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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21011 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Quite the see-saw oscillation of political denial vs a small modicum of better sense: Environment Bill: Ministers in tight spot ahead of COP26 climate summit wrote: The House of Lords has put the government, and in particular new Housing Secretary Michael Gove, in a tight spot ahead of the COP 26 UN climate conference in Glasgow in November. Here's hoping the greedy destructive political greed can be overcome for the better good of us all and for the better good of the world around us. All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21011 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
More of the same ongoing real world story: Climate reporting reaches melting point Will we avert our Man-made prophesy?... With the present politics and corruption: Can we?? All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19316 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
U.S. flood insurance rates to rise for 77% of policyholders -study Sept 21 (Reuters) - Changes to the main U.S. flood insurance program will raise rates for 77% of policyholders, according to a new study issued on Tuesday, although property owners in some poorer neighborhoods will see premiums decrease. A quote from the NYT article where I first saw this news In the past, insurance policy has been vulnerable to political pressure. In 2012, Congress rolled back some of the subsidies in the flood insurance program, only to reverse course two years later after voters objected to higher costs. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21011 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Undeniable! Climate change: Youth have 'every right to be angry' says UK PM wrote: Boris Johnson says young people have every right to be angry about the state of climate change. Meanwhile: Insulate Britain protesters glue hands to M25 wrote: Activists from the protest group Insulate Britain blocked part of the M25 for an eighth day in three weeks, causing long queues of traffic... All a political game of yet more "Blah, blah, blah..." whilst the Denial worsens and continues yet further... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
So how big a role can reducing demand play in smoothing the peaks of electricity use? Sara Walker, reader in energy at Newcastle University, says it needs a big push from policy-makers.New slogan, bet it will never get used! Save energy, save money, save the planet |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
At this time, climate change is nothing but a gigantic Ponzi scheme. That doesn't ignore the fact that it is/could be real, just... Needing to insulate your house might cost you tens of thousands of pounds and you're only going to be saving several hundreds of pounds, so the economics of that doesn't really add up."What about flats in cities & towns? Would understand the following statement from a journalist who got their degree out of a cereal box, but... Writing in the Sun, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said: "The Greenshirts of the Boiler Police are not going to kick in your door with their sandal-clad feet and seize, at carrot-point, your trusty old combi."..A Prime Minister? As for heat pumps? How would they work during an extremely cold winter? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
At this time, climate change is nothing but a gigantic Ponzi scheme.Some proof. 28th May 2019 Europa League Final Olympic Stadium in Baku, Azerbaijan. 2,500 miles away from London. It was put to UEFA that it would be better to hold it at Wembley in London as both clubs were based in London. It was rejected (Not for the 1st time either.) Five of the past nine Champions League finals have been contested by teams from the same country in a foreign venue. Climate campaigners called on Uefa to put the environment at the heart of such hosting decisions to limit travel, a recommendation Uefa rejected. It's going to get worse UEFA's view: "Our mission is to manage our carbon footprint," Michele Uva, Uefa's director of football social responsibility, told BBC Sport.Money 1st, scrrew the climate. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Heat pumps work in cold weather by adding resistance heating. They also tend to run a very high percentage of the time which may only give them a life of 5 years or so--requiring more frequent replacement than a furnace and compressor system. Also, electricity tends to be a lot more expensive way to heat your home than by natural gas. Unless electricity is provided by wind, solar or nuclear it won't affect your carbon footprint--just your wallet and bank account. People need to be given much more evidence and a stronger case for linking a minuscule amount of CO-2 in the atmosphere to any putative warming of the planet. I myself would be more concerned to know if : In fact we are really warming in a statistically significant way vs past climate variations The sun is producing more heat(radiation) than it was 50 years ago-feels like it to me If water vapor from thousands of airliners in the sky at any time might act as more clouds and less re-radiation. In any event I am not convinced that anything can be done about it short of putting a big mirror or shade out at the Lagrangian points--then who do you sue when you are adversely affected? |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22452 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Some good questions, but all the answers you are looking for are already out in the public domain, so here's a quick summary: In fact we are really warming in a statistically significant way vs past climate variations Yes, the change is much, must faster than previous rises which were measured in thousands of years per degree C vs. tens/hundred years for the current rate of rise. The sun is producing more heat(radiation) than it was 50 years ago-feels like it to me No, but what has happened is that the atmospheric absorption/reflection rats have been changing quite dramatically If water vapor from thousands of airliners in the sky at any time might act as more clouds and less re-radiation. No effect compared to the effects of increased CO2 and other greenhouse gasses (and those same aircraft are pumping out way more CO2 per mile than they are water vapour, so are contibuting to the greenhouse gas load) In any event I am not convinced that anything can be done about it short of putting a big mirror or shade out at the Lagrangian points--then who do you sue when you are adversely affected? A great idea, but it would have to be tens of thousands of miles across, and one would have to sue the designers of the mirror when it failed to reduce the temperature changes on earth. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14674 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
And anyone who is relying on PV cells to charge their car or power their house would probably sue you, too. A mirror couldn't allow light to reach agricultural crops for photosynthesis, while blocking out heating effects on ground used for other purposes.In any event I am not convinced that anything can be done about it short of putting a big mirror or shade out at the Lagrangian points--then who do you sue when you are adversely affected?A great idea, but it would have to be tens of thousands of miles across, and one would have to sue the designers of the mirror when it failed to reduce the temperature changes on earth. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11408 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Heat pumps work in cold weather by adding resistance heating. They also tend to run a very high percentage of the time which may only give them a life of 5 years or so--requiring more frequent replacement than a furnace and compressor system. Also, electricity tends to be a lot more expensive way to heat your home than by natural gas. Unless electricity is provided by wind, solar or nuclear it won't affect your carbon footprint--just your wallet and bank account. People need to be given much more evidence and a stronger case for linking a minuscule amount of CO-2 in the atmosphere to any putative warming of the planet. The mini split heat pump I installed 2 yrs. ago does not use resistance heating in cold weather, the manufacturer claims it will work down to 5F. Last winter it performed fine at 23F. I live in the Puget spund region with virtually all electricity coming from hydo and wind and the rates are quite low. During the 2 winters I have had it I cut my power bill by $165 a month compared to the resistancw heat I previously used. The unit was quite inexpensive, $1000 plus $1500 to have it installed and the power company gave me a $800 rebate. After this winter it will have been paid for. As a business decision a 3 year payback is awsome. The bonus of using it for AC is quite nice last summer we had 2 extreem heat events and even a 115F my house easily maintained 73F. I like the money savings, the green aspect of it and comfort it has provided year around. It totally pencils out for me. |
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t totally pencils out for me. Yah May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24907 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Unbelievable. A 77 year old retired doctor, a member of Insulate Britain, was one of those blocking the A40 in London. Retired doctor Christian, 77 - one of the demonstrators coated the black liquid - told Greatest Hits Radio London News: "It wasn't painful, it didn't hurt - it was unpleasant, but just sad, the whole thing's sad, it's sad that we have to do this."So no thoughts on his "comrades" blocking ambulances then. I bet he didn't think it sad to suck on the governments tit for 45 years earning him his pension. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21011 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
We continue to see our Government roll over at the feet of the Building and Construction industry monopoly to continue to enjoy a good belly rub and tickling... To the extortionate greater cost of everyone, and our planet, to forever suffer shoddy overly cheap builds that are very wastefully very expensive to run. How else can we push/persuade/force the government to take useful action to drag our building industry, a screamin' and a screechin', to something more recent than the at present worse than Victorian standards? Who's cosy profit and loss?... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30932 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
We continue to see our Government roll over at the feet of the Building and Construction industry monopoly to continue to enjoy a good belly rub and tickling... To the extortionate greater cost of everyone, and our planet, to forever suffer shoddy overly cheap builds that are very wastefully very expensive to run. Mandatory birth control, removes demand for new structures. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21011 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Mandatory birth control, removes demand for new structures. Is that not euphemistically called "Fiscal Policy"...? Stay safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30932 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
That is paying couples to have more babies to increase revenue growth.Mandatory birth control, removes demand for new structures. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21011 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Denial is the New Normal?... Climate change: Extreme weather events are 'the new norm' wrote: ... some of the extreme events that have been experienced around the world this year. ... And that is just from the 1 deg C rise we have industriously polluted so far. All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21011 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Unbelievable. Unbelievable? Or are others entrenched in continued denial and continue to be too ignorant to care a hoot??... COP26: Climate activist Greta Thunberg leads Glasgow protest wrote: The arrival of world leaders in Glasgow for the COP26 summit has triggered a series of protests across the city. And I consider her to be completely right. The off-hand ignorantly dismissive response from our government to the on-going attempts by Insulate Britain and Extinction Rebellion people to stir a meaningful response, is very telling for how we are all being completely failed by our politicians. Is "The Problem Of Pollution and Climate" some political tin can to be kicked yet farther down the road to beyond the cozy sumptuous retirement of the present politicians?... All on our only one planet lost in our own poisonous political world... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22452 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
25 THOUSAND people attending. How many flew in from afar? In how many aircraft? How many will actually contribute anything? How many will be there just to polish the chairs? How many are there just for the "tea and nibbles"? How many would be just as effective staying at home? How many would be MORE effective staying at home? Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
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