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Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3797 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
As a user of leg power and public transportation, I agree with a lot of this list. I do have to wonder what has happened to gas use in the US since the mid-90s, as well as accidents/mortality since then. Average MPG has doubled since the 1970s, but only increased from about 20 to 25 since the 1990s. The industry ends up making larger and heavier vehicles when efficiency improves, which minimize the gains. Source. Deaths per distance per capita has been on average falling since the 1960s and is close to its lowest point. We can probably thank seat belts, air bags, laws and social pressure against DUI and anti-lock brakes as major contributors. Source. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
As a user of leg power and public transportation, I agree with a lot of this list. I do have to wonder what has happened to gas use in the US since the mid-90s, as well as accidents/mortality since then. My car in 1994 was getting mpg in the high 30s. :) Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36387 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Anywhere around the village here I've always walked and now that there's a chemist in the village my big old wagon hardly ever leaves the shed these days. But when it does get out the 4.0L 18v OHC 6 effortlessly gobbles up the miles and hills while averaging 10km/L or 10L/100km or 25mpg US or 28mpg Imp. in standard cruise control mode (I think that I've got all those standards covered and as I live right on the highway cruise control gets activated as soon as I leave the village limits). It's also good for towing a 8'x5' box trailer with 1500kg in it (though she will chew up a bit of juice doing that). ;-) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21017 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Here are some real world numbers for the UK motorist: Fuel prices: Could I save money driving an electric car? wrote: There are nearly half a million electric cars in the UK, and rising fuel prices have prompted more people to consider making the switch. Easy obvious choice: My next car will be all-electric. All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21017 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... Easy obvious choice: My next car will be all-electric. And here's an interesting list of choices for choosing what type of EV: EV-flow-chart.pdf Go cleaner! All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Very commendable. Unfortunately, much too early for "everyone" to switch to EV's. Main reason is the logistics required. Too much shortsightedness & hasty decisions. 2 classic examples: Heathrow & Boeing. I'll believe in EV's when D&DoG are capable of achieving both power & range. Until that happens, diesel will be with us for a considerable time. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19317 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Make sure you know the full costs of charger installation. My Cousin called me last week and asked if he could come round and park his bum here for the day. His neighbour was having highish power charger installed, but this involved upgrading the supply to his property. Unfortunately the supply cable from the road was shared between the properties so my cousins also had to be upgraded. Which also involved digging up his driveway. His neighbour got an unexpected £3,500 extra expense. And my cousin is not happy with the 'new' driveway. The United Utilities guy said there was even worse problems with some terraced houses built in the 50's and 60's where there is one supply cable per four houses. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Leg power over petrol! 45 Minutes to Work at 75mph and 45 Minutes Back Home at 75 mph Leg Power? Yep, Holding Down Gas Pedal was a mO fO SUPERLeg May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21017 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
What leg do the Denialists have against reality?... Compare: Are Electric Cars Worse For The Environment? Note: That is from 2018... What are we waiting for?... (Cough, splutter, choke...) All on our only one planet... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
I Lived in Southern Kali and San Fran Area in 73-74. And Beltway Area Around DC before and After. Those were da Days of Sputter; Cough; Choke. Air Nowadays is SO MUCH BETTER. Mega Better. At Least My Nose; Lungs; Eyes Tell Me. In USA, Where does One See: Smell; Taste the Grey Pallor of Smog Anymore? SUPERWayBetter. May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21017 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
To drive a little more recently, we have this from a self-admitting "Petrolhead" from 2021: ICE vs EV - IN-DEPTH comparison of BATTERY ELECTRIC and INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE vehicles wrote: ... talk about performance, torque, weight, transmissions, maintenance, running costs as well as the future aspects for car enthusiasts... That is quite an illuminating crash course! All on a different planet? (Cough, splutter, choke...) All on our only one planet... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Every Time a Story is 'bout Something Happening in a US of A City - a from a Distance Pic is Shown of City. I Never see a PALL of SMOGGY Air in da Pic. Blue CLEAR Beautiful SKIEs with TASTY Air. UNLESS an ELECTRIC VEHICLEs BATTERIES have EXPLODED and BURNING Furiously BLACKENING da Sky. https://www.westernjournal.com/alarming-two-electric-buses-spontaneously-explode-entire-fleet-taken-off-road-city/ Breathe DEEP da Gathering...... SUPERChoke May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21017 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Do we need to wonder who the 'lobbyists' are that are hell bent on profitably burning yet more oil?... (And burning more of our planet...) Motorists could have saved $5.9bn on fuel if efficiency standards were introduced in 2015, The Australia Institute report finds wrote: Australian motorists could have saved $5.9 billion on fuel costs if efficiency standards [had been] introduced in 2015... All a very profitable game for a small few whilst we burn our planet ever more quickly for everyone else?... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
STOP DRIVING ELECTRIC Says SUPERCAGuv. Youse Bringing Down da Power Supply. Can't Cook Dinna YO!!!! SUPERROTFLMMFAO May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
I Don't Click on Links Not Giving a Clue to Content SUPER(B) May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21017 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
I Don't Click on Links Not Giving a Clue to Content For a rarity: Agreed. Clickbait?... Why would we want to be suckers to that game eh? Keep searchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3318 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 |
Waiting for the big kaboom when they explode. Tesla’s Big Batteries Aren’t the Fire Problem. Lithium Is ... The large-scale use comes with significant risks, although most modern power systems choose this formulation because it boasts higher energy density, as well as greater charging and discharging efficiency. However, lithium-ion batteries have a volatile, flammable electrolyte. So, while there are safeguards to avoid fires, all the combustible ingredients are still there. Flames can accelerate through chain reactions, known as thermal runaway. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22455 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Please get your headline correct, don't use lazy tabloid techniques. The article points the finger for the fires not at Lithium but at the electrolyte used in these batteries. One thing overlooked by so may journalists when they rant about battery fires is that they can happen with just about every battery chemistry in use given the right (wrong?) set of conditions. I've been lead investigator into quite a number lead-acid battery fires & explosion, nickel-cadmium fires (never got to an explosion, but colleagues did), nickel-metal hydride fires & explosions. Arriving at the scene of a battery explosion is not the greatest thing to see or dig through the debris to find the seat of the event as invariably the fire brigade have dumped massive amounts of water everywhere to wash the corrosive electrolyte off the scene, then raked through to get the last of it out. It was always best if we could get there early and talk to the senior fire officer on-site and explain that we had the protective gear and needed to see certain areas before they raked them to oblivion then we could determine the cause, with the objective of not having to go to another such fire or explosion, but...... As to the two most common causes - incorrect charge management and incorrect cell maintenance, which is much the same with Lithium cells. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
I LOVE Electric Vehicles. As Long as they have NO BATTERIEs. At Least Batteries Currently Available. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/electric-vehicles-exploding-water-damage-hurricane-ian-top-florida-official-warns Fire and Explosions. Not my thang I used to Work for a Milwaukee, WI based Co. They Loved comin' to VA and Seeing All the OLD Cars in GREAT SHAPE. Cars up there ROTTED/RUSTED in a Few Years Time. WONDER how Electric Vehicles and Their BATTERIEs Fare Up There? SUPER(B) May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
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