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Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1359 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
The first petrol cars in the early 20th century were clearly unsuitable for the Canadian winters. At some point they became 'suitable'. |
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EVs in the frost and ice of Norway work fine. So much so that EVs outsell the old fossils there... Aside: I've driven my EV through snow and ice this year, already, and on ungritted roads. All was good. The smooth traction control is fantastic. The aircon/heating worked fine. The conditions and extra time cost an additional 5% of battery. All good! Be Excellent!! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1359 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
EVs in the frost and ice of Norway work fine.Hmmm, the Norwegian climate is wet, quite cool but in particular 'oceanic'. Just on the (almost uninhabited) central southern mountain plateau (I think it's called 'Hardangervidda') it gets truly cold in winters. It would be interesting to know how (EV) things are East of the Skandes mountain range which blocks relatively warm Atlantic air, that is in Central and Northern Sweden or Finland where it's often and for long weeks really cold. Electricity is cheap* in Norway as well as in Sweden; I don't know about Finland. Privately owned homes rather than rental apartments are typical outside densely built-up city centers in Norway as well as in Sweden. This enables cheap charging at home overnight. No need to dig cable trenches for charging infrastructure first. Then, there's plenty of flexible hydro generation feeding the grid... Nuclear in SE/FI as well... Do I try to question why there are so few EVs sold in Germany? Maybe. * I'm no longer sure about Southern Norway with its multiple gigawatts of transit capacity from at least five HVDC links to the UK, NL, DE, and DK, which often multiplies prices at power exchanges on par to our insane continental scarcity prices. [EDIT to add:]Ahh, of course you have to pay hefty import tariffs for new as well as used foreign made cars in Norway. The only local car manufacturer produces... EVs. There aren't motorways in the sparsely populated Norway which spreads 1,750 kilometers (1,080 miles) to the North along deeply incised fjords, which makes long distances even longer. The few railways are really comfy but slow (students and pensioners). So, SAS and Norwegian Airlines domestic flights fulfill the function of long distance motorways and high speed railways on the continent. EVs are fantastic for the typical usage of cars in Norway. |
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Note: Nearly All New Cars Sold in Norway Were Electric in 2024 wrote: ... Elsewhere: All just a game of politics and greedy lobbying holding back the tide of positive progress? All on our only one planet... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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Elsewhere: All just a game of politics and greedy lobbying holding back the tide of positive progress?"Progress" = greenwashing and the acceleration of AGW Mother nature will eventually impose the only known solution, reduce the population of humans. |
Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1359 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
Some economists explain the impact of replacing ICE with BEV cars, thus reducing oil consumption, for global CO2 exhaust as non-existent or neglible. Their argument is: oil and petrol are traded globally on markets. Reducing consumption reduces prices, thus increases demand elsewhere (e.g. in developing countries). Even the frequent economic recessions (the normal economic cycles in market economies) of the past did not lead to a decreasing global production in oil exporting countries, with one exception: The global COVID pandemic did reduce global oil production for few years (global demand reduction). A mandatory global trade of co2 exhaust certificates with yearly shrinking numbers could reduce CO2. But how to convince China, the US, India, … or Nigeria, Indonesia??? Omitting or reducing the use of low-quality (high CO2) energy sources which aren‘t traded on global markets (e.g. lignite coal, peat) reduces CO2 exhausts. Regional bans for exploration (e.g. UKs policy on North Sea oil and gas) increases market prices and thus leads to exploration and subsequent production elsewhere. To sum up: just national or regional demand reduction will not change course on global CO2 exhaust which we observe now. |
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... We really need a useable fusion power breakthrough sooner so as to have economics kill off the pollution... So far, the politics has failed us... All on our only one planet... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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Australia: 2025 tipped to be bumper year for EVs as emission laws change and new models arrive wrote: ... Automotive industry experts say the race will be triggered by laws that set a pollution cap on new vehicles in Australia for the first time, catching up to regulations in other countries... ... Just add wind and solar power! (Shame about the old coal lobby over there...) All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1359 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
... We really need a useable fusion power breakthrough sooner so as to have economics kill off the pollution...I'm sure we will have fusion power in the future. I wasn't convinced, like 10 or 15 years ago. But... We can't state how many decades away this 'future' still is. Even then it will require further decades to really change things. Then, since decades we know reliable, CO2 free fission power. Ignoring the pros and cons... it's even impossible to build sufficiently many of them to significantly reduce CO2 exhausts. So a 'Plan B' is urgently required, such that as much oil and gas as possible is left deep underground until 'Mr. Fusion' is available to power cars. |
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