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Message 2144376 - Posted: 23 Dec 2024, 22:04:03 UTC

The first petrol cars in the early 20th century were clearly unsuitable for the Canadian winters. At some point they became 'suitable'.
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Message 2144378 - Posted: 23 Dec 2024, 22:47:35 UTC
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EVs in the frost and ice of Norway work fine.

So much so that EVs outsell the old fossils there...


Aside: I've driven my EV through snow and ice this year, already, and on ungritted roads. All was good. The smooth traction control is fantastic. The aircon/heating worked fine. The conditions and extra time cost an additional 5% of battery.


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Message 2144574 - Posted: 29 Dec 2024, 1:22:32 UTC - in response to Message 2144378.  
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EVs in the frost and ice of Norway work fine.

So much so that EVs outsell the old fossils there...
Hmmm, the Norwegian climate is wet, quite cool but in particular 'oceanic'. Just on the (almost uninhabited) central southern mountain plateau (I think it's called 'Hardangervidda') it gets truly cold in winters.

It would be interesting to know how (EV) things are East of the Skandes mountain range which blocks relatively warm Atlantic air, that is in Central and Northern Sweden or Finland where it's often and for long weeks really cold.

Electricity is cheap* in Norway as well as in Sweden; I don't know about Finland.

Privately owned homes rather than rental apartments are typical outside densely built-up city centers in Norway as well as in Sweden. This enables cheap charging at home overnight. No need to dig cable trenches for charging infrastructure first. Then, there's plenty of flexible hydro generation feeding the grid... Nuclear in SE/FI as well...

Do I try to question why there are so few EVs sold in Germany? Maybe.

* I'm no longer sure about Southern Norway with its multiple gigawatts of transit capacity from at least five HVDC links to the UK, NL, DE, and DK, which often multiplies prices at power exchanges on par to our insane continental scarcity prices.

[EDIT to add:]Ahh, of course you have to pay hefty import tariffs for new as well as used foreign made cars in Norway. The only local car manufacturer produces... EVs.

There aren't motorways in the sparsely populated Norway which spreads 1,750 kilometers (1,080 miles) to the North along deeply incised fjords, which makes long distances even longer. The few railways are really comfy but slow (students and pensioners). So, SAS and Norwegian Airlines domestic flights fulfill the function of long distance motorways and high speed railways on the continent. EVs are fantastic for the typical usage of cars in Norway.
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Message 2144794 - Posted: 4 Jan 2025, 1:45:23 UTC
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Nearly All New Cars Sold in Norway Were Electric in 2024
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  • Strong take-up made possible by mix of incentives and taxes
  • Policy consistent over time
  • No automotive lobby in Norway to oppose extra taxes

...

... "Norway will be the first country in the world to pretty much erase petrol and diesel engine cars from the new car market,"...


Elsewhere: All just a game of politics and greedy lobbying holding back the tide of positive progress?



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Message 2144799 - Posted: 4 Jan 2025, 8:47:43 UTC - in response to Message 2144794.  

Elsewhere: All just a game of politics and greedy lobbying holding back the tide of positive progress?
"Progress" = greenwashing and the acceleration of AGW Mother nature will eventually impose the only known solution, reduce the population of humans.
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Message 2144811 - Posted: 4 Jan 2025, 14:55:42 UTC

Some economists explain the impact of replacing ICE with BEV cars, thus reducing oil consumption, for global CO2 exhaust as non-existent or neglible.

Their argument is: oil and petrol are traded globally on markets. Reducing consumption reduces prices, thus increases demand elsewhere (e.g. in developing countries). Even the frequent economic recessions (the normal economic cycles in market economies) of the past did not lead to a decreasing global production in oil exporting countries, with one exception: The global COVID pandemic did reduce global oil production for few years (global demand reduction). A mandatory global trade of co2 exhaust certificates with yearly shrinking numbers could reduce CO2.

But how to convince China, the US, India, … or Nigeria, Indonesia???

Omitting or reducing the use of low-quality (high CO2) energy sources which aren‘t traded on global markets (e.g. lignite coal, peat) reduces CO2 exhausts. Regional bans for exploration (e.g. UKs policy on North Sea oil and gas) increases market prices and thus leads to exploration and subsequent production elsewhere.

To sum up: just national or regional demand reduction will not change course on global CO2 exhaust which we observe now.
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Message 2144821 - Posted: 4 Jan 2025, 21:09:59 UTC

... We really need a useable fusion power breakthrough sooner so as to have economics kill off the pollution...

So far, the politics has failed us...


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Message 2144845 - Posted: 5 Jan 2025, 15:36:44 UTC

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2025 tipped to be bumper year for EVs as emission laws change and new models arrive
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... Automotive industry experts say the race will be triggered by laws that set a pollution cap on new vehicles in Australia for the first time, catching up to regulations in other countries...

... The New Vehicle Efficiency Standard will come into effect from 1 January, setting a pollution limit for fleets of passenger vehicles and another for light commercial vehicles such as utes and large four-wheel drives...

... New electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles expected to arrive ... in 2025 include Volkswagen’s minivan ID.Buzz, Zeekr’s sleek X SUV, Hyundai’s compact Inster and Kia’s EV3 SUV.

Newer brands could set price records for electric cars that fell during 2024, Dia said, and could boost sales for entry-level and luxury vehicles...



... Just add wind and solar power!

(Shame about the old coal lobby over there...)


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Message 2144900 - Posted: 6 Jan 2025, 17:04:55 UTC - in response to Message 2144821.  
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... We really need a useable fusion power breakthrough sooner so as to have economics kill off the pollution...
I'm sure we will have fusion power in the future. I wasn't convinced, like 10 or 15 years ago. But... We can't state how many decades away this 'future' still is. Even then it will require further decades to really change things.

Then, since decades we know reliable, CO2 free fission power. Ignoring the pros and cons... it's even impossible to build sufficiently many of them to significantly reduce CO2 exhausts. So a 'Plan B' is urgently required, such that as much oil and gas as possible is left deep underground until 'Mr. Fusion' is available to power cars.
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