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Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1069 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
Killing of Hamas leader 'doesn't help' ceasefire talks, says Biden At the end of May, Mr Biden outlined what he said were the terms of an Israeli ceasefire proposal. This has become the basis for on-off indirect negotiations between Hamas and Israel since then, with Qatar, Egypt and the US acting as mediators.They are not interested to agree on Biden's proposal. BOTH sides! If they were, such details would not reach the public. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30929 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
yes, there is much profit to be made from low level conflict. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36363 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
The same old worn out excuses keep on coming from Adolf Benji and fascist butchers, but most of us know that they don't want peace as they just want the genocide to continue. At least 100 Palestinians killed in Israeli air strike on school in Gaza, local authorities say. At least 100 Palestinians have been killed and dozens have been wounded in an Israeli air strike on a school sheltering displaced people in the Daraj district, east of Gaza city. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36363 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
The U.S. just doesn't learn. :-( US Approves $20 Billion Arms Deal for Israel. The United States on Tuesday approved more than $20 billion in weapons sales to Israel.Which just makes them even more complicate in genocide. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36363 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Those fascist Israeli Nazis just can't stop themselves from stirring even more crap. Israeli minister Ben-Gvir's Al-Aqsa Mosque visit was quickly condemned as provocative. Here's why. Israel's national security minister Itamar Ben-Gvir has been condemned for a "provocative" visit to a holy site on an important Jewish holiday. |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1069 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
"Provocative"? For Palestinians everything 'non-Arab' is provocative. But definitely: it is not the time and place to challenge the status quo... the established rules to visit the place. It's like pouring fuel all over the place and reaching for a matchstick. But inevitably this time will come... because the current agreements for the Temple mount and Palestinian Authority's responsibility for the place since 1994 were intended to achieve a peace agreement (Two state solution). Nothing improved in thirty years. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36363 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Totally unfair, but what is good for 1 should be the same for the other. Majority of Palestinians fleeing Gaza to Australia have had their visas refused. The majority of visas from Palestinians fleeing Gaza and seeking entry into Australia following Hamas’ October 7 attacks have been refused, according to figures confirmed by Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke.If we're keeping 1 lot out then we should be doing the same to the other group which is equally responsible for the crap that's happening. Fair is fair. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36363 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
But are Americans allowed to sue the Israeli leaders (who are also terrorists, just with U.S. support) for the same things, or is this just another one way racist thing? Biden Admin Wants Supreme Court to Let Americans Sue Palestinian Leaders. The Biden administration is urging the Supreme Court to uphold a 2019 law that would allow Americans injured by acts of terror to sue the Palestinian Authority (PA) and Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) for damages.As Adolf Benji's Nazi party can't stop making things worse. Map Shows Israel's Plans to Expand Settlement in West Bank. srael has published plans for a new settlement in the occupied West Bank, the country's finance minister announced Wednesday, a month after the United Nation's top court deemed Israeli settlements illegal in the territory.It's just wrong to support these Nazi terrorists. |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1069 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
Whatever happens, Israel will never give up a fixed, secure transit corridor between Israel's coastline and Jerusalem, its capital and administration center, in a peace treaty of any kind. All these wars in 1967, 1973, 1982, 2006, [...] 2024 have only strengthened their resolve. You can condemn that, but then please propose credible, feasible alternatives.Smotrich called it part of a "national mission" to connect to Jerusalem.......It's just wrong to support these Nazi terrorists. As with the settlers. For decades Palestinian's and Arab neighbour's push for terror only strenghtened the settler's beliefs and their resolve; btw. also increased their numbers (birth rates and immigration). This is not an appropriate step towards a progressive, modern society. But in a democracy, fundamentalist morons also have a vote. Let us hope for a fair peace treaty before they become the majority. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14674 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Remember that the UK, USA and France maintained a fixed, secure transit corridor between West Germany and West Berlin throughout the period of separation and the lifetime of the Berlin Wall - I travelled along it by train, at the beginning of a school trip into eastern Europe in 1968, age 16. The need for the corridor was agreed by both eastern and western politicians, and East Germany policed it. Similar arrangements were made for an air corridor into Tempelhof, though air travel was mostly of lesser importance in the early years. It can be done, although only by politicians of goodwill talking to each other, after the bombing has stopped. We seem to be a long way behind that curve in the Middle East. |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1069 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
I agree to Richard's remarks on a hypotetic 'fair' corridor. But in the details and daily practice of such corridors there are tremendous differences why you can't compare the former de-facto exclave (West) Berlin with Jerusalem. The Allied power's occupation of Germany ensured total control; no terrorism, no bandits; no riots; no shootings; no bombs... whatsoever. That's why the transit corridors functioned as long as ALL supervising Allied powers agreed on a common policy. Things became bumpy at the end of the 1940s when Soviets withdrew from joint administrative bodies; finally stopped transit, ordered a total blockade (persons and goods) (Berlin blockade & Allied airlift), blackmailed their Western "allies" into surrendering Berlin. Later, when tensions eased; again Allied military trains or cars (taboo for Eastern authorities; only Soviets could check them) and civilian so-called "Interzonenzüge" (inter-zonal trains) and cars/trucks passed transit corridors. These corridors weren't merely 'policed' but rather 'harrassed' by East German police and border guards who bullied travellers with rigorous and lengthy passport checks and customs examinations of luggage. Since 1961 (Berlin wall) Eastern guards were also tasked to stop Easterners from illegally leaving the country, e.g. somehow jumping on transit trains or hiding in transiting cars. Eastern elderlies (entitled for 'outbound visa' >65 years old) were allowed e.g. once a year to leave the country to visit relatives. They were afraid of humilating border checks in these trains (some western goods banned, e.g. political magazines, newspapers)... not different at road crossings. ...at the mercy of border guards. Car drivers were obliged not to leave transit motorways; excessive police checks along the routes; hidden supervision at roadhouses... Westerners were assured of diplomatic support in case of incidents... Easterners at the mercy of their regime. Only in 1972 transit travel became a 'new normal' (for Westerners) when further mutual agreements assured safe and easier passage (transit visas issued without leaving trains or cars; no luggage checks, no extorted transit fees). West Germany had to pay billions to overhaul worn and heavily damaged pre-WW2 transit motorways; even for construction of a missing transit motorway (to Hamburg). Eastern authorities pushed to replace the old transit highway with a motorway to prevent stops in forests or leaving the transit route to secretly meet with and hide refugees. Sure, nobody was killed on transit, but many scared or intimidated; some arrested without obvious reasons (e.g. behaved disrespectfully). Discovered refugees in transit trains or cars were sentenced to long prison terms until 1989/90 as well as Westerners who helped them. To prevent incidents and blackmailing, western government ordered officials to take the plane (three air corridors for Allied military planes or civilian airlines, bot not German planes). At least air corridors were controlled from a joint control center by all four Allied powers. As Richard said... a mutually agreed transit corridor, avoiding humilating conditions for travellers, requires peace, goodwill, and depends on mutual trust. I also don't see that... well behind the curve... on the wrong path the Middle East has taken a long time ago. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36363 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
After unleashing police violence against students protesting against genocide she finally got the message that she wasn't welcome staying onboard. Columbia President's Resignation Welcomed by Staff, Students. The resignation of Columbia University President Minouche Shafik has been welcomed by some students and professors. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36363 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
While Adolf Benji and his Nazi mob refuse to sign a peace treaty that has been backed by all other parties, but they do want to escalate the war further. Israel Official Says Iran War 'Inevitable' and US Should Strike Now. An Israeli diplomat has told Newsweek that a large-scale confrontation with Iran was guaranteed to come and called on U.S. President Joe Biden to take direct action against the Islamic Republic sooner than later.Adolf Benji is the only 1 that need pushing, but signing a peace treaty will mean his political end and the many courts that are waiting for him to sit for judgement on many levels will get their moments with him. |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1069 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
Imagine if Hamas simply decides to release the remaining hostages or their remains, even if a dozen or more are already dead; and then publicly signs Biden's absurd peace deal which does not demand prosecution of Hamas' crimes, instead Israel's complete withdrawal from Gaza. Imagine the immediate worldwide pressure on Israel. Who longer cares about any concerns of Benyi's far-right coalition partners? Blown away. Hamas refuses to do that... because they hold real IDF soldiers hostage... many of them woman... and military-aged male Jews... evil personified. You can't release evil, can you? It must be destroyed, right? |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36363 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
What a load of B.S.. Adolf Benji has been encouraging the settler mob by supplying them with money, army uniforms and weapons for them to do what they've been doing for decades now. Israeli leaders condemn settler attacks in West Bank in rare rebuke of violence. Israeli leadership has condemned settler attacks in the occupied West Bank that killed one person, in a rare denunciation of settler violence.It's also a pretty safe bet that Adolf Benji and his mob of Nazis will throw another spanner into the current peace talks. Hamas Says Netanyahu Wants an Even Bigger War, Not a Ceasefire. A senior Hamas official has told Newsweek that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was deliberately blocking a ceasefire deal that would put an end to the 10-month war in the Gaza Strip and was instead seeking to expand the conflict across the region.The only way to get Adolf Benji to the peace table will be for the U.S. to tell him that there will be no more weapons supplied to him unless he signs on the dotted line. |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1069 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
The only way to get Adolf Benji to the peace table will be for the U.S. to tell him that there will be no more weapons supplied to him unless he signs on the dotted line.Benyi stubbornly insists on continuing to control the Philadelphi Corridor, the border between Egypt's Sinai and Gaza. How else is Israel supposed to stop the smuggling of rockets and arms into Gaza? Such a serious mistake as letting Palestinians in Gaza control this border (2005 retreat from Gaza) without them having first agreed to a peace treaty (two state solution) is not something Israel will repeat. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36363 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
I reckon that Adolf Benji and his mob of fascist butchers won't be seen at the peace table at least until the U.S.'s elections are done with and they will continue adding to their war crimes until then and if Benji's criminal buddy Delusional Donny wins he won't stop adding to those crimes. Why Netanyahu Is Panicked at the Prospect of a Harris Presidency. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu shares two important characteristics with former President Donald Trump: like Trump, Netanyahu is narcissistic, incapable of empathy for others who considers his personal interests and political survival to be of paramount importance, and, also like Trump, he desperately wants Trump to win the forthcoming presidential election in order for him to have a hope of staying out of jail. |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1069 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
Like Trump, Netanyahu is under multiple criminal indictments and his various trials are ongoing. These trials would accelerate with bullet train speed were he to be forced out of office anytime soon. All of which explains why Netanyahu does not want an agreement for any kind of ceasefire in the Hamas-Israel war and the return of those hostages taken captive by Hamas on Oct. 7 who are still alive. He knows that the day after such an agreement is reached, he will be unable to withstand calls for new elections, which he could well lose.Errr.... He WILL lose. Now, assume Hamas.... no, it is Yahya Sinwar only.... Assume Sinwar decides to release these hostages... Benji would be forced immediately by the U.S., the UN, the uproar of the pro-Palestine faction worldwide to retreat from Gaza, even before the US elections in November. The article outlines his fate: lose elections, indictments, various trials, jail. But a retreat of the IDF from Gaza is not what Hamas wants. The Oct 7th attack was intended to lure Israel into Gaza, to inflame conflicts resp. disagreements with all of its "neighbours" (Hezbollah, Houthis, Iran, Syrian islamists, .... Egypt, Jordan, Saudis, ...). What the article provides reasons for is, the Hamas boss possesses the power to quickly end Benji's career and pave the way for him to go to prison. Why doesn't he use it? Because it's not about occupation of Gaza, oppression of Palestinians, or fighting Israel's right-wing government, but always about the one... the only, the unattainable goal: the destruction of the 'Zionist entity', the expulsion of the Jews. Hamas and Benji... They increasingly live in symbiosis. They need each other to survive. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36363 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
As Adolf Benji and his far right fascist butchers continue actions that not only kill innocent Palestinians they're also killing those held hostages, but many decent Israelis are not falling for their lies and are ramping up their actions against their rogue (re: terrorist) government. Protests are spreading across Israel after the Israel Defense Forces recovered the bodies of six hostages in a tunnel in Gaza. Israel's main labour union calls general strike to pressure government into deal after six hostages killed in Gaza. Netanyahu 'Has Failed': Hostage Family Group as Six More Dead. And all Adolf Benji is really worried about is facing the music that is waiting for him in the end that he's so desperately trying to avoid, even to the point of destroying his own country. |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1069 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
As Adolf Benji and his far right fascist butchers continue actions that not only kill innocent Palestinians they're also killing those held hostages [...]No, it is Hamas terrorists that murdered six hostages by shooting them in the head. Shooting hostages is a clear message: Hamas is not interested in any peace treaty. |
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