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Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24922 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
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As a result of them being found at fault for sinking a car carrier and a big court case a recall is now in action for the brand. Faulty batteries prompt recall on Porsche’s EV offering. Porsche’s leading electric car offering has been hit with an urgent recall notice by the federal transport department over battery issues.So much for German engineering. |
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Meanwhile, the way EVs are going, further, see: Tesla Backtrack BIG Style and Other (Almost) Breaking News! wrote: 01:16 Supermarkets Charge more! Quite a healthy mix for just one sample. Keep searchin'! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1354 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
So much for German engineering.German Engineering 'among cell modules in the high voltage battery'? I doubt that. This thought can be continued: What makes a German EV technically superior to a Chinese one? Oooops, hopefully customers won't realize this at some point. Then our industry will be in trouble. Diesel... yes..., but BEV? |
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Elon has a problem, he's building more cars than he's selling. ‘What the hell?’: Tesla renting shopping centre, airport car parks as unsold EVs pile up. Tesla is renting out shopping centre car parks to store unsold models as the electric carmaker faces flagging consumer demand and growing competition from cheaper Chinese competitors.It maybe time for a fire sale. |
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Our take on the subject. Are electric cars better for the environment than fuel-powered cars? Here's the verdict. Whether you drive an electric car or are considering making the switch, you've probably been drawn into a discussion about whether they are really better for the climate. |
Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24922 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
Doesn't bode well... Fatal battery fire ...South Korea is a leading producer of lithium batteries, which are used in many items from electric vehicles to laptops. |
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When there are plenty of discounted new 1's sitting in parking areas all over the place now (even shopping centre car parks) waiting for buyers you have to expected this to happen. Trying to sell a second hand Tesla is taking years in some cases and requiring hefty discounts, sparking anger among owners of the once-hot cars. A second hand Tesla that’s been listed for sale for the past four years without finding a buyer offers a stark insight into the challenges faced by Australians trying to offload older used electric vehicles. |
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The carnage continues to grow down under. How many will survive? The predicted ‘bloodbath’ in the Australian EV market is happening now and current owners are suffering, new data shows. As the electric vehicle (EV) market heats up, competition is becoming intense, particularly from Chinese automakers. |
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Having gone full all-electric BEV, it is already "Game Over" for the old ICE vehicles... It's merely the question of how soon and whether the full changeover is gracefully planned or if the industry falls into a dirty schoolyard silly fight of ignominy. ... And then there is the game of politics and the industrial scale 'lobbying' of the politicians. Such are the 'petrol heads' media articles... All on our only one planet... Martin Aside: In the recent foul weather and snow and frozen water ice, the electric drive easily out performed my old diesel. Range was within 5% of expectation/anticipation, and all for a fraction of the dirty old fuel costs. And all too easy to charge up overnight... Very good. How soon can the Politicians catch up? See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
W-K 666 ![]() Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19491 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 ![]() ![]() |
But what if it is not, And all too easy to charge up overnight... Very goodbecause your job takes you away from home at least once per week and the costs of charging are nearly twice the equivalent price of petrol. |
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Errrr... Nope. Even at the eye watering prices of 90p/kWh of motorway services, that is still cheaper per mile than diesel... I'm charging at 8p/kWh overnight off peak which makes fossils look stupid! I also have a personal overhead of connecting of mere seconds rather than the old smelly silliness of enroute (or out of my normal way) refuelling places... Also, no more silliness of plastic gloves and 'other silliness'. (There's a very good reason why ferries have multiple very different cafes/restaurants to accommodate transport people separately to other passengers...) I very quickly abandoned the distraction of looking at the fuel prices and avoiding wasting my time remembering how to contrive my travelling to fill up at the cheapest place... Also, no more worries about the quality/energy of whichever fuel stop... Actually, it is nicely reassuring that I'm guaranteed refuelling, for cheap, at my destinations and at home. All now relaxingly much easier! Simply, cleanly, better!!! Enjoy! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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Even the trains are going BEV: Onboard the UK's First Battery Electric Train! Way to go! Cleanly, quietly, faster. Enjoy! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1354 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
But what if it is not,... which is a specific European problem... or should I say German, British, Italian one.... those countries that are heavily dependent on electricity imports due to their irresponsible (in part ideological) energy policies. The BEV is superior to ICE cars; it's the future. Like AI or heating homes with heat pumps... it requires more reliable, cheap and clean electricity.And all too easy to charge up overnight... Very goodbecause your job takes you away from home at least once per week and the costs of charging are nearly twice the equivalent price of petrol. |
Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1354 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
Even the trains are going BEV:You can only applaud to such decisions. In my country they started a lot of ultra expensive 'projects' to operate regional commuter railways with hydrogen-driven trains; In my hometown they prepare a fleet of hydrogen fueled city busses. All these projects seem not be fit for service.... unexpected maintenance demand; exploding and unexpected costs; insufficient reliability... which drives commuters crazy. There are only few projects that try to electrify short sections of regional railways or endpoints of lines to charge BEV trains. And you can look into East European Cities who have electric trolley busses since almost a century. Put a small battery in them and they can easily drive around road construction works, making them almost flexible as Diesel busses. Take classic overhead lines add some batteries... That's simple, proven and reliable tech. It works and is far cheaper than hydrogen fueled trains. |
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Now here's something different by a partnership between Suzuki and an Aussie company, but you won't be able to get behind the wheel as there is none. This bold project aims to take ‘dull, dirty, difficult or dangerous’ jobs from Aussie drivers. You’ve never seen a Suzuki Jimny quite like this. (also know as a Samurai in some markets) |
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Lithium-ion battery technology that could last 20K charging cycles being tested "We charged it and discharged it 24/7 for about six years," Bond said in an interview with CBC News. "We brought it here and scanned it and we saw absolutely no signs of degradation. So this is after 20,000 charge discharge cycles, which is the equivalent of driving about eight million kilometres." Another article had an image of what happens in a standard battery after similar charge/discharge cycles: ![]() Currently batteries are required to keep 80% of their capacity after eight years' standard usage. I'm very hopeful about this development as battery degradation and the costs of replacement are preventing many people from buying electric vehicles, myself included. ![]() |
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Service distance is not a good model of the life of most batteries -number and type of charge/discharge cycle is better. Hence things like "80% discharge/recharge cycle", but even this isn't that good as how fast the charge & discharge are, resting periods, allowed temperatures all affect the life expectancy of a cell. (In one very sad case we blew up some "4000 cycle" cells in less than 1000 because the conditions of our cycle were nothing like those that the cell manufacturer thought we would use - they didn't read the spec... Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
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Correct... and one of the considerations that keeps myself and doubtless many others from EVs. Our Canadian winters can't help the battery life, and I'm sure using "superchargers" that overheat the batteries to the point that powerful fans are required to cool the array during charging aren't increasing their lifespan either. With 200K rated charge cycles, even harsh usage as you noted reducing it to 100K would still give 4M km of range which will outlast many other components of the vehicle (and the owner!) ![]() |
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