Could you please elaborate on that?

I mean, prosperity obviously leads to population decline. If you make energy scarce and expensive instead, it shrinks prosperity and forces the people to have more children who could care for them in old age.

The fastest way to shrink earth's population is to increase common wealth everywhere, that is, provide as much cheap (and clean) energy as possible... so, invest in nuclear power plants in all reliable, developed countries (proficient to operate them safely; responsibly not to breed plutonium); reduce trade barriers for all other countries to enable economic and societal progress to also become 'developed countries'.

Scrooge M. --

Supposedly, some countries' citizenry is having fewer children. I can't give you exact names, now, off the top of the hat.

In this country (USA), some people are against regulation. China started with "one child per family", but I don't know
if it's still in effect. At last read, it was up to three per family

It's a complex issue, but I fear that climate dynamics will force some hard decisions to be made. Redistribution of wealth should help.

Also, wars prevent humanity from addressing global warming. Migration? Another result of global warming?

All of us come up with good ideas, Scrooge. The trick is to get them implemented.

I'll certainly keep listening to you guys, and your provocative ideas. Perhaps, one day, they will make their way to the United Nations!

Cheers,

jim

In this country (USA), some people are against regulation. China started with "one child per family", but I don't know
if it's still in effect. At last read, it was up to three per family

In a liberal society you cannot decree the number of offspring people are allowed; inhumane. Common wealth and development does it (cf. Ireland's demography in past 100 years). China's regulation enabled them to end mass poverty, reducing the number of the hungry within few years; what India can't copy, due to democracy. But China lifted regulation too late. Their population is aging fast... demographic problems on the horizon.

It's a complex issue, but I fear that climate dynamics will force some hard decisions to be made. Redistribution of wealth should help.

Whatever decisions.... they must be authorized by democratic elected bodies; It doesn't help either that governments which represent the majority of world's population are outside of mutual decisions on protecting climate, e.g. Trump, Xi, India... What we must never allow is to believe a powerful autocracy is the only alternative to make the inevitable hard decisions. Such a world no longer needs to be rescued.

I can only warn of 'redistribution ideas' which I so often witness among today's young progressive youth. I grew up in a socialist country (GDR). I know how rundown houses, factories, industries look like, so-called "public property"; a state planned economy... scarcity of everydays goods (yes: no one poor, but also no one rich; no one tempted, resp. allowed, to wage the extraordinary; all subdued, at 'their place'). We tried all this already. It failed miserably everywhere in Central and Eastern Europe...

Manchester capitalism is inhumane, socialism as well. The way to go is to fairly tax people's income (from financial investments; as well as labor), and not to 'redistribute wealth' which means expropriating the rich's properties (abolishing a constitutional freedom). It was the capitalist societies of the West; with lively democratic participation of many, who were the first that cleaned their rivers, their poluted environment from the industrial age. Here, I still witnessed grave environmental pollution until the early 1990s: dead rivers and creeks, stinky smoke from factories, ash dust trickling down from power plants and factories with even simple electrostatic filters often defective; I remember the smell of burned coal from primitive furnaces in the Eastern cities in winters; until the early 1990s. Why should it be different with challenges due to climate change.

Also, wars prevent humanity from addressing global warming. Migration? Another result of global warming?

World wars maybe; but now? Mass migrations were a consequence of climate change since the ancient past. Science, tech developments, trade..., however, enabled mankind to make deserts habitable (don't know if sustainably), Arctics as well. We must truthfully distinguish between natural climate change which always existed, featuring global avg. temperature changing +5/-5 Kelvin, way larger than what climate alarmists call out today.

We have to address the human factors that amplify global warming. We won't reduce them if we follow maximalist axioms like: Mankind is responsible for global warming (that is, 100%) as the IPCC climate reports do in summaries since roughly 10 years. Renowed scientists who previously published research on long-term cyclic natural mechanisms find themselves increasingly isolated; barred... a restricted spectrum of legitimate opinions developed over time...

[...] Perhaps, one day, they will make their way to the United Nations!

Unfortunately, I lost trust in the UN to solve important problems of mankind. Over decades it degraded into a circus; a majority of illiberal regimes represent their selfish interests, not those of their people... When even the UNSC no longer united responsible world powers due to a Xi and Putin... needs some kind of reset.

[...] Redistribution of wealth should help.

I missed something: extraordinary wealth, which starts to control governments, thus bypasses democratic principles will increasingly act against the interests of majorities. We can observe that live in the 'OJ group' in the U.S.; to a lesser extent everywhere else.

How to stop wealth that develops sovereign powers? Isn't that the same old story that Karl Marx (correctly!!!) diagnosed 150 years ago only to draw wrong conclusions?

The rich polute the environment, damage the climate with business jets, luxury mansions...? I don't care. Let them. But transparently inform the public what they do, which decisions their wealth influences...

Uha... just yesterday I heard part of a podcast: "The Peter Thiel Story". It seems adventurous to publish unwanted facts about the super rich... and to survive legal battles afterwards...

Scrooge --

Ideally, the Democratic process should lift us out of our problems, including global warming.

Again, perhaps people will choose to evaluate/re-evaluate their priorities, and the best approaches to take to implement them.

jim

money distorts democracy.

Ideally, the Democratic process should lift us out of our problems

Ideally, the population would be intelligent and educated enough, to vote sensibly.
But when, I guess, about 20% of the population, is neither intelligent nor educated**, they are seduced by obvious false promises or vote how their religious leaders tell them, The Democratic process is a busted flush.

**Don't be fooled into thinking, that being educated, makes a person intelligent.

Ideally, the Democratic process should lift us out of our problems

Ideally, the population would be intelligent and educated enough, to vote sensibly.
But when, I guess, about 20% of the population, is neither intelligent nor educated**, they are seduced by obvious false promises or vote how their religious leaders tell them, The Democratic process is a busted flush.

**Don't be fooled into thinking, that being educated, makes a person intelligent.

Democracy developed in Ancient Greece among an educated civil society; middle classes with sufficient income to aim their interests at literature, arts but also politics (to determine their own destiny)... There were masses of slaves too without liberties...; but if this middle classes who (have the time or money to) care for society become extict... the prerequisites for democracy fade away too. Add mass migration that exceeds the integration capacity of societies: separation of population alongside different heritage, languages, cultures... religion...

And that's why the orange Donny and his supporters, Vance, Thiel.... prepare the transition into a powerful monarchy with an influential aristocracy who know best what their subjects need.

A decisive event is still missing that would force action. Economics? Monetary system? International conflict? Never let a crisis go to waste.

I like the positive attitude of Jim on these things. Besides:

All of us come up with good ideas, Scrooge. The trick is to get them implemented.

Getting them implemented needs this kind of positive, optimistic world view (that I often lack)

Well that plan by our former fossil fuel loving government certainly didn't work at all.

Snowy Hydro apologises for burning diesel smell from Kurri Kurri power plant.

A controversial Hunter Valley power station has caused a stink in its community, with the operator apologising for a pungent smell of fuel in the air.

Snowy Hydro's plant at Kurri Kurri, which has just started its testing phase, is designed to run on gas, but can also be powered by diesel as a backup source.

CEO Dennis Barnes said in the past week, testing took place on one of two turbines, which included testing it on diesel.

"That caused some emissions and some odour, which we're deeply regretful for," he told ABC Newcastle Breakfast.

"We weren't expecting it, and therefore we've stopped [testing]."

Witnesses reported seeing plumes of smoke coming from the plant, while others more than 30 kilometres away in Newcastle reported the smell.....

Thankfully it was quickly canned.

More of the short term greedy same old same old pollution greed:


BP says it makes biggest oil and gas find in 25 years
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Energy giant BP says it has made its largest oil and gas discovery this century as it shifts its focus away from renewable energy and back to fossil fuels...

We all, and our descendants, will have to pay for that for decades ahead...

All in the name of short term gain.


Who is it that retires rich and happy?...

This is all on our only one planet...
Martin

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The artform of corrupt denial:



Factcheck: Trump’s climate report includes more than 100 false or misleading claims
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A “critical assessment” report commissioned by the Trump administration to justify a rollback of US climate regulations contains at least 100 false or misleading statements...

All just an 'excuse' for 'graft' and short term greedy profit?

And our world and our future be damned?...


Instead:

Can we be Excellent?
Martin

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The end is nigh.

Antarctic A23a iceberg previously 'twice the size of Greater London' may disappear within weeks.

A colossal iceberg ranked among the oldest and largest ever recorded is crumbling apart in warm Antarctic waters, and could disappear within weeks.

Earlier this year the "megaberg" — named A23a — weighed nearly 1 trillion tonnes and was more than twice the size of Greater London, a behemoth unrivalled at the time.

In recent weeks, enormous chunks — some 400 square kilometres in their own right — have broken off.

Smaller chips, many still large enough to threaten ships, have also split, littering the sea around it.

The iceberg is now 1,770 square kilometres, less than half its original size.....

Who is funding/bribing Trump?...


Trump administration spending $625m to revive dying coal industry
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... Coal, the most polluting and costly fossil fuel, has been on a rapid decline over the past 30 years, with the US halving its production between 2008 and 2023...

... Coal plants provided about 15% of US electricity in 2024 – a steep fall from 50% in 2000 – the EIA found, with the growth of gas and green power displacing its use. Last year, wind and solar produced more electricity than coal in the US...

... “The Trump administration is hell-bent on supporting the oldest, dirtiest energy source. It’s handing our hard-earned tax dollars over to the owners of coal plants that cost more to run than new, clean energy,” said Amanda Levin, director of policy analysis at the national environmental non-profit Natural Resources Defense Council. “This is a colossal waste of our money...”

... coal pollution has been linked to hundreds of thousands of deaths across the past two decades. One study estimated that emissions from coal costs Americans $13-$26bn a year in additional ER visits, strokes and cardiac events, and a greater prevalence and severity of childhood asthma events.

All Trumped up?

All on our only one planet!
Martin

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Who is funding/bribing Trump?...

People who read "coal" in the good book and don't realize it means charcoal.

Deny this?...


How 56 Million American Deaths Triggered A Mini Ice Age — The Chilling Link Between The ‘Great Dying’ And Climate Change

The year 1500 really did change our climate for millennia to come...



All on our only one planet,
Martin

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Is this what we want?




Overconsumption and ruin: before and after images visualise how tech could harm our planet
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From Venice to the Iguazu Falls, an exhibition in London illustrates the hidden cost of our gadgets and devices

Artists have created visualisations of the impact of the climate crisis on some of the world’s most recognisable landscapes...

This is our only planet...
Martin

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Is this what we want?

I don't get the link between global warming and digital gadgets when at the same time nobody cares about the raw materials hunger of renewables. Anyway.

What could be changed immediately is that it becomes illegal to export outdated or disfunct digital gadgets outside our developed, industrialized countries. We have already laws in effect that in detail regulate how to recycle and dispose off all materials whenever a house is demolished or highway lanes are rebuilt.

But we still somehow, by means of negligence or criminal energy, allow that masses of electronic waste reach African countries, where this stuff is simply burned to ashes to regain a few precious metals. Our industry could recycle this stuff much better... but obviously at higher costs.

All is explained:


New Book - Climate Obstruction: A global Assessment


A good summary is given by that article.

That all makes for quite some reading of our reality...


All on our only one very real only world...
Martin

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Not exactly a denial or a solution but extreme weather is one cause.
Reasons why Orange Juice is so costly