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Message 2094622 - Posted: 20 Feb 2022, 17:15:10 UTC - in response to Message 2094588.  
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Well, 2 posts by Igor from 2012, tells me that Igor changed his mind about Putin :-)

Can't you find more modern posts?
As I wrote some years ago, Putin is not good, but also he's not the evil for Russia in general sense. He works for the benefit of certain circles in Russia and he's not interested in meaningless adventures harmful to the Russian economy and sharply worsening the domestic political situation. He can calculate the consequences, and he supports unrecognized republics in Eastern Ukraine, but he really does not want to occupy Ukraine. Reunion of Crimea was enough. Otherwise, he would have done this in 2014 or in 2015, when the Ukrainian army basically was a crowd of non-professionals.
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Message 2094626 - Posted: 20 Feb 2022, 18:48:08 UTC

Video of the outside of the school. Unfortunately after some cleanup.
https://www.dw.com/en/dw-visits-shelled-kindergarten-in-volatile-eastern-ukraine/av-60847305
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Message 2094640 - Posted: 20 Feb 2022, 22:38:46 UTC
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Invasion on!

As expected just after the Olympics end.
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Message 2094654 - Posted: 21 Feb 2022, 0:19:35 UTC

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Message 2094667 - Posted: 21 Feb 2022, 5:30:15 UTC - in response to Message 2094640.  

Invasion on!

As expected just after the Olympics end.


Oh, more and more disinformation... It's interesting, what will say US mass-media when the Ukrainian army will start attack against Donetsk and Lugansk?
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Message 2094668 - Posted: 21 Feb 2022, 5:35:59 UTC - in response to Message 2094654.  

The photo that show building that was damaged in 2014 or 2015... it is very relevant in 2022, of course.
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Message 2094669 - Posted: 21 Feb 2022, 5:40:49 UTC - in response to Message 2094668.  

The photo that show building that was damaged in 2014 or 2015... it is very relevant in 2022, of course.

Yes, shows the same damage pattern as the exterior of the kindergarten.
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Message 2094671 - Posted: 21 Feb 2022, 5:53:04 UTC - in response to Message 2094669.  
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The photo that show building that was damaged in 2014 or 2015... it is very relevant in 2022, of course.

Yes, shows the same damage pattern as the exterior of the kindergarten.

Windows absent but traces of shell fragments is present on the wall... It's not the same damage, and that building is very close to border with Donetsk republic, unlike kindergarten.
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Message 2094673 - Posted: 21 Feb 2022, 6:01:03 UTC - in response to Message 2094667.  

what will say US mass-media when the Ukrainian army will start attack against Donetsk and Lugansk?

Putin treats the Minsk agreement(s) like Hitler treated the Munich agreement.

Why would the Ukraine attack? Unlike Putin, Ukraine isn't interested in grabbing territory for ego's sake. If they wanted the area they don't want a bombed out wasteland, they would want it intact and the only way that happens is diplomatically.
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Message 2094690 - Posted: 21 Feb 2022, 12:17:04 UTC - in response to Message 2094673.  
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Why would the Ukraine attack? Unlike Putin, Ukraine isn't interested in grabbing territory for ego's sake. If they wanted the area they don't want a bombed out wasteland, they would want it intact and the only way that happens is diplomatically.

Ukrainian army shelled civil population many times for this years, OSCE many times reported it. And Kiev did not take any real steps for peaceful solution. Amnesty? No! Autonomy for the Eastern regions? No! Russian as the second official language in Eastern regions? No! Ukrainian government did other - they banned education in Russian language, for what? To destroy opportunity for dialogue. BTW, on videos, most local people speak Russian, on the Kiev-controlled side of Eastern Ukraine also, now their children must lost their native language.
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Message 2094691 - Posted: 21 Feb 2022, 12:27:17 UTC - in response to Message 2094578.  

Viktor Yanukovych was just a Putin imitation puppet who was draining the Ukraine people dry.

Viktor Yanukovych was legally elected president of Ukraine. More than 12.4 millions voters voted for him. And more than 3 years he was normal for US.
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Message 2094692 - Posted: 21 Feb 2022, 15:17:08 UTC - in response to Message 2094690.  

they banned education in Russian language, for what? To destroy opportunity for dialogue. BTW, on videos, most local people speak Russian, on the Kiev-controlled side of Eastern Ukraine also, now their children must lost their native language.

Really? Is this the way Putin justifies his actions? Well, I guess he has proved that Germany was right and should have annexed all the land to St. Petersburg. Disgusting.
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Message 2094693 - Posted: 21 Feb 2022, 15:34:25 UTC

Why shouldn't Ukraine ban the Russian language. The Russians in the country were put there by Stalin after 1945, to replace the Ukrainians he had shipped off East because didn't like them just like he did with the Crimean Tatars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars.

If they want to speak Russian then they should go back to Russia, and not try to claim this is part of Russia because they were put there 'illegally'.
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Message 2094696 - Posted: 21 Feb 2022, 16:31:37 UTC - in response to Message 2094693.  
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If they want to speak Russian then they should go back to Russia, and not try to claim this is part of Russia because they were put there 'illegally'.

One of many examples - Albanians in Serbian Kosovo. Should they go back to Albania? But the US supported their war for independence. Also in the North Macedonia, US and NATO forced Macedonian government to give local autonomy for ethnic Albanians. World history is very interesting and complex thing. And Eastern Ukraine was not Ukrainian before 1920th, when borders was changed, and it was only internal administrative borders at that times.
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Message 2094697 - Posted: 21 Feb 2022, 16:44:28 UTC
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Modern situation in Ukraine (and very possible recognition of independence of Eastern Ukrainian republics by Russia) show very bad perspectives. Very bad. Caribbean crisis (that was initiated by installation US nuclear missiles in Turkey, very close to the USSR border, this caused installation Soviet missiles in Cuba)... No, modern situation is other, of course. Nevertheless, a very dangerous crisis is very possible.
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Message 2094701 - Posted: 21 Feb 2022, 19:17:01 UTC

Yes, Putin bad, very bad, but he does know how to brainwash the weak and make those opposing him disappear.
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Message 2094702 - Posted: 21 Feb 2022, 19:25:53 UTC - in response to Message 2094693.  

Why shouldn't Ukraine ban the Russian language. The Russians in the country were put there by Stalin after 1945, to replace the Ukrainians he had shipped off East because didn't like them just like he did with the Crimean Tatars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars...

And that is being attempted again, this time by Putin. There are the ongoing "emergency evacuations" from the Donbas areas to move the present people into Russia, and away from where they have lived for the last few generations...

So far, there have been a few thousand people coerced into 'evacuating'.

What will Putin do with the few million that remain?...


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Message 2094703 - Posted: 21 Feb 2022, 19:35:27 UTC - in response to Message 2094604.  
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Good deductions there.

There's another picture for that same school showing a small crater in the playground, that is claimed to be from a second shot.


One to watch further...

Meanwhile over in the 'Rebel' held area, there's been some very obviously faked car bombs, all with no injuries but with lots of dramatic footage...


And undeniably, Russia is still showing off a LOT of very threatening hardware, all pointed at Ukraine...

There is some very clear video of the aftermath of the school having been shelled. Very clear.

The news of further developments is rather disturbing also... Especially that Russia and Belarus are soon to disconnect Ukraine from their electricity power grids...

See:

WION: ... Russia could attack on Ukraine today| Russia says no plan for Biden-Putin summit...


And Putin's wargames are ongoing...

See on the ground:

A 'Z' FOR INVASION, RUSSIAN TANKS PAINTED WITH WAR COLORS ARE READY...



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Message 2094719 - Posted: 21 Feb 2022, 23:18:14 UTC
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I see Putin is now deciding where other countries boundaries are located. I guess all that screaming about the USA meddling in the internal affairs of other countries was all hypocritical and only Russia has that right.

<ed>And now he has invaded!
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