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Message 2092327 - Posted: 17 Jan 2022, 6:45:58 UTC

Another EV problem, to my mind, is will people be forced to trade in their car once the Li batteries are shot and can no longer be charged since the cost of the batteries are a significant portion of the overall cost of the car. Also I agree with you Gary, the real problem facing the world is over population.
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Message 2092356 - Posted: 17 Jan 2022, 15:52:13 UTC - in response to Message 2092327.  

Another EV problem, to my mind, is will people be forced to trade in their car once the Li batteries are shot and can no longer be charged since the cost of the batteries are a significant portion of the overall cost of the car. Also I agree with you Gary, the real problem facing the world is over population.

The age of the battery is probably going to affect the 2nd owner not the person that originally bought the car. According to https://www.statista.com/statistics/581017/average-length-of-vehicle-ownership-in-the-united-states-by-vehicle-type/, on average, a new car is changed after 79 months, which is below the often quoted 10 year battery life.

The car manufacturers estimate the average electric car will be charged twice a week, so about 1000 charge/discharge cycles in 10 years.
There have been stories that the electric companies would like electric car owner to keep their cars plugged in so the battery can be used for energy storage, to be used when green energy is in short supply.
Are those energy companies going to pay the $10 dollars each discharge/charge costs you? *

*N.B. The UK has less than 40 minutes storage capacity for green energy generation.
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Message 2092371 - Posted: 17 Jan 2022, 21:33:57 UTC

Yeah. Over Population of Cars on Roadways.

Electric Vehicles will FIX Dat!!!!!

Most EVs WILL NOT be on Roads. They Will be ON CHARGE or At da REPAIR Shop.

NOT on Roads!!!!!!

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Message 2092372 - Posted: 17 Jan 2022, 21:36:00 UTC - in response to Message 2092356.  

The car manufacturers estimate the average electric car will be charged twice a week, so about 1000 charge/discharge cycles in 10 years.
Given the real world numbers posted and given the actual commute distances in the USA, I find the estimate to be well off the mark. Even assuming perfect conditions, daylight, no stops, car only used between home and work, parked on the weekends, I'd expect three times a week. Once you factor in weather, traffic jams, hills, the daily lunch run, the grocery runs, weekend shopping, the Sunday church run ... I'd expect it gets plugged in every day. 1000 charges comes before three years or 36 months.

OBW the 1000 number is the same number quoted when I got my very first iPod, a couple decades ago. I don't think battery tech is evolving in that direction.
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Message 2092374 - Posted: 17 Jan 2022, 21:59:35 UTC - in response to Message 2092372.  
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My very quick search for U.S. commute distance or time indicates 16 miles each way, first item on list, and about 30 minutes each way form the census bureau .
Which would indicate to me that commuting would on average, account for one charge/week. Assuming about 2/3's the average manufacturers claimed distance for a medium sized sedan. The other third lost in using lights, wipers and heater or AC, etc
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Message 2092378 - Posted: 17 Jan 2022, 22:49:25 UTC

How Many Times do GAS Powered Cars get Fueled per week?

I Don't Believe Every One is Same. Some Fill Up when at 3/4 Full. Some at 1/4 Full. Others a Scooch Over Empty. Many At Empty.

From Empty to Full the 'Fill Up'. Depends on ONEs Paranoia and Available Funds or Both. Add to dat - a Charging Station NOT on Every
Corner as is a GAS Station. How 'bout when POWER Goes out at Your House and CHARGING HALTs till Power Goes Back On. I've had
Storms Cut Electricity fo Many Days. Once fo 9 Days. Area BlackOuts around Country have Sometimes Lasted Weeks. Whoops my Portable
Generator is OUT of GAS and Besides I Don't have a Generator to Car Charging Appliance/Cord. OOOOPs.

Many Gas Stations are Open when Power Goes Out.

I Like to Run Out of Gas and Walk Many Miles Home for Help. heeeheeeheee

How is this 'FILLING UP' going to be in EV World? I Say da PARANOIA will be Greater. And Available 'Filling Up' Opportunities MUCH LESS.

Not to Worry RATFACE and Co. Will Have it ALL FIGURED OUT.

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Message 2092383 - Posted: 17 Jan 2022, 22:58:06 UTC - in response to Message 2092378.  
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Fantasy, modern gas pumps need electricity to work, modern cash registers need electricity to work as do crdit card machines so payment can't be made.
You are just spouting BS as usual.
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Message 2092388 - Posted: 17 Jan 2022, 23:06:05 UTC

Gas Stations have BIG aka GIGANTO Tanks of GAS.

I Would Bet they have Back-Up GENs to STAY in Business.

Yes BS. aka BRILLIANT SURMISING.

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Message 2092390 - Posted: 17 Jan 2022, 23:15:18 UTC - in response to Message 2092388.  

Those of us who live on the ring of fire know they don't have backup. Might ask Texan's last winter.
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Message 2092394 - Posted: 18 Jan 2022, 1:16:33 UTC

Do You Believe Those Who Did NOT have Back-up then, Now Do?

I Do.

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Message 2092397 - Posted: 18 Jan 2022, 1:31:50 UTC - in response to Message 2092394.  

they would have to admit global warming if they did
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Message 2093549 - Posted: 5 Feb 2022, 4:33:31 UTC

Of All da Powered Things in Life - Ones Most of Time have Failed when Needed Most - Are Battery Operated.

Electric Vehicles will be Same.

At Least Until Electric Motor can be Powered by Other Means than Battery

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Message 2093550 - Posted: 5 Feb 2022, 5:21:34 UTC

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Message 2094358 - Posted: 17 Feb 2022, 20:03:19 UTC

Too Many GHOSTs in da Machine

Make Electric Vehicle with 60s Tech.

Too Much Failing Electronics and Software with TODAYs Tech

JUICE; Electric Motor; and Go Go Go

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Message 2095522 - Posted: 8 Mar 2022, 2:55:18 UTC

There are Cars 50+ Years Old Using Same Gas Tank it Rolled off Assembly Line With.

After 50+ Years - How Many Times will Original Battery Packs be REPLACED in an Electric Vehicle?

A Gas Tank can be Crushed; Shredded; Melted and Made into New Bar of Steel - to be made into ........

Wat are 50+ Years of Battery Packs going to End Up As - Except Piles of Dangerous REFUSE?

Fill 'er Up

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Message 2095530 - Posted: 8 Mar 2022, 7:08:29 UTC

I bet that that 50+yr old car has had its battery changed at least half a dozen times. ;-)
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Message 2095566 - Posted: 9 Mar 2022, 3:08:17 UTC

When it is Time to Replace Batteries in Electric Car, I'm Bettin' da COST of REPLACEMENT would EQUAL or MUCH MORE in $$$$$$$ than Payin' for GAS Years and Years and Years.

I Hope I Live Long Enough to Witness ALL da PROBLEMs with Electric Vehicles People are Gunna Confront and Beach About.

Electric Vehicles are GREAT - If POWERED by Electricity Not Provided by Batteries.

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Message 2095573 - Posted: 9 Mar 2022, 4:23:47 UTC

Have you seen the way that the price of lead/acid batteries has gone up over the last 6-8yrs?

And then there's clutches/torque converters, exhaust systems, cooling systems and many other bits and pieces that need replacing over that time as well, if not needing the engine/gearbox reconditioned a couple of times if use regularly over all that time (and that can be costly in itself).
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Message 2097218 - Posted: 6 Apr 2022, 0:00:05 UTC

Poor Richie Riches on da Show 'Lack of a View'. Poor widdle Richie Riches

https://www.foxnews.com/media/the-view-targets-tesla-response-elon-musk-twitter-stock-purchase?msclkid=4689e114b53b11ec8ad2108fa62a01a8

Sounds Like they Want E.M to - In Person Come - Rescue them When their Electric Vehicle Strands them.

BahWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa BahWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

NOPE

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Message 2097259 - Posted: 6 Apr 2022, 12:00:17 UTC

In this month's Car and Driver there is a good article about start up Electric car company "Lucid". They are making their first cars available for sale right now.

You can get one with decent range and blistering performance for a scant $175,000. Perfect for me if I could just overcome any range anxiety that may crop up each time that I took the wheel or went on a longer trip.

By the by....... what does it cost per KWH to recharge these days?--should be a lot cheaper than the now average $60-$80 fill up.
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