who was the victor in the Arab-Israeli war of 1948 which Arab neighbour countries started.

The sovereign state of Israel is a fact. Who still questions its state territory today is a warmonger.

The state of Israel should've been allotted well less than 20% of the land based on those population stats. Or was the west planning for an invasion of the land?

In this region it's difficult to argue with area comparisions. There are fertile areas with access to fresh water and there are huge desert areas. Large parts of Israel's south as well as the region near the Death Sea are pure desert areas. Arabs (Muslims and Christians) as well as native oriental Jews traditionally lived from agriculture, pastoral farming on sufficiently fertile lands; or trading/craftsmanship in coastal cities or Jersualem.

Over the decades, the modern Israel specialized in efficient large-scale agriculture with minimal water requirements which enabled farming in semi-deserts. Tel Aviv was established in the 1920s on barren desert soil (land was purchased). In the early days of Jewish immigration to Palestine, many Kibbuzim were built in uninhabited areas (rural agriculture settlements) far from Arab villages or the densely populated Arab coastal cities (Yaffa, Haifa).

Projecting area comparisons onto population statistics is misleading. I assume it's the same for California or Australia with equally diverse landscape forms.

[...] when the first Palestinian attacks on Israelis took place in 1947. [...]

... much earlier: e.g.: 1929 Hebron massacre, 1929 Palestine riots.
Arabs perpetrated a horrendous pogrom, murdered a hundred. Immigrant Jews retaliated. The few British officers struggled to uphold public order (and safe their own lives from Arab fury).

And both of those incidents still had the same root cause, western stupidity.

... And the short sighted politics of the moment...

The rest is history.


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And both of those incidents still had the same root cause, western stupidity.

The area has to be restored to how it was before the outsiders upset the balance.

And both of those incidents still had the same root cause, western stupidity.

The area has to be restored to how it was before the outsiders upset the balance.

Which "outsiders" and what time in the past few thousand years?...

I'll claim it's all Alexander's fault!


Meanwhile, the people pawns trapped in Gaza and Lebanon are abandoned to their fate by all others in the world, whilst Hamas and Hezbollah murderously expend them like pawns in a game.

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And both of those incidents still had the same root cause, western stupidity.

The area has to be restored to how it was before the outsiders upset the balance.

How far back in history do you wish to go, and why?

And both of those incidents still had the same root cause, western stupidity.

The area has to be restored to how it was before the outsiders upset the balance.

How far back in history do you wish to go, and why?

And how to do whatever 'undoing'?


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And both of those incidents still had the same root cause, western stupidity.

The area has to be restored to how it was before the outsiders upset the balance.

It has to be? Why? What is so special about Israel resp. Palestine? (or as Golda Meir, Israel's former PM expressed: "I am a Palestinian, from 1921 to 1948, I carried a Palestinian passport. There was no such thing in this area as Jews, and Arabs, and Palestinians. There were Jews and Arabs."

The Cape region of today's South Africa was populated by less than 100K nomads when Dutch established the Cape Colony. Not different for the Oranje-Vrijstaat, further northeast. Nobody ever demanded to restore the area to how it was before outsiders disturbed the balance; Btw... European agriculture methods enabled today's many times larger population. Integrated natives (many mixed race) can't reestablish their previously small ancestral nomadic tribes.

Now think about 2M Gazans and ask yourself what enabled this population to grow this large in a few decades... Now imagine there's no Israel anymore... How would they earn their living? They live from aid money. Better they learn to live WITH Israel than without... (no aid without global attention... Hello Haiti, hello Somalia, how's it going?)

Australia was inhabited by just ~300K Aborigines when Europeans arrived. Nobody can argue the few native nomads "owned" or "inhabited" all of this vast country. Although the European Australians oppressed, expelled and imprisoned them for more than a century; decimated their numbers down to ~60K ... no one would demand to restore this continent how it was before.

North America... ~10?...12M? natives before Europeans arrived...

What is so special, so different with Israel than with the many other countries on earth influenced by European immigration?

There's a difference. It's the only Jewish majority state on earth (see self-determination?). It's also the ancient homeland of the Jewish nation which over millenia retained a common understanding of the 'Jewish people', different in culture, language, religion from others while being expelled and spread across three continents. There's a massive Jewish temple mount the latest parts of which date back thousand years before Arabs invaded. I cannot see how European immigrants and their descendants elsewhere could make a similar strong justification for their right to live there.

Wow!

... After how long and how many deaths?...



Gaza’s top Islamic scholar issues fatwa criticising 7 October attack {by Hamas}
wrote:

The most prominent Islamic scholar in Gaza has issued a rare, powerful fatwa condemning Hamas’s 7 October 2023 attack on Israel, which triggered the devastating war in the Palestinian territory...

... so his legal opinion carries significant weight among Gaza’s two million population, which is predominantly Sunni Muslim.

A fatwa is a non-binding Islamic legal ruling from a respected religious scholar usually based on the Quran or the Sunnah - the sayings and practices of the Prophet Muhammad...

... Jihad means “struggle” in Arabic and in Islam it can be a personal struggle for spiritual improvement or a military struggle against unbelievers...

... For Hamas, the fatwa represents an embarrassing and potentially damaging critique, particularly as the group often justifies its attacks on Israel through religious arguments to garner support from Arab and Muslim communities...

... His fatwa highlights that, according to Islamic law, a military raid should not trigger a response that exceeds the intended benefits of the action.

He also stresses that Muslim leaders are obligated to ensure the safety and well-being of non-combatants, including by providing food, medicine, and refuge to those not involved in the fighting...

Oh... All ok then?

Nothing about rights and wrongs... Just that the Hamas attack has proved to be not beneficial to the ongoing jihad against the "Unbelievers-who-must-all-be-destroyed"...

And just the minor detail there about Hamas ignoring the supposed "Thou Shall Not Use civilians (women and children) as human shields"...


All the same old deadly politics then of that region...

Their Jihad of death and destruction continues.

All in the very deadly games of Jihad.


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... His fatwa highlights that, according to Islamic law, a military raid should not trigger a response that exceeds the intended benefits of the action.

That's an interesting snippet.

Supposedly, this 'law' originates in a distant past of limited battles between Arab tribes (swords, lances, archers...). This Islamic law seems to be incompatible to the Western 'deterrence' concept, which is, war (or raids) is no longer a sovereign right of nations/states since the potential damage became unbearable with industrial warfare. This religious law doesn't incorporate this fact.

Religious beliefs or laws should never influence government politics, or e.g. guide terrorist groups' plans. That's a clear example why. Such laws are static, outdated, unsuitable to provide political guidance in a quickly changing world.

... The (convenient) misinterpretation of whichever religious beliefs still provides for unlimited excuses...

All in their deadly politics...

And all people be damned into damnation!


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Religious beliefs or laws should never influence government politics, or e.g. guide terrorist groups' plans. That's a clear example why. Such laws are static, outdated, unsuitable to provide political guidance in a quickly changing world.

Are you talking about the Middle East or the U.S.A. with their carved in stone Constitution and Amendments?

I( think that it has passed the "looming" point.

Famine looms in northern Gaza Strip amid a war killing mostly women and children, UN says.

Back-to-back UN reports have found famine is looming in the northern Gaza Strip as Israel continues an offensive which has killed mostly women and children in the locality.

The UN's Famine Review Committee warned on Saturday of "an imminent and substantial likelihood of famine occurring, due to the rapidly deteriorating situation in the Gaza Strip".

"Famine thresholds may have already been crossed or else will be in the near future," it said.
Over 300,000 facing 'catastrophic' food insecurity as aid trickles and prices soar......

If they can't blow people to bits they'll starve them instead.

Are you talking about the Middle East or the U.S.A. with their carved in stone Constitution and Amendments?

Middle East, as I think is the region on earth where most severe political differences cannot be resolved peacefully due to an assumed primacy of religious laws and beliefs over international law.

The U.S. Constitution and references to God contained therein must be viewed in the context when it was written. Its purpose was to secure the rights of Americans against British foreign rule. God-fearing was the social norm; recognized by the overwhelming majority (except perhaps Freemasons). The Constitution guaranteed religious freedom. I cannot see where US policy today is guided by religious rules or laws; or by unspecific references to God, e.g.: "In God We Trust" which describe a common spirit and traditions. The Dutch have: "God zij met ons", e.g. minted in each coin edge... [all off-topic].

Are you talking about the Middle East or the U.S.A. with their carved in stone Constitution and Amendments?

Middle East, as I think is the region on earth where most severe political differences cannot be resolved peacefully due to an assumed primacy of religious laws and beliefs over international law.

The U.S. Constitution and references to God contained therein must be viewed in the context when it was written. Its purpose was to secure the rights of Americans against British foreign rule. God-fearing was the social norm; recognized by the overwhelming majority (except perhaps Freemasons). The Constitution guaranteed religious freedom. I cannot see where US policy today is guided by religious rules or laws; or by unspecific references to God, e.g.: "In God We Trust" which describe a common spirit and traditions. The Dutch have: "God zij met ons", e.g. minted in each coin edge... [all off-topic].

You are blind to the election that just took place where the USA is now run by bible thumping christian fundamentalists hell bent on imposing their brand of sharia laws on all.