Climate Change, 'Greenhouse' effects and Politics: Continued DENIAL (#6)
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 Wiggo  Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 37738 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 
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I wonder what the deniers will come up with if these go off. Millions of tonnes of ice have been keeping the lid on Antarctica’s volcanoes for millennia. Now it’s melting fast, and eruptions are on the cards. Millions of tonnes of ice have been keeping the lid on Antarctica’s volcanoes for millennia. Now it’s melting. Fast. And researchers say a bout of eruptions is on the cards. |
Scrooge McDuck  Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1505 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 
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Repost... winter maximum: |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21687 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 
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Repost... winter maximum: Is there anything to show the extent of the new ice, 1-year-old ice, 2-year old ice, and multiyear surviving ice?... That makes a great difference to the volume and nature of the ice and the weather and climate effects... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21687 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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... And that all adds up to a scary yet-another-record-broken minimum: Global Sea Ice Hit Record Low in February... ... A heatwave in the Arctic... ... 26% less ice... ... Extra ocean heating due to no protective reflective layer of ice and snow... ... And... There are Consequences. All on our only one planet... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B   Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24927 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21687 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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Deny this? Fletcher Prouty Explains Invention and Use of Term "Fossil Fuels" Fossil fuel companies are BLOCKING countries {from going green} with billion-dollar lawsuits ... All on our only one planet... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1505 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54
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Is there anything to show the extent of the new ice, 1-year-old ice, 2-year old ice, and multiyear surviving ice?...It's shrinking further. Thick multiyear ice survives in summer just in regions North of Canada and Greenland: Danish Meteorological Institute - Modelled arctic sea ice thickness (in English)
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21687 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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Now that is scary... Ya can't trust to walk across to the North Pole!! That thin stuff don't last long... All on our only one planet... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1505 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54
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Norwegian Fridtjof Nansen was the first who attempted to reach the North Pole during his years long ice drift on the vessel "Fram". When he found out he will miss the Pole he set off on foot from March 1895 to June 1896 with one companion, pulling heavy sleds. He had to give up at 86°13' N because the ice drift near the Pole was unpredictable. On clear days he saw (celestial navigation) that direction and speed of drift often almost nullified his daily marching performance, making it impossible to estimate the number of days to the Pole. Today, Nansen would immediately be doomed by the frequent opening of wide water channels between ice floes, which would require crossing by boat. Btw.: When did the last explorer reached the North Pole by foot? I doubt this is still possible in the 21st century. Nansen's ice drift took full three years (Sep 1893 - Aug 1896); food rations planned for five years. The latest drift of the German research vessel "Polarstern" took just under a year (Oct 2019- Aug 2020) on almost the same drift route. The current Arctic ice cap is thin, more flexible and influenced by ocean currents and surface winds than in the 19th century. No one knows the ice volumes of the past. But the expedition reports of the first Arctic Explorers describe gigantic heaps of piled up thick ice floes everywhere due to ice compression. Difficult to overcome or circumvent. That's no more.  |
kittyman     Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51527 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 
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Another heads up, about a series that I am watching right now. Originally produced by the History Channel, I am currently watching it on Amazon Prime. It is called 'How The Earth Was Made'. There are two seasons, I am into the second one. It has completely convinced me that the 'climate change' activists are complete wingnuts. At least in the sense that they claim that mankind is responsible for climate change. It also has shown me what a minor force man is against Mother Nature. The series will show you the immense changes that the earth has gone through since it's creation some 2.5 billion years ago and still is undergoing to this very day. It reinforces my long held belief that mankind has had very little impact on the climatic changes on this planet. They have been going on in a cyclical nature since the planet cooled off enough to have a crust. And this has been going on for billions of years, long before mankind arrived on this earth. They cover many topics. Volcanoes, tsunamis, Loch Ness, asteroids, fossil records, tectonic plates, mountain building and destruction, the carving of the Grand Canyon, and even salt mining under the freshwater Great Lakes, something that I was totally unaware of even though I live not very far from there. Scotland and New York were actually in contact a long long time ago. Kitty tested, kitty approved, and highly recommended. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." 
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Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1505 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54
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The problem with institutionalized climate change research in the form of IPCC reports is that at some point an influential group took over and imposed thought restrictions. Many early climate researchers who pointed to massive influence of nature on climate change or longer natural cycles (e.g., solar activity; not just the known periodic 11 year cycle; but longer cycles) were ignored. Hmmm, not ignored... Their research is included in the full editions of reports. However, the edited executive summaries, which form the basis for political decisions at climate conferences do no longer contain any deviating opinions that question the mainstream mantra: climate change is 100% human-made. I'm not a climate change denier. I believe humans have a great influence. We should limit our footprint as much as possible, but without giving up achievements of modernity (freedom, prosperity) or destroying nature. That's what we're doing right now. We face ideologic-driven deindustrialization to achieve 'climate goals' detached from the original goal: global CO2 savings... in effect: 'Greenwashing'. Instead, our parts of the North and Baltic Seas are being extensively developed with offshore wind farms. We face significant deforestation and broad clearings for crawler cranes in almost every larger* forest area to errect as much 200+ meters tall wind turbines as possible. Almost our entire country is being transformed into a wind and solar industrial zone; no prospect of an end to this lunacy. It's a crime against nature. This cannot be the right path. The idea that climate change can be stopped through net-zero is absurd and refuted by documented historical experience dating back to ancient Greece and Rome. [*] the European perception of a 'large forrest' is a continuos, cohesive forrest of maybe a couple thousand hectars (a dozen square kilometers). Americans, Canadians, or e.g. Scandinavians would deride our 'large forrests' as a small town park, with the many forrestry trails within... each hundred meters... a natural forest? Not really... a centuries old human landscape which at least looks like nature to us. I've seen the first ancient woodland when I was 25 years old somewhere in Norway. What a difference to our forests. |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21687 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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US Interior secretary orders offshore wind project shut down wrote: ... Trump's animosity toward wind power has a long history, so it's unlikely that this largely positive report will do much to get the hold on leasing lifted. In reality, however, the long-term uncertainty about offshore wind in the US will probably block new developments until the end of Trump's time in office... Hold tight? Steady as she blows??? Only in the USA... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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