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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21233 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
This is some very painfully chilling Denial warfare with far reaching consequences for more than merely our climate and way of life: Punishment without trial: Britain’s latest weapon in the war against dissent wrote: Companies are taking out devastating ‘civil injunctions’ against climate activists – and making [those victims] pay the costs... Chilling. All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21233 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Profitable denial?... Fossil fuels received £20bn more UK support than renewables since 2015 wrote: ... In 2020, renewable energy support was greater than fossil fuel support for the first time. However, fossil fuels have been receiving greater additional investment recently. From 2020 to 2021 they received an extra £1bn support from the government compared with 2020, a 10.7% increase. For renewable energy in the same year, total support for projects increased by just £1m, or 0.01%... Vast fossil fuel and farming subsidies causing ‘environmental havoc’ wrote: Trillions of dollars of subsidies for fossil fuels, farming and fishing are causing “environmental havoc”, according to the World Bank, severely harming people and the planet. Or political ineptitude?... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21233 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
When corruption runs rampant... See in disbelief: China is Throwing Away Fields of Electric Cars - Letting them Rot! wrote: This needs more attention, these are EV's, not Gas cars (see below). China keeps telling lies and no one ever calls them out... China is planting Fields of Stones stuck to Metal Bars - No, Really wrote: Why would Anyone plant fields of Stones attached to Rebar?... Implausible denial?... A global leader in greedy investment scams, and perpetrator of the worst of environmental and climate devastation?... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36818 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Winter hasn't worked. Antarctic sea ice levels dive in 'five-sigma event', as experts flag worsening consequences for planet. This winter has confirmed what scientists had feared — the sea ice around Antarctica is in sharp decline, with experts now concerned it may not recover. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22535 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66289494 For those of us sitting on the edge of the Atlantic this is a big worry. The Gulf Stream (one this current's many names) is a main driver in our weather. Crudely, it gives the UK a fairly mild (if wet) climate and places like New York their huge temperature range between raging hot summer and freezing cold winter (despite New York being further south than the UK). I've heard two, contradicting, theories of how the climates of the two places will change if this current stops. One is that the climates in both places will drift towards each other, while the other is that there will be a gross re-arrangement in the climates, with NY getting a somewhat narrower temperature band (a bit cooler in summer, and warmer in winter); while UK gets a more extreme temperature range with hot summers, and winters being a lot colder (possibly a bit like Newfoundland). Which ever is true it will be a case of "hold on to your hats boys, it's going to get rough" as both models suggest higher wind speeds..... Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21233 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66289494 That article is horribly vague and confused and gives a befuddled message that somehow Scientists "don't know"... For something somewhat more accurately described, see: Gulf Stream could collapse as early as 2025, study suggests wrote: A collapse would bring catastrophic climate impacts... Truly a deadly inconvenient truth... And our response?...
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21233 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
And for some background, see: Just Have a Think - Is the Gulf Stream collapsing? Just Have a Think - Arctic System Collapse? Devastating new research. Just Have a Think - Abrupt global ocean circulation collapse. Time to start prepping? We are seeing and feeling the effects, right now. All on our only one planet... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21233 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Painfully inconvenient: "Damian Carrington, Guardian 27/07/2023" wrote: Extreme weather events, supercharged by global heating, have rampaged across every continent on the planet in the last few weeks, destroying lives and livelihoods. The climate emergency is right here, right now, and getting ever worse as carbon emissions continue to pour into the atmosphere. Oh what to do? All very much on our only one planet... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21233 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
All ongoing consequences: US heatwave: Scorching heat strains US air conditioning capacity wrote: Energy providers are warning Americans to be frugal with air-conditioning this weekend, as intense heat and increased demand could lead to blackouts. Extraordinary photos of July's extreme weather wrote: It is a summer of extremes. Burning temperatures followed by raging fires. Wild storms and torrential rain. And a run of broken climate records. Oh what to do?... All very much on our only one planet... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21233 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Meanwhile, we have: Rishi Sunak confirms carbon capture plans in Scotland wrote: The prime minister has announced support for a carbon capture project in the north east of Scotland. That is some very expansive "carbon capture" that only captures a silly small fraction of the extra pollution from all that extra oil and gas... How much cleaner and greener and more quickly can we go with the dirty £20,000 MILLION spent instead more usefully to save our planet for ourselves? Political greedy greenwash all the way...? Oh what to do?... All very much on our only one planet... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21233 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... That is some very expansive "carbon capture" that only captures a silly small fraction of the extra pollution from all that extra oil and gas... Is this a 'comparatively small' storm in a teacup to buy Scottish votes? Or is this a complete betrayal of our climate and our well being that threatens our very future? Compare: Rishi Sunak 'has made a grave mistake,' says conservationist Chris Packham Energy Security: How carbon-intensive is drilling for oil and gas in the North Sea? Climate change: Anger as PM issues new licences for oil extraction in North Sea Regardless, our Government is advertising completely the wrong message... Supposedly as the old Roman Emperor Nero is claimed to have done, our politicians play political games whilst they burn our only one planet? The time for positive action is indeed NOW. In the real world here and now... All very much on our only one planet... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21233 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... Regardless, our Government is advertising completely the wrong message... The very shallow dirty game of politics at play?... Billionaire investor threatens to pull out of UK amid global outcry at new oil rush wrote: Australian mining entrepreneur Andrew Forrest criticises ‘clickbait’ fossil fuel plans as others say Britain has lost credibility Here’s the truth about Sunak’s plans for the North Sea: he will sell out the planet to the dirtiest bidders wrote: To understand this moment, we have to recognise that there is an existential struggle on both sides. While environmental scientists and activists fight for the very survival of the habitable planet, the fossil fuel, meat and internal combustion industries are fighting for their economic survival. Either they are regulated out of existence or human society across much of the world will fail. We cannot all win: either these industries survive or we do... BP’s £2bn profits cause anger amid climate crisis wrote: Oil and gas company to return another $1.5bn to investors through a share buyback... The Guardian view on new North Sea drilling: misreading the mood wrote: The hottest month in world history has just ended ... So what kind of leadership does Britain’s prime minister offer in response to this crisis? Answer: he announces an expansion in drilling for the oil and gas that are driving the emissions that are transforming the world’s climate. In other words, while the planet burns, Rishi Sunak stands accused of pouring fuel on the flames... A very dirty game of dirty fossils sponsorship and buying votes and dirty politics?... And our planet and ourselves be damned! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21233 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
What does it take to clean out all the dirty money of pollution?... Five arrested as protest halts elite UCI cycling race wrote: Five people have been arrested after a protest halted the Men's Elite Road Race at the UCI Cycling World Championships in Scotland. And yet we greedily burn our only planet... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21233 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Very expensive Denial: Rosebank: MPs and peers urge Grant Shapps to block new oil field wrote: Grant Shapps is being urged in the "strongest possible terms" to block drilling at Rosebank - the UK's largest undeveloped oil field. All in our only one world... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21233 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Totally expected pettiness and continued Denial: Greenpeace: Government cuts ties with group after protest at PM's home wrote: Government departments should cut ties with Greenpeace in the wake of last week's protest at Rishi Sunak's house, Does our present government actually look up to The Muppet Show of old? Or are they otherwise lost in their old school playgrounds?... Totally pathetic! And very much NOT what Politics should be... All on our only one planet... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31012 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
At one point in my life Greenpeace looked like it was legitimate, it now looks exactly like the NRA or said another way a terrorist group. It doesn't matter if they are correct or not, their actions are criminal and they should be rounded up, put in cages and have the door welded shut. Debate and discourse must be civil to have any effect. Their methods do more harm to their cause than doing nothing. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21233 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... Debate and discourse must be civil to have any effect. Their methods do more harm to their cause than doing nothing. ... Except when sane reasoned logical discourse has failed to have any reasoned logical effect? Politics is very much a game where reality is damned and ignored. Hence Greenpeace has moved over to playing the politics game of hitting the news. Unfortunately, with the pathetic state of our supposedly free press and TV news, the only way to get mentioned is to jump headlong into the festering pit of sensationalist clickbait to get any airtime... What do you suggest for better methods rather than the continuation of 50 YEARS of political blah blah blah and sometime never? There is always one more political point to score first? And our planet be damned... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31012 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
In discourse you must accept that you may lose. If you can not accept that you may lose then are you any different than a dictator or Rump? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21233 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
In discourse you must accept that you may lose... That only works when both sides of the discourse are accepting of change. How can we deal with unchanging unflinching dictators, despots, and aloof politicians? Meanwhile, we lose ever more of our planet. Everyone loses just the same... Whatever else? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21233 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Consequences: South Korea: 1,000 buses evacuate scouts from disaster-hit World Jamboree wrote: More than 1,000 buses have begun ferrying scouts at an international event in South Korea out of a campsite due to an incoming tropical storm. And our planet is all we have... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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