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Message 2134403 - Posted: 30 Mar 2024, 9:37:44 UTC

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Message 2135654 - Posted: 9 May 2024, 6:08:36 UTC

As a result of them being found at fault for sinking a car carrier and a big court case a recall is now in action for the brand.

Faulty batteries prompt recall on Porsche’s EV offering.

Porsche’s leading electric car offering has been hit with an urgent recall notice by the federal transport department over battery issues.

The department has issued the recall on Porsche Taycan models Y1A, Y1B and Y1C for the year range 2019-2023, citing a risk of vehicle fire.

The defect is suspected to affect 19 vehicles in Australia, with a list of vehicle identification numbers available on vehiclerecalls.gov.au.

It’s believed that a manufacturing issue among cell modules in the high voltage battery leaves the vehicle prone to short circuiting that could trigger overheating and a vehicle fire.

Owners of Porsche Taycans prone to the defect are urged to contact their preferred official Porsche centre dealer where a free repair will be arranged to prevent the fire risk.......
So much for German engineering.
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Message 2135692 - Posted: 10 May 2024, 15:18:33 UTC

Meanwhile, the way EVs are going, further, see:


Tesla Backtrack BIG Style and Other (Almost) Breaking News!
wrote:
01:16 Supermarkets Charge more!
03.39 Energy blockage
06:10 Super Efficient Solar
07:45 Tesla Autonomous Taxis
10:14 It’s the end for oil
13:23 Volta Trucks are BACK!
14:27 Battery News
16:10 EVs by the sh** load
17:14 Is 1000km range enough?
20:04 Hyundai US sales skyrocket!



Quite a healthy mix for just one sample.

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Message 2135857 - Posted: 15 May 2024, 12:03:10 UTC - in response to Message 2135654.  
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So much for German engineering.
German Engineering 'among cell modules in the high voltage battery'? I doubt that.

This thought can be continued: What makes a German EV technically superior to a Chinese one? Oooops, hopefully customers won't realize this at some point. Then our industry will be in trouble. Diesel... yes..., but BEV?
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Message 2135950 - Posted: 17 May 2024, 19:44:10 UTC

Elon has a problem, he's building more cars than he's selling.

‘What the hell?’: Tesla renting shopping centre, airport car parks as unsold EVs pile up.

Tesla is renting out shopping centre car parks to store unsold models as the electric carmaker faces flagging consumer demand and growing competition from cheaper Chinese competitors.

First-quarter sales figures released by Tesla last month revealed it produced 433,371 vehicles in the first three months of 2024 but delivered 386,810 — a whopping 8.5 per cent decline compared with the same period last year.

In the first three months of 2023, Tesla produced 440,808 vehicles and delivered 422,875, a difference of 17,993. In the first three months of 2024, Tesla produced 46,561 more vehicles than it delivered......
It maybe time for a fire sale.
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Message 2136379 - Posted: 27 May 2024, 20:43:57 UTC

Our take on the subject.

Are electric cars better for the environment than fuel-powered cars? Here's the verdict.

Whether you drive an electric car or are considering making the switch, you've probably been drawn into a discussion about whether they are really better for the climate.

Electric cars are key to the world reducing emissions, with transport accounting for almost 20 per cent and rising, so you probably haven't had that debate for the last time.

To save you from your next barbecue encounter, we have turned to the EV Council, which has crunched the numbers for you.

We're comparing an electric car and a traditional petrol one and looking at the life-cycle emissions — that is, all the emissions produced from cradle to grave......
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Message 2137550 - Posted: 24 Jun 2024, 16:13:20 UTC

Doesn't bode well...
Fatal battery fire
...South Korea is a leading producer of lithium batteries, which are used in many items from electric vehicles to laptops.
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Message 2137909 - Posted: 4 Jul 2024, 6:08:05 UTC

When there are plenty of discounted new 1's sitting in parking areas all over the place now (even shopping centre car parks) waiting for buyers you have to expected this to happen.

Trying to sell a second hand Tesla is taking years in some cases and requiring hefty discounts, sparking anger among owners of the once-hot cars.

A second hand Tesla that’s been listed for sale for the past four years without finding a buyer offers a stark insight into the challenges faced by Australians trying to offload older used electric vehicles.

The 2015 Model S in question is almost a decade old and has 115,000 kilometres on the clock, with some visible wear and tear across its interior.

Despite its age and the fact it’s sat unsold since July 2020, the current owner is seeking $86,800, although the price has been discounted by almost $16,000 over the years. Used car valuations site RedBook puts the guide for such a car in a considerably lower range of $51,400 to $57,300......
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Message 2142430 - Posted: 25 Oct 2024, 19:32:21 UTC

The carnage continues to grow down under. How many will survive?

The predicted ‘bloodbath’ in the Australian EV market is happening now and current owners are suffering, new data shows.

As the electric vehicle (EV) market heats up, competition is becoming intense, particularly from Chinese automakers.

This new wave of EVs means that established brands have had to adapt their strategy and offer aggressive new models.

But it’s also ignited a price war between established brands and new entrants.

Earlier this week Mitsubishi CEO Shaun Westcott predicted a “bloodbath” but new data from Thebeep.com.au reveals blood is already being lost with some players slashing prices on EVs.

Thebeep.com.au founder Rob Leigh said the continued price cuts were already destabilising the EV market.

“As newer and more niche brands continue to cut pricing, the EV market is becoming increasingly volatile and it is unclear when it will stabilise,” he said.

EV prices have been steadily falling throughout 2024 but the latest data reveals that lesser-known Chinese brands are aggressively cutting prices, while established automakers are refraining from participation in the price war......
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Message 2143466 - Posted: 27 Nov 2024, 15:18:38 UTC

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Message 2143470 - Posted: 27 Nov 2024, 17:51:25 UTC
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Having gone full all-electric BEV, it is already "Game Over" for the old ICE vehicles...

It's merely the question of how soon and whether the full changeover is gracefully planned or if the industry falls into a dirty schoolyard silly fight of ignominy.

... And then there is the game of politics and the industrial scale 'lobbying' of the politicians.

Such are the 'petrol heads' media articles...


All on our only one planet...
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Aside: In the recent foul weather and snow and frozen water ice, the electric drive easily out performed my old diesel. Range was within 5% of expectation/anticipation, and all for a fraction of the dirty old fuel costs. And all too easy to charge up overnight... Very good.

How soon can the Politicians catch up?
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Message 2143491 - Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 1:27:46 UTC - in response to Message 2143470.  

But what if it is not,
And all too easy to charge up overnight... Very good
because your job takes you away from home at least once per week and the costs of charging are nearly twice the equivalent price of petrol.
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Message 2143492 - Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 2:04:14 UTC - in response to Message 2143491.  
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Errrr... Nope.

Even at the eye watering prices of 90p/kWh of motorway services, that is still cheaper per mile than diesel...

I'm charging at 8p/kWh overnight off peak which makes fossils look stupid!

I also have a personal overhead of connecting of mere seconds rather than the old smelly silliness of enroute (or out of my normal way) refuelling places...

Also, no more silliness of plastic gloves and 'other silliness'.

(There's a very good reason why ferries have multiple very different cafes/restaurants to accommodate transport people separately to other passengers...)


I very quickly abandoned the distraction of looking at the fuel prices and avoiding wasting my time remembering how to contrive my travelling to fill up at the cheapest place... Also, no more worries about the quality/energy of whichever fuel stop...

Actually, it is nicely reassuring that I'm guaranteed refuelling, for cheap, at my destinations and at home.


All now relaxingly much easier!

Simply, cleanly, better!!!


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Message 2143493 - Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 2:08:07 UTC

Even the trains are going BEV:


Onboard the UK's First Battery Electric Train!



Way to go!

Cleanly, quietly, faster.


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Message 2143495 - Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 8:42:46 UTC - in response to Message 2143491.  

But what if it is not,
And all too easy to charge up overnight... Very good
because your job takes you away from home at least once per week and the costs of charging are nearly twice the equivalent price of petrol.
... which is a specific European problem... or should I say German, British, Italian one.... those countries that are heavily dependent on electricity imports due to their irresponsible (in part ideological) energy policies. The BEV is superior to ICE cars; it's the future. Like AI or heating homes with heat pumps... it requires more reliable, cheap and clean electricity.
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Message 2143497 - Posted: 28 Nov 2024, 8:52:24 UTC - in response to Message 2143493.  
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Even the trains are going BEV:
You can only applaud to such decisions.

In my country they started a lot of ultra expensive 'projects' to operate regional commuter railways with hydrogen-driven trains; In my hometown they prepare a fleet of hydrogen fueled city busses. All these projects seem not be fit for service.... unexpected maintenance demand; exploding and unexpected costs; insufficient reliability... which drives commuters crazy.

There are only few projects that try to electrify short sections of regional railways or endpoints of lines to charge BEV trains. And you can look into East European Cities who have electric trolley busses since almost a century. Put a small battery in them and they can easily drive around road construction works, making them almost flexible as Diesel busses. Take classic overhead lines add some batteries... That's simple, proven and reliable tech. It works and is far cheaper than hydrogen fueled trains.
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Message 2143868 - Posted: 11 Dec 2024, 2:16:50 UTC

Now here's something different by a partnership between Suzuki and an Aussie company, but you won't be able to get behind the wheel as there is none.

This bold project aims to take ‘dull, dirty, difficult or dangerous’ jobs from Aussie drivers.

You’ve never seen a Suzuki Jimny quite like this. (also know as a Samurai in some markets)

A tie-up between Australian software and robotics specialist Applied EV and Suzuki has birthed the Blanc Robot, an autonomous electric vehicle that has been specifically designed for “dull, dirty, difficult or dangerous” operations.

The Blanc Robot uses the same ladder-chassis underpinnings as the five-door Suzuki Jimny XL, and while its bodiless, blank-canvas design may not be discernible as being a Suzuki-based product based on the com-gen images, the Aussie business says it worked closely with the Japanese small-car specialist to get the project off the ground.......
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Message 2144306 - Posted: 21 Dec 2024, 13:26:23 UTC

Lithium-ion battery technology that could last 20K charging cycles being tested

"We charged it and discharged it 24/7 for about six years," Bond said in an interview with CBC News. "We brought it here and scanned it and we saw absolutely no signs of degradation. So this is after 20,000 charge discharge cycles, which is the equivalent of driving about eight million kilometres."

The main difference between the two batteries is in the electrodes. On a standard battery, the electrodes are made of particles 50 times smaller than the width of a hair, which in turn are made of even tinier crystals. The new battery is just one big crystal, meaning it's a more solid structure that is resistant to mechanical stress.


Another article had an image of what happens in a standard battery after similar charge/discharge cycles:



Currently batteries are required to keep 80% of their capacity after eight years' standard usage. I'm very hopeful about this development as battery degradation and the costs of replacement are preventing many people from buying electric vehicles, myself included.
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Message 2144307 - Posted: 21 Dec 2024, 13:52:57 UTC - in response to Message 2144306.  

Service distance is not a good model of the life of most batteries -number and type of charge/discharge cycle is better. Hence things like "80% discharge/recharge cycle", but even this isn't that good as how fast the charge & discharge are, resting periods, allowed temperatures all affect the life expectancy of a cell. (In one very sad case we blew up some "4000 cycle" cells in less than 1000 because the conditions of our cycle were nothing like those that the cell manufacturer thought we would use - they didn't read the spec...
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Message 2144308 - Posted: 21 Dec 2024, 13:59:11 UTC - in response to Message 2144307.  

Correct... and one of the considerations that keeps myself and doubtless many others from EVs. Our Canadian winters can't help the battery life, and I'm sure using "superchargers" that overheat the batteries to the point that powerful fans are required to cool the array during charging aren't increasing their lifespan either. With 200K rated charge cycles, even harsh usage as you noted reducing it to 100K would still give 4M km of range which will outlast many other components of the vehicle (and the owner!)
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