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Message 2101229 - Posted: 12 Jun 2022, 21:56:47 UTC - in response to Message 2101216.  

As a user of leg power and public transportation, I agree with a lot of this list. I do have to wonder what has happened to gas use in the US since the mid-90s, as well as accidents/mortality since then.


Average MPG has doubled since the 1970s, but only increased from about 20 to 25 since the 1990s. The industry ends up making larger and heavier vehicles when efficiency improves, which minimize the gains. Source.

Deaths per distance per capita has been on average falling since the 1960s and is close to its lowest point. We can probably thank seat belts, air bags, laws and social pressure against DUI and anti-lock brakes as major contributors. Source.
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Message 2101235 - Posted: 12 Jun 2022, 23:53:52 UTC - in response to Message 2101229.  

As a user of leg power and public transportation, I agree with a lot of this list. I do have to wonder what has happened to gas use in the US since the mid-90s, as well as accidents/mortality since then.


Average MPG has doubled since the 1970s, but only increased from about 20 to 25 since the 1990s. The industry ends up making larger and heavier vehicles when efficiency improves, which minimize the gains. Source.

Deaths per distance per capita has been on average falling since the 1960s and is close to its lowest point. We can probably thank seat belts, air bags, laws and social pressure against DUI and anti-lock brakes as major contributors. Source.


My car in 1994 was getting mpg in the high 30s. :)
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Message 2101238 - Posted: 13 Jun 2022, 0:27:52 UTC

Anywhere around the village here I've always walked and now that there's a chemist in the village my big old wagon hardly ever leaves the shed these days.

But when it does get out the 4.0L 18v OHC 6 effortlessly gobbles up the miles and hills while averaging 10km/L or 10L/100km or 25mpg US or 28mpg Imp. in standard cruise control mode (I think that I've got all those standards covered and as I live right on the highway cruise control gets activated as soon as I leave the village limits).

It's also good for towing a 8'x5' box trailer with 1500kg in it (though she will chew up a bit of juice doing that). ;-)
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Message 2101530 - Posted: 18 Jun 2022, 22:28:08 UTC
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Here are some real world numbers for the UK motorist:


Fuel prices: Could I save money driving an electric car?
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There are nearly half a million electric cars in the UK, and rising fuel prices have prompted more people to consider making the switch.

The government is banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030, a decade earlier than originally planned. It unexpectedly cancelled its electric vehicle (EV) grant for cars with immediate effect, arguing it was having "little effect on rapidly accelerating sales".

What does it cost to charge an EV?...


Easy obvious choice: My next car will be all-electric.



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Message 2102033 - Posted: 26 Jun 2022, 14:23:32 UTC - in response to Message 2101530.  
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... Easy obvious choice: My next car will be all-electric.

And here's an interesting list of choices for choosing what type of EV:

EV-flow-chart.pdf

Go cleaner!


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Message 2102036 - Posted: 26 Jun 2022, 15:33:07 UTC - in response to Message 2102033.  

Very commendable.
Unfortunately, much too early for "everyone" to switch to EV's.
Main reason is the logistics required.
Too much shortsightedness & hasty decisions.
2 classic examples: Heathrow & Boeing.
I'll believe in EV's when D&DoG are capable of achieving both power & range.
Until that happens, diesel will be with us for a considerable time.
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Message 2102072 - Posted: 27 Jun 2022, 0:36:26 UTC - in response to Message 2101530.  

Make sure you know the full costs of charger installation.

My Cousin called me last week and asked if he could come round and park his bum here for the day. His neighbour was having highish power charger installed, but this involved upgrading the supply to his property. Unfortunately the supply cable from the road was shared between the properties so my cousins also had to be upgraded. Which also involved digging up his driveway.
His neighbour got an unexpected £3,500 extra expense. And my cousin is not happy with the 'new' driveway.

The United Utilities guy said there was even worse problems with some terraced houses built in the 50's and 60's where there is one supply cable per four houses.
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Message 2103892 - Posted: 27 Jul 2022, 3:40:39 UTC

Leg power over petrol!


45 Minutes to Work at 75mph and 45 Minutes Back Home at 75 mph

Leg Power? Yep, Holding Down Gas Pedal was a mO fO

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Message 2103925 - Posted: 27 Jul 2022, 16:28:22 UTC

What leg do the Denialists have against reality?...


Compare:

Are Electric Cars Worse For The Environment?


Note: That is from 2018...

What are we waiting for?...
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Message 2103927 - Posted: 27 Jul 2022, 16:46:07 UTC

I Lived in Southern Kali and San Fran Area in 73-74.

And Beltway Area Around DC before and After.

Those were da Days of Sputter; Cough; Choke.

Air Nowadays is SO MUCH BETTER. Mega Better.
At Least My Nose; Lungs; Eyes Tell Me.

In USA, Where does One See: Smell; Taste the Grey Pallor of Smog Anymore?

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Message 2103929 - Posted: 27 Jul 2022, 17:02:41 UTC
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To drive a little more recently, we have this from a self-admitting "Petrolhead" from 2021:


ICE vs EV - IN-DEPTH comparison of BATTERY ELECTRIC and INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE vehicles
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... talk about performance, torque, weight, transmissions, maintenance, running costs as well as the future aspects for car enthusiasts...



That is quite an illuminating crash course!

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Message 2103935 - Posted: 27 Jul 2022, 19:38:37 UTC

Every Time a Story is 'bout Something Happening in a US of A City - a from a Distance Pic is Shown of City.

I Never see a PALL of SMOGGY Air in da Pic. Blue CLEAR Beautiful SKIEs with TASTY Air.

UNLESS an ELECTRIC VEHICLEs BATTERIES have EXPLODED and BURNING Furiously BLACKENING da Sky.

https://www.westernjournal.com/alarming-two-electric-buses-spontaneously-explode-entire-fleet-taken-off-road-city/

Breathe DEEP da Gathering......

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Message 2104666 - Posted: 8 Aug 2022, 16:39:18 UTC

Do we need to wonder who the 'lobbyists' are that are hell bent on profitably burning yet more oil?... (And burning more of our planet...)


Motorists could have saved $5.9bn on fuel if efficiency standards were introduced in 2015, The Australia Institute report finds
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Australian motorists could have saved $5.9 billion on fuel costs if efficiency standards [had been] introduced in 2015...

... Demand for electric vehicles in Australia is currently outstripping supply.

Electric Vehicle Council chief executive Behyad Jafari said the introduction of fuel efficiency standards would encourage manufacturers to increase supply to Australia.

"If we want to see larger and more frequent shipments of EVs to Australia, government should ignore the weak standards some in industry are lobbying for,"...



All a very profitable game for a small few whilst we burn our planet ever more quickly for everyone else?...

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