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Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
OK, I've now suffered enough range anxiety for January, and probably the rest of the year..... This is what I was afraid of. Overly optimistic reporting by media people who want to get rid of petro fueled vehicles to the point that they will exaggerate every feature of electric vehicles.. Like they don't tell you things such as cold weather heavily impact range and the colder the worse the range gets. No one mentions the cost of a replacement battery pack and that rapid recharging shortens the life of the batteries. There are many issues that are being either totally ignored or at least heavily downplayed. I am fairly sure that all electric personal vehicles will not be readily available in what is left of my lifetime. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31006 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Overly optimistic reporting by media people who want to get rid of petro fueled vehiclesBZZZZZT The media is just reprinting the press release from the manufacturer who wants to make bigger profits. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Back in '73 going from Compton to Long Beach around 6AM. My Eyes were stinging/watering and Breathing Air was Yucky. Traffic on Freeway was Bumper to Bumper at a GOoD Pace. Might have been Speed Limit. Yes. Air was HORRID. I Bet Today, the Same Trip at Same Time with Equal Conditions, The Air is Sweet as Sweet can Be. Meaning; We Don't Need No Electric Vehicles for Air Quality. People Want Them for Some Other Reason - GO FOR IT. It Will Be FUN to Watch. Yep May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36779 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
I bet that the air would be warmer and that you're totally missing the point of them. ;-) Maybe this would be more your taste? Oh yeah baby. :-) Even more oh yeah baby. :-D And yet to come is Ken Block’s Audi S1 Hoonitron :-O |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22528 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
I think you are hitting the nail on the head. Much of today's media are either too lazy, or too incapable, or both, to do real-world tests of new cars. These so-called motoring journalists get flown off to some exotic location where they are wined and dined then given a quick trip round the area in a nice new car, then return to more wining and dining. Gone are the days when they would have a car for days if not weeks, trash it mercilessly round a track for a day and at the end of this abuse write the report, including the fuel consumption for various aspects of the test. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
I think you are hitting the nail on the head. Much of today's media are either too lazy, or too incapable, or both, to do real-world tests of new cars. These so-called motoring journalists get flown off to some exotic location where they are wined and dined then given a quick trip round the area in a nice new car, then return to more wining and dining. Gone are the days when they would have a car for days if not weeks, trash it mercilessly round a track for a day and at the end of this abuse write the report, including the fuel consumption for various aspects of the test. You want reporters doing statistical analysis (n = 1) rather than statisticians? Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31006 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I'd like a populace who are smart enough to tell the difference between regurgitated pap and investigative journalism, and demand the latter. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Electric Motors are Incredible. Gearboxes connected to Electric Motors are Incredible. Most Gas-Powered Cars are Masterworks of Technology. An Electric Vehicle is a Masterwork of Technology. Batteries for Electric Vehicles are NOT Up to Task. Batteries Up to Task would be ASTRONOMICAL in Cost. There are Gas-Powered Cars with Mega Hundreds of Thousand Miles on Them. Still start and Engines Purring Like a Mo Fo. Like My Once Owned Datsun 1980 280ZX. Few MINUTES Pumpin' in da Gas and 600+ Miles before Next Fill-Up. I've gotten 700+ Miles from Fill-UPs Let me Know when and Electric Car Will Do This. Replacing Batteries Every 8-10-12 Years for 20 THOUSAND Plus. C'mon Man. Recharges Getting One Hardly Anywhere and Then a LENGTHY Charge-Up. I could Go Across U S of A with 5 Fill-Ups with Many a Gas-Powered Car. C'mon Man Yep May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19399 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
The answer has already been given. https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=85812&postid=2091480#2091480 |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
I'd like a populace who are smart enough to tell the difference between regurgitated pap and investigative journalism, and demand the latter. Am quite unaware of a large percentage purchasing cars on the basis of journalism, good journalism or otherwise. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Electric Vehicles HAVE NO ANSWER to Transportation Needs of U S of A. Electric Vehicles are Great. For Going from Point A to B. Then WAIT aka Charge aka ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Time. Repeat Repeat Repeat and Then Weeks Later One Might Make It to Z. GAS Gets One from A to Z. QUICK and EASY Like Yep May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21209 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Electric Vehicles in action: Does the Tesla Tunnel make sense?? Angry checks out Elon Musk's LVCC System! That looks to be a good win for the very low infrastructure costs and as an actually useful demo. How will that get developed further? All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Electric Vehicles in action: Check out what "Thunderfoot" on YouTube has to say about Musk's various ideas. What points of agreement do we have with his assessments? Disagreements? Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
So When is da First Cross Country EV race Gunna take Place? https://mashable.com/article/electric-vehicle-charging-cross-country Too Worried 'bout it Being a SMOKE and FIRE Show? Yep May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36779 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
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MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Gas-Powered Car would Beat it in Race Across America. yep May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
The first electric vehicle cross country (USA) has already been run. I watched the video a couple of weeks ago. As I recall it took 10 days with nightly stopovers to totally recharge the batteries. It was called charge across America. They used a variety of EVs from several manufacturers. I think the VW won but I'm not sure. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31006 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
The EV battery problem: Another case of hand waving and "make it so" by well intentioned id10t's, who refuse to go with the only answer that works, population reduction. |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
Another EV problem, to my mind, is will people be forced to trade in their car once the Li batteries are shot and can no longer be charged since the cost of the batteries are a significant portion of the overall cost of the car. Also I agree with you Gary, the real problem facing the world is over population. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19399 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Another EV problem, to my mind, is will people be forced to trade in their car once the Li batteries are shot and can no longer be charged since the cost of the batteries are a significant portion of the overall cost of the car. Also I agree with you Gary, the real problem facing the world is over population. The age of the battery is probably going to affect the 2nd owner not the person that originally bought the car. According to https://www.statista.com/statistics/581017/average-length-of-vehicle-ownership-in-the-united-states-by-vehicle-type/, on average, a new car is changed after 79 months, which is below the often quoted 10 year battery life. The car manufacturers estimate the average electric car will be charged twice a week, so about 1000 charge/discharge cycles in 10 years. There have been stories that the electric companies would like electric car owner to keep their cars plugged in so the battery can be used for energy storage, to be used when green energy is in short supply. Are those energy companies going to pay the $10 dollars each discharge/charge costs you? * *N.B. The UK has less than 40 minutes storage capacity for green energy generation. |
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