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Message 2123776 - Posted: 9 Aug 2023, 1:18:55 UTC - in response to Message 2123752.  

In discourse you must accept that you may lose...

That only works when both sides of the discourse are accepting of change.

You refuse to accept that you may lose. That is exactly "unchanging unflinching dictators, despots, and aloof politicians?"
You have become them.
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Message 2123797 - Posted: 9 Aug 2023, 11:09:52 UTC - in response to Message 2123705.  

At one point in my life Greenpeace looked like it was legitimate, it now looks exactly like the NRA or said another way a terrorist group. It doesn't matter if they are correct or not, their actions are criminal and they should be rounded up, put in cages and have the door welded shut.

Debate and discourse must be civil to have any effect. Their methods do more harm to their cause than doing nothing.
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Message 2123892 - Posted: 11 Aug 2023, 13:17:48 UTC

Denied:


Cuadrilla: Fracking firm given new deadline to plug wells
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Energy firm Cuadrilla has been told it must plug its two shale gas wells on land on the Fylde Coast in Lancashire by the end of next year...

... Fracking was banned at the site following concerning tremors in 2019. Cuadrilla had been originally told to cap the wells with concrete by June 2023.

Miranda Cox, from Frack Free Lancashire, described the news as "long overdue". "Obviously, we will fully believe it when the last piece of equipment and every last grain of silica sand has been removed, but we think this really means there are no more excuses," she said.

"Cuadrilla has been the bane of our lives for over a decade. The stress and ramifications of their failed fracking attempts will never be forgotten nor forgiven."...



Hopefully we can move on more quickly into cleaner more profitable non-polluting ways.

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Message 2124151 - Posted: 17 Aug 2023, 15:06:46 UTC

Profitably wasteful and people and our planet be damned?...



Ministers criticised for scrapping new food waste laws for England
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Mandatory reporting for large and medium-sized businesses would lower prices and help climate, say campaigners

The government has been criticised for binning food waste legislation that campaigners say could have reduced food prices and helped tackle the climate crisis.

The policy would have made food waste reporting mandatory for large and medium-sized businesses in England. According to research by the environmental campaign group Feedback, if it led to just a 1% reduction in food waste, food businesses would save an estimated total of at least £24.4m a year.

Martin Bowman, senior policy and campaigns manager at Feedback, said this was “an immediately achievable goal” that would “more than offset the costs of measurement and reporting, saving millions of pounds, and helping struggling families by lowering food inflation”.

“After a decade of failed voluntary reporting, it is a dereliction of duty for the government to abandon this policy,”...

... “Food waste contributes 10% of all greenhouse gas emissions, surpassing the aviation industry’s impact..."

... Last summer, the government launched a consultation regarding the proposed law, in which 99% of respondents expressed support for the law, including 79% of retailers and 73% of hospitality services...



So... Who lobbied against that one?...

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Message 2124152 - Posted: 17 Aug 2023, 15:10:29 UTC
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Meanwhile:


UK windfarm red tape to cost billpayers £1.5bn a year, say analysts
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Analysis finds Treasury rules on new windfarms likely to stifle energy generation and keep bills high...

... The latest government auction for new offshore windfarms, due to be completed in September, could result in few projects making it through Treasury rules...

... Rules set by the Treasury do not take account of predictions that the gas price will stay high and put an arbitrary limit on the number of farms that can be contracted. They mean that the budget set in the government’s contracts for difference auction is unlikely to be spent...

... Energy experts have criticised the government for giving tax breaks to oil companies and not allowing windfarms to thrive...

... “The government seems to be focused on North Sea gas licences and tax breaks for oil companies that won’t bring down bills, while tying up offshore wind farms that generate electricity cheaper than gas in red tape. What is going on?..."


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Message 2124213 - Posted: 18 Aug 2023, 13:39:30 UTC

More of the same profitable destruction:


How lobbying has stalled climate action
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Since outright denial of the crisis is an untenable position, other tactics have been employed...




How best to fight that to save our planet and ourselves?...

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Message 2124297 - Posted: 20 Aug 2023, 8:26:26 UTC

Just another problem caused by climate change.

Panama Canal Drying Up And Hundreds Of Ships Are Stuck.

In what is being called the “world’s worst traffic jam,” some 200 cargo ships are waiting to pass at the Panama Canal as, thanks to global climate change, the area experiences its worst drought in 100 years. As Futurism reports, the huge backlog has been growing for some time and might not get any better for a few weeks yet. The human-made passageway is famous not only as one of the world’s most impressive feats of engineering but as one of the most important trade routes on Earth.

The Panama Canal relies on massive amounts of water, the supply of which is shrinking in the current drought. As climate change continues across the globe, extreme weather events and conditions such as droughts, floods, and hurricanes are also increasing in both frequency and intensity. In fact, this is not the first time in recent history the canal has been struck by water shortages.

Drought at the Panama Canal has not been a common sight over much of the past century, but climate change is altering that reality and trading it for one that is much less desirable-and much more expensive. As recently as 2019, similar conditions to the current dry spell have hit Panama, which is normally one of the world’s wettest areas. Before that, the area was also similarly parched in 2016, with each event getting worse than the one before......
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Message 2124363 - Posted: 21 Aug 2023, 12:33:15 UTC - in response to Message 2124297.  
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Just another problem caused by climate change.

Panama Canal Drying Up And Hundreds Of Ships Are Stuck.

The Panama Canal relies on massive amounts of water, the supply of which is shrinking in the current drought. As climate change continues across the globe, extreme weather events and conditions such as droughts, floods, and hurricanes are also increasing in both frequency and intensity. In fact, this is not the first time in recent history the canal has been struck by water shortages.
I think that today's environmental problems are too quickly attributed to climate change alone without looking closely at other causes too. There is climate change, sure. Its contribution should be examined scientifically and discussed publicly which is complex and difficult...

The Panama Canal has been expanded since 2007 with three additional larger lock chambers which were opened in 2016. These locks have been designed as water-saving locks but still require vast amounts of water. I haven't been able to find any figures on how the additional locks affected the water demand from the Gatun Reservoir. Likewise, the number of locked ships has always increased:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal
Annual traffic has risen from about 1,000 ships in 1914, when the canal opened, to 14,702 vessels in 2008, for a total of 333.7 million Panama Canal/Universal Measurement System (PC/UMS) tons.
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Message 2124516 - Posted: 24 Aug 2023, 12:01:17 UTC

To undo some of the Denial:


UK academics urge Royal Society to condemn fossil fuel industry
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Exclusive: Letter signed by more than 1,200 leading figures calls for ‘unambiguous statement’ about climate crisis

The Royal Society is under pressure from more than 1,200 leading academics to issue a clear condemnation of the fossil fuel industry.

The academics have written to the association of the world’s most eminent scientists calling for an “unambiguous statement about the culpability of the fossil fuel industry in driving the climate crisis”.

The society has agreed to meet representatives of the academics to discuss their demands. Most of those who signed the letter to the society’s president and council are based in the UK.

The letter says: “The Royal Society has thus far failed to condemn fossil fuel companies that are building new infrastructure that will carry the world far beyond 1.5 degrees of warming and that are lobbying across the world to dictate the pace and terms of an energy transition that will protect their profits at the planet’s expense.”

The companies were “committing an unprecedented act of violence against humanity”, the letter said, referring to a statement from the UN secretary general, António Guterres.

“It is imperative that our premier scientific institutions recognise this fact and condemn the agents in question, and the governments that permit their activities, in the strongest possible terms.”...

... “We need to see the gas industry in the same light that we now see the tobacco industry: sowing all kinds of misinformation and disinformation in order to keep on generating profits.”...

... “They exploited precisely the same scandalous tactics as big tobacco decades before. Like tobacco interests, fossil fuel interests and their financial accomplices must not escape responsibility.”

The Royal Society, founded in 1660, says it is “dedicated to promoting excellence in science for the benefit of humanity”. It is the oldest scientific academy in continuous existence.



Very stern stuff.

Incontrovertibly so...

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Message 2124703 - Posted: 28 Aug 2023, 21:54:05 UTC

Our gas sector is really rolling out the B.S. as their time gets shorter, but they make no mention of the now rapid uptake of green energy that is actually killing their future.

Gas lobby pushing back as momentum builds to get new homes off the fossil fuel.

The sooner these greedflation mongrels are out of business the cleaner and richer we'll all be.
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Message 2124730 - Posted: 29 Aug 2023, 15:12:29 UTC

Denial meets Reality?...


‘Off-the-charts records’: has humanity finally broken the climate?
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Extreme weather is ‘smacking us in the face’ with worse to come, but a ‘tiny window’ of hope remains, say leading climate scientists...

... the global heating seen to date was entirely in line with three decades of scientific predictions. Being proved right was cold comfort, they said, as their warnings had so far been largely in vain...


‘Brought to you by big oil’: US billboards call out companies for record heatwaves
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Fossil Free Media, a non-profit media organization, installed the ads in cities rocked by heatwaves including Phoenix and Austin




Whatever next?

More extremes as reality impinges upon yet more Denial?...

What breaks first?


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Message 2124835 - Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 15:05:25 UTC - in response to Message 2124730.  

Deny this?...


After America’s summer of extreme weather, ‘next year may well be worse’
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A freakish season of record temperatures, wildfire smoke and the destruction of Lahaina could soon become 'normal'...

It’s been a strange, cruel summer in the United States. From the dystopian orange skies above New York to the deadly immolation of a historic coastal town in Hawaii, the waning summer has been a stark demonstration of the escalating climate crisis...

... fueled by human-caused global heating...

... A freakish tone for the summer was set. In Arizona, it got so hot that the state’s specialist burns center was at full capacity from people who had burned themselves just by falling on to the scorching ground. Even the state’s saguaro cacti, a symbol of the US west, started to collapse in the extreme heat...

... The jarring, sometimes surreal, nature of the summer has vexed Joe Biden, who has been keen to tout an upbeat election message of surging clean energy investment, new jobs for former fossil fuel workers and an electric vehicle in every driveway.

“I’ve been to too many disaster areas,” the US president muttered shortly before departing for Hawaii ... “I don’t think anybody can deny the impact of climate change any more,” Biden has said of the summer...



How say the Deniers from their alternate imagined 'reality'?...

How soon can we dig out of this mess??


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Message 2124848 - Posted: 31 Aug 2023, 19:40:32 UTC

Greedy denial:


Loading the DICE Against Pensions
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Pension funds are risking the retirement savings of millions of people by relying on economic research that ignores critical scientific evidence...

... many pension funds use investment models that predict global warming of 2 to 4.3°C will have only a minimal impact...


Who pays for that game??!!!

... All an ignorant blind gamble with others' life savings?...


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Message 2124901 - Posted: 1 Sep 2023, 17:25:20 UTC

A strange costly subversion?...


UK could quit ‘climate-wrecking’ treaty, minister announces
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... The energy charter treaty (ECT) is a system of secret courts that enables companies to sue governments over policies that would cut their future profits. Companies have sued over phasing out coal-fired power stations, ending offshore oil drilling and banning fracking, with some receiving large taxpayer-funded payouts...

... The UK has been a “strong advocate” of reforming the treaty but the intention to leave it by numerous countries has created an impasse...

"... putting off the decision until November looks like an attempt to keep the UK sitting on the fence.”...

... The UK’s official advisers, the Climate Change Committee, said in July that the UK should quit the ECT because “continued membership represents risks to both a timely climate transition and to the taxpayer”. ECT critics have estimated the compensation to fossil fuel companies could rise to more than $1tn...

... the ECT was being “weaponised by fossil fuel companies in order to sue governments for introducing climate policies”...

... The ECT was set up in the 1990s to protect energy companies working in former Soviet Union countries from government expropriation...



A strange Denial?...

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Message 2125525 - Posted: 14 Sep 2023, 22:35:42 UTC

Big polluters are greenwashing us and they don't want to change.

Fossil fuel lobby opposes changes to greenwashing regulations.

Australian lobby groups oppose greenwashing overhaul as study finds conservation claims lack evidence.

The world's largest transnational companies are failing to provide evidence to back up their environmental restoration claims.

That's according to a new analysis of the mandatory and voluntary restoration programs that the corporations say they are engaging in.

The findings come as submissions to Australia's senate inquiry into greenwashing, including from a fossil fuel peak body, show many industry groups are pushing back against moves to change advertising regulations here.

The research published in Science found two-thirds of the world's 100 largest companies claim to carry out some form of environmental restoration, such as forest replanting, freshwater flow returns and marine habitat rehabilitation.

Yet more than 90 per cent of written reports on those projects "fail to report a single ecological outcome".

Study lead author Tim Lamont from Lancaster University said this lack of data makes it impossible to verify whether these companies are doing what they claim.......

....Ms Hemming said she wasn't surprised APPEA would oppose beefing up regulations, given it had been the subject of complaints about misleading advertising in the past.

In 2012, CSIRO claimed APPEA misrepresented its findings in an advertisement about coal seam gas.

A statement on CSIRO's website included:

CSIRO rejects the claim made in a television commercial aired on Sunday 2 September that ‘CSIRO [and government studies] have shown that groundwater is safe with coal seam gas’.

At no time has CSIRO made such a statement, and nor do the results of CSIRO research support such a statement.

CSIRO also said it became aware of that advertisement two days before it was aired and requested it be pulled.

APPEA CEO at the time Rick Wilkinson said APPEA had "taken CSIRO's comments on board" and a spokesperson told the Sydney Morning Herald the ad was approved by the independent advertising regulator.......
There's no end to them trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
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Message 2125650 - Posted: 17 Sep 2023, 6:49:50 UTC

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Message 2125702 - Posted: 18 Sep 2023, 15:26:38 UTC - in response to Message 2125650.  
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Had to happen...

But...

That is far too slow a method and does nothing to undo the ongoing damage...


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Message 2125703 - Posted: 18 Sep 2023, 15:35:03 UTC
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Just one example of an all too widespread disaster that is not reported:


Major UK methane greenhouse gas leak spotted from space
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A major UK leak of the extremely potent greenhouse gas methane has been spotted from space for the first time.

The ["Natural Gas" supply] leak - seen by satellite - occurred over a three-month period at a gas main operated by Wales and West Utilities. The amount leaked could have powered 7,500 homes for a year...

... Methane has 28 times the heating potential of CO2...

... had been using satellite imagery to assess methane leaks from landfill sites. But she noticed on the images the distinct marker of a methane leak some miles away...

... "Finding this leak brings a question of how many there are out there and maybe we need to be looking a bit harder to find them and take advantage of the technology we have."...

... The cause of the leak is unclear but methane leaks in gas pipelines are not uncommon with ageing infrastructure...

... The main sources of methane are the oil and gas industry, farming and landfill sites...

... And most people have no idead that "Natural Gas" is actually methane from the oil and gas industry.

And that industry is lobbying hard to push super expensive super leaky hydrogen through those leaky pipes!

All a fantastic game of burning money for profit and our planet be damned... Madness?


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Message 2125724 - Posted: 19 Sep 2023, 1:02:01 UTC - in response to Message 2125650.  

You can hear their squeals from way over here.

California sues five of the world's largest oil companies — ExxonMobil, Shell, BP, ConocoPhillips and Chevron.

I suspect this will be tossed PDQ. There is no law preventing the oil companies from not informing the truth about carbon, they were free to lie. If lying was permissible then they didn't do anything wrong.
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Message 2125792 - Posted: 20 Sep 2023, 19:39:59 UTC

Why should an individual do their "bit" for the climate, when they constantly see crap like this giving them "the Bird"?
Climate Change? What Climate Change?
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