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Message 2082920 - Posted: 23 Aug 2021, 21:59:34 UTC
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Yes, the Peripheral Canal is just 1 case of the repercussions of such projects.

The Peripheral Canal was a series of proposals starting in the 1940s to divert water from California's Sacramento River, around the periphery of the San Joaquin-Sacramento River Delta, to uses farther south. The canal would have attempted to resolve a problem with the quality of water pumped south. Pumps create such a powerful suction that the boundary between freshwater to saltwater has shifted inland, negatively affecting the environment. The pumps have increased by 5 to 7 million acre-feet (6.2 to 8.6 km3) the amount of water exported each year to the Central Valley and Southern California. However, the peripheral canal as proposed would have reduced the overall freshwater flow into the Delta and move the freshwater-saltwater interface further inland, causing damage to Delta agriculture and ecosystems.
You can understand why the farmers and fish would be very unhappy.

Our equivalent is the Snowy River. Its sources was dammed, run through several hydro power stations before most of flow being redirected inland. It killed a once mighty big river and damaged the environment something bad. These days the Snowy Mountains don't receive the amount of moisture on them that they used to do.
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Message 2082928 - Posted: 23 Aug 2021, 23:42:03 UTC

People recently died were living in a Bowl. A Bowl with many small streams and a Big Stream(River) Nearby. This Occurs Over and Over and Over and Over.

It Is Fine to Respect Life in Our EcoSystems as Long as Its NOT HUMAN.

Time fo da BRANIACs who ALWAYs know the Hydrology of an Area to DO SOMETHING for HUMANs.

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Let's Make dat HUGE MONEY and Build Build Build in Another BOWL with as Many Streams large and small as Possible.

Lots of LAWs to PROTECT Animals as Long as dA Animal is NOT Human.

I live on a nice hill with Lots of Streams and a Major Stream(River) nearby. The Water Flows like a mO Fo DOWN DOWN DOWN da Hill.

If It gets in My House it will Flood Basement if Power is cut and Sump Pump stops. Gravity drain in floor will remove water. During some Rains a working sump pump and gravity drain is not Enough.

However, All I have to do is Open Basement Door and Water Flows Out of House and DOWN da Nice Hill. Yeah da Basement has a Back Door a little bit below ground by a little step up. So Gravity drain is nice to have when Rain is Too Much for Drain system/Sump/Pump.

Over 26 years of living in this house, Most Rains and their Rainwater Does not show in the Sump Well and No Pumping happens.

From start of Front Yard to End of Back Yard has to be a Steady Continuous DROP of About 10 feet over 200 feet. I never measured or Gauged it. Guessing. Eyeballing looks like 5 degrees or a little more.

Point is. Livin' in a Bowl Sucks during a Massive Rain Event. Living on a NIce Sloping Ground is Much Better. If there is a Drainage System/Pump/Gravity Drain/Back Door.

Property if Full of River Rock. Can't dig without Mucho bunch of River Rock making a dig harder. Evidently mucho Thousands of years ago dA River 'bout a Mile Away ran over this property. Most River Rock is Fist Sized or smaller. I have pulled out a Basketball sized RiverRock.

River Rock. Completely Smooth Surface. Every bit smooth.

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Message 2082931 - Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 0:52:28 UTC
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River rock deposits on which side of the river? What do oxbow lakes tell us about river courses?

As a [former] rock you know if you can't find a human to move you, eventually you will be eroded.
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Message 2082935 - Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 2:40:25 UTC

Property if Full of River Rock. Can't dig without Mucho bunch of River Rock making a dig harder. Evidently mucho Thousands of years ago dA River 'bout a Mile Away ran over this property. Most River Rock is Fist Sized or smaller. I have pulled out a Basketball sized RiverRock.

River Rock. Completely Smooth Surface. Every bit smooth.

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I would've had a project going on then. ;-)

Stone walls around a fortified position? A bunker even? :-D

Totem all them rocks will at least keep ya fit buddy. ;-)
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Message 2082944 - Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 6:00:58 UTC - in response to Message 2082928.  
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People recently died were living in a Bowl. A Bowl with many small streams and a Big Stream(River) Nearby.

Not a bowl. A flood plain. One about 1/4 mile wide. The small stream isn't so small when you realize it carved out that 1/4 mile wide flood plain. But it is the best soil.

This Occurs Over and Over and Over and Over.
Yep, Nile river.
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Message 2082950 - Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 8:38:52 UTC

Near where I live there is a section of flood plain. So what one may ask, they are all over the place and with three rivers nearby I'm glad I live on a hill above the town and not in the town itself.

Developers decided one of the flood plains would make a great place to dump over 100 new houses but didn't do the (required) banks and surface raising to correct heights. They'd just started to build the first few houses when the river flooded submerging the majority of the construction site under a few feet of muddy water. At this point the various agencies took notice and looked at the signed off plans against what was actually being done on the land; the first row of houses were OK, they were the ones visible from the main road so easy to see if corners were being cut, but the deeper into the site the more corners were cut, the lower the land and banks..... Result was the planning consent was revoked and the land had to be restored to its original profile at the expense of the developers. New developers took on the site, reduced the number of houses to be be built, raised the land & banks correctly. Next set of floods came a couple of years later, no flooding on that site, but more elsewhere - the water had to go somewhere and decided where.
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Message 2082986 - Posted: 25 Aug 2021, 2:23:37 UTC

Effects of Elevation on Water Flow. C'mon Man. How do People get Away with Such Incompetence? Geez O Flip.

Incompetence? Nah. Straight Out MALFEASANCE. Oversight. Forget about It. CRIMINAL.

Totem all them rocks will at least keep ya fit buddy. ;-)


Robert Heinlein says Yep to dat. He loved Rock Work. Boulders Actually. He became Lean and Hard-moderately hard said He.

Read 'bout it in Grumbles from the Grave.

How far down can TBM be Done and Damage as Little Life as Possible? Anything done Kills Something. Much of it So Small as Not to be Noticed.

Still, It's Life and Life wants to Live.

I Cringe when I watch a Commercial of a vehicle tearing through a Dirt Road, knowin' da Poor Little Things getting Whacked.

I sweep Streets in front and side of house twice a day and see So Many Killed Bugs; Worms, etc. and actually my broom and shoes injure and kills ants and so forth lots of times.

Do all Old People Notice these things? Da Nearer to Death.......

Man O Live.

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Message 2083214 - Posted: 27 Aug 2021, 19:23:56 UTC
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Cat 2 Heading for New Orleans.

Another WATER Event.

SUPERTrump Once mentioned a Piping System to Get Water to W and SW US of A. One Time mentioned and Never Heard again. Maybe he didn't, but It is Something I would Notice if Said.

Looking at US of A from Above and seeing GREEN East of Mississippi and Looking West at all dat BROWN - Seems to be a NO Brainer. A Term I Despise.

A Problem Looking for a Solution and NO BOOSTERs Anywhere.

Yet, One Day We will Spend Trillions to TerraForm Mars, While West will Still be Parched.

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Message 2083230 - Posted: 28 Aug 2021, 0:47:25 UTC

oh another recycled idea [from Rump who has never had an original thought]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Plowshare
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Message 2083352 - Posted: 29 Aug 2021, 21:54:32 UTC

Been watch'in da Rectangle and ALL dat Fresh Tasty Water Runnin' and Piling Up fO NO USE during Another Weather Event.

Since I was Knee High to a Water Hydrant, WAR and WATER have been dA Two Most Destructive Forces.

Having Less of WAR and More of Water during this time Has Been Most Talked About Topics of HuWomanKind. Yet WARs RAGE ON and WATER is Less and Less Available.

Water and War Destructive Force has Caused dA MOST EXPENDITURES of Our MONIEs and We are NO Closer to Peace and Adequate Supply.

I would Say It is Time. For NO War and a LOT MO Water.

STOP Waging War and Start Building PIPE.

Fill 'em Up.

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Message 2083377 - Posted: 30 Aug 2021, 7:17:03 UTC

I would Say It is Time. For NO War and a LOT MO Water.

STOP Waging War and Start Building PIPE.


Hear Hear.
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Message 2083382 - Posted: 30 Aug 2021, 10:11:50 UTC - in response to Message 2083377.  

I would Say It is Time. For NO War and a LOT MO Water.

STOP Waging War and Start Building PIPE.


Hear Hear.

To translate for the rest of the world, that means:

"Yes, yes!"


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Message 2083405 - Posted: 30 Aug 2021, 17:47:58 UTC

Nancy said No Pipe.
Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.
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Message 2083590 - Posted: 2 Sep 2021, 1:16:28 UTC

Water Water Everywhere East of dA Big Riva.

So Much Destructive Power. Why can't da SUPERBrains Capture Water and Send it Away before It Destroys.?

Why O Why cannot da SUPERBrains PIPE IT where IT is Needed?

Wat is goin' on Out West is HeartBreaking.

HeartBreaking where there is too Much Water.

Some One PLEASE Find a Solution.

Get dA WATER WEST.

NOW

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Message 2083591 - Posted: 2 Sep 2021, 1:25:38 UTC - in response to Message 2083590.  

Project Plowshare.
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Message 2083595 - Posted: 2 Sep 2021, 2:07:01 UTC
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Some One PLEASE Find a Solution.
Get dA WATER WEST.
Just get ya 4 gallon buckets out and start bucketing like crazy.

Or better still, stop wrecking the environment (and stop thinking about things that will). ;-)
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Message 2083600 - Posted: 2 Sep 2021, 4:14:44 UTC

..... stop wrecking the environment.....


Over many Years I've watched Hurricanes form off Coast of West Africa; Move across Atlantic; and Then do their WET Work Through its

Path affecting U S of A Here and There. Sometimes One will then Head East towards 'Europe' and Do its Nasty.

Also, Ones beginning off West Coast of Mexico and Travelling Across Pacific.

Not Once Did I Believe dA WRECKING of Environment have Diddly to Do with Event.

Since Temp of Ocean is a Cyclone/Hurricane Engine of Strength, there is ZERO Percent of Human Wrecking in Aiding of these Storms.

Dat BIG ORANGE Ball 93 Million Miles Away has been Burning Into Our Atmosphere and Into Ocean Waters for Billions of Years.

HuWomanKinds 'Wrecking' of Environment(Whatever dat Is) neither decrease or Increases Strength of Storm

WE DO NOT have dA POWER.

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I Bucketed Water Once fo 10 Hours Straight without Stopping. Dat was Crazy Baby!!!!!

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Message 2083605 - Posted: 2 Sep 2021, 7:34:40 UTC
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Message 2083635 - Posted: 2 Sep 2021, 19:07:52 UTC

During dA DUST BOWL those in NYC did NOT CARE or Know of Travails of ONEs to their West aka POOR REGULAR People -UNTIL

they Finally Got a Big Ole Sky full of DUST. Then dA Eastern ELITEs Decided Something Must be Done!!!!!

SAME with these WATER EVENTs.

NYC and Other East Coast ELITE Cites Got Smacked by Fred and Ida, and THEY DON'T LIKE IT. Neither have da POOR REGULAR PEOPLEs of Florida; Louisiana; Alabama; Mississippi; et al.

NOW, MAYBE since dA BIG WIGs aka ELITEs have been getting a 'Taste' of Catastrophic WATER EVENTs -They Will Start Thinking and

Working on Getting DA BIG PIPE PROJECT Going.

One would Hope.

JOEy wants to GIVE BIG Monies to All These People - to Help them and 'Prevent' Suffering Now and Future. Yeah. BUY DEM VOTEs JOEy.

All DEM VOTEs and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is NOT Going to PREVENT Same Happening Again and Again and Again.

ONLY dA BIG PIPE will.

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Message 2083651 - Posted: 3 Sep 2021, 0:59:28 UTC

gotta build the pump before you build the pipe
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