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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21094 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
How can we convince the greedy corrupt of our existential reality?... World’s top climate scientists expect global heating to blast past 1.5C target wrote: Exclusive: Planet is headed for at least 2.5C of heating with disastrous results for humanity, poll of hundreds of scientists finds We asked top climate scientists what they felt about the future... wrote: They are terrified, but determined to keep fighting... Oh what to do? Well, I for one ain't going to roll over to get burnt and die on this one! Will you? All on our only one planet... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36567 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Oh the stupidity of the fossil fuel industry. On 1 hand they're advertising the so called benefits of natural gas power generation that can be turned on or off at need (instead of the constant full on production from coal and nuclear power generators, the later due to the huge startup costs involved), but on the other hand they're warning us of running out of it, yet they're selling the stuff overseas at rates well below that of local pricing while more foreign companies circle in for takeovers just to make things even worse. Why the global fossil fuel sharks are circling Australia's gas export industry. For an industry entering its sunset years, Australian gas certainly is attracting an enormous amount of attention and money.The stupidity of it all just seems to be a race between them all to the end while ripping as many off as they can in the process. :-( |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1114 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
I agree with you on coal; it's difficult and expensive to upgrade coal (more so lignite) power plants for flexible generation output following current demand and balancing Renewables. But natural gas is an almost perfect fuel. It's clean (no expensive cleaning of exhaust fumes). It can be stored cheaply underground without losses. Long distance transport by means of pipelines is cheap. Gas enables ultra-efficient heat generation. Combined cycle gas turbines (gas and steam turbine) are the most efficient (thermodynamics) power plants we have. Few employees are needed to operate them, even remote control is common. Power output of gas turbines can be adjusted quickly to demand. (a sidenote: not as quickly as latest generation of nuclear PPs between 100% and ~60% output). That is why we will use gas and LNG for the foreseeable future until renewables can replace them completely, or batteries... or nuclear or a sensible combination of them. But we should take a calculator today and truly assess: How much CO2 is exhausted to produce, process, and transport Gas resp. LNG from the well to the comsumer. It seems to me that we are not doing this honestly when importing LNG from Australia to Europe. I doubt the general assumption LNG is more climate friendly than coal or lignite. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36567 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
We could be in big trouble. Record 50C temperature increase over Antarctica to shift Australia's weather patterns. Earlier this July, the temperature more than 20 kilometres above the east Antarctic coastline suddenly warmed by about 50 degrees Celsius in a week — an event called a sudden stratospheric warming (SSW). |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21094 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Reaping what we sow in our pollution: Heat aggravated by carbon pollution killed 50,000 in Europe last year – study wrote: Continent is warming at much faster rate than other parts of world, leading to fires, drought and health problems Inconvenient consequences? All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21094 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
No surprises here: ‘Massive disinformation campaign’ is slowing global transition to green energy wrote: Fossil fuel companies are running “a massive mis- and disinformation campaign” so that countries will slow down the adoption of renewable energy and the speed with which they “transition away” from a carbon-intensive economy... So? What do we do about that? All on our only one planet... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1114 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
Arctic regional sea ice extent: past four weeks (to scale size down: reduce width of browser window) Source |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21094 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
That is an awful lot of solar heating absorbing bare ocean that once was reflective ice... All on our only one overly fossil fuels polluted planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36567 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
That is an awful lot of solar heating absorbing bare ocean that once was reflective ice...Having all those damn ice breakers going through it certainly doesn't help the situation either. |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1114 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
Having all those damn ice breakers going through it certainly doesn't help the situation either.There still are not many. Currently, the Russians only clear the entrances to their Arctic ports and the sea accesses into the major Siberian rivers for shipping during summer season. But the Russians and China prepare to establish reliable shipping routes from Europe to East Asia; in the beginning at least during summer seasons along the arctic coastline. As soon as more Russians and Chinese start shipping around there, the Canadians and Americans will be required to secure their sovereignty up there, otherwise Chinese Arctic 'research stations' (like they do in Antarctica) will pop up everywhere. A vicious circle. I don't want to think about how Russian negligence in transport safety and environmental protection will affect this unique region in the near future. We would also prefer to ban them from sailing their ancient junk oil tankers through the very narrow Baltic Sea just a few miles off our and Danish coastlines. The Danes already think about banning their junk ships from the narrow Danish Straits, which are territorial Danish waters. But banning them from the entrances into the Baltic Sea means blocking most of their sea trade into the European part of Russia, that is a declaration of (economic) war. They could simply use modern and safe tankers but they always prefer to be the powerful, angry grizzly when somebody dares to criticize their habits. |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1114 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
Compare with this year's arctic sea ice extent: This is the route of Fridtjof Nansen's three-year "Fram" polar expedition (1893-1896). Nansen advanced in summer along the Russian arctic around Cape Chelyuskin to the New Siberian Islands, where he steered his ship intentionally into the pack ice, so that it was driven by the Arctic sea ice drift towards Greenland within three years. Nansen had to sail close to the Russian coast (red line) to somehow get through there in the high summer with a lot of drift ice, which was difficult and required him lots of zigzaging, even reversing course. On July 18th he left (Vardø/Norway), on Sept 28th he began the ice drift (blue line) west of the New Siberian Islands, which ended three years later at Spitsbergen (Aug 1896). Nansen unsuccessfully tried to reach the North Pole with sledges (March to August 1895) across the drifting ice ending up in Franz Josef Land (green line). |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36567 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
I wonder what the deniers will say when this happens. Antarctic 'Doomsday Glacier' Heading for Collapse. Scientists studying Thwaites Glacier, ominously dubbed the "Doomsday Glacier," have unveiled a rapidly evolving and complex environment that could lead to dramatic sea-level rise in the centuries ahead. The glacier, located in West Antarctica, has become a focal point of global concern due to its potential to significantly impact coastal communities around the world. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21094 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
There has to be a better way: Van Gogh is turning in his grave at the harsh Just Stop Oil sentence. I know, because I spoke to him wrote: Nature was the painter’s ultimate muse, and he would have admired those seeking to protect it... To my mind, the sentences handed out to those young adults looks to be extreme. Those prison sentences are long enough to leave them scarred for life. And for what? Throwing a cup of cold soup? And yet the fossil fuels CEOs burn and pollute our planet with profitable impunity! All on our only ONE planet... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21094 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Indeed bonkers: Anger at UK’s ‘bonkers’ plan to reach net zero by importing fuel from North Korea wrote: A plan by the British government to burn biomass imported from countries including North Korea and Afghanistan has been described as “bonkers”, with critics saying it undermines the credibility of the UK’s climate strategy... There are far better cleaner greener ways to go... vs: Corporate and political greed?... All on our only one planet... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22491 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Garbage in, garbage out..... Guess what, burning rubbish is really bad, as bad as coal: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3wxgje5pwo The trouble is - what to do with the vast amounts of rubbish modern society develops? The simple answer is not to produce so much in the first place, but all too often modern packaging beats the recycling system by using (almost) unseperable combinations of different plastics and "wood" products, for example recyclable padded shipping bags that are made from paper, card and a couple of different plastics glued and melted together that are great for holding the contents together but take great ingenuity to separate into the different materials, thus most people just give up and throw into the general waste bin (which goes to either landfill or incineration). Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
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