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Message 2087735 - Posted: 9 Nov 2021, 3:22:37 UTC

You'll find plenty of them here, https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/. ;-)
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Message 2087737 - Posted: 9 Nov 2021, 3:58:51 UTC

I've been in Middle of Atlantic Ocean and Middle of Pacific Ocean.

When Water is Around One 360 degrees to Horizon, it Sho Looks Flat.

I've Also Flown Across Both. Somehow Flatness Disappears. Barely.

Why is dat?

Oh Yeah. I Know. Thin Air is Makin' Me See Thangs.

No Humans on Mars. Maybe Underneath.

Again. Human Climate Change DENIED.

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Message 2087740 - Posted: 9 Nov 2021, 6:01:21 UTC - in response to Message 2087737.  

Maybe you can become an associate member of the flat earth society.
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Message 2087758 - Posted: 9 Nov 2021, 17:57:32 UTC
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A True Believer of the Flat Earth Belief is mentioned in this interview as part of some very interesting observations:


How to Talk to a Science Denier - with Lee McIntyre


That interview gives some good insight with some interesting examples. All in a game of people?

My take on that is that some people are desperate to just believe in whatever it is they believe that the people around them believe in. All regardless of reality and regardless of any facts.

Or more simply: People just follow a desperate need to be in with "The Group"? No thinking needed?


The examples (amongst others) given in that interview of a devout Flat-Earther and separately, that of a highly political Jim Bridenstine, are two very good examples.

Quite a different angle to that of cold reason and logic.


Hence, is this more of a game of understanding? (Understanding both emotionally as well as physically/theoretically?)

And then also we have the real-world dirty extreme greed at all costs pollution of the fossil fuels industry...


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ps: I was dismayed and scathing of Trump making such a political move in appointing Bridenstine to head up NASA. Since then, I've been very impressed by how Bridenstine turned out to be a very good and beneficial choice for the entire world...
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Message 2087760 - Posted: 9 Nov 2021, 18:16:03 UTC

Some years ago I met a rabid flat-earther who hit me with a twenty minute lecture on why the earth was flat, and everyone who said it wasn't was totally wrong. After this rant I just said "Oh", and watched as he stomped off to the nearest underground station (Bakers Street) - we had been stood outside the London Planetarium......
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Message 2087765 - Posted: 9 Nov 2021, 18:29:35 UTC - in response to Message 2087760.  
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And then we have the fall of Newton's Apple...

How could that work on a supposed flat earth?... ;-)


All a good giggle.

... And a weird insight into how some people cannot think for themselves...


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Message 2087766 - Posted: 9 Nov 2021, 18:47:57 UTC - in response to Message 2087617.  
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Deny this?

Climate Dashboard

Very real real-time data for our only one world.


And here is a reminder for how we have the smoking gun that tells us, point blank, that we are doing the burning:


Oilprice.com (2021): Carbon Isotopes Prove Humans Have Caused Global Warming
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... Unlike people, isotopes do not lie.

RealClimate 2004: How do we know that recent CO2 increases are due to human activities?
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... One way that we know that human activities are responsible for the increased CO2 is simply by looking at historical records of human activities. Since the industrial revolution, we have been burning fossil fuels and clearing and burning forested land ... [it is that] we produce CO2 faster than the ocean and biosphere can absorb it that explains the observed increase.

Another, quite independent way that we know that fossil fuel burning and land clearing specifically are responsible for the increase in CO2 in the last 150 years is through the measurement of carbon isotopes...

SkepticalScience 2020: What is causing the increase in atmospheric CO2?
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... We also know that burning fossil fuels has led to the recent increases in CO2 levels because of observed decreases in atmospheric oxygen levels. Burning carbon requires oxygen, so when we burn an atom of carbon, the required oxygen becomes part of the CO2 molecule. If the CO2 increase is caused by burning carbon (fossil fuels), we would expect atmospheric O2 levels to decrease at the same rate...



And for the cold hard raw data, see:

US Dept of Energy CDIAC: Modern Records of Carbon and Oxygen Isotopes in Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide and Carbon-13 in Methane
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... Trends

Carbon-13 in CO2 is decreasing, as the fraction of atmospheric CO2 that is realized from combustion of fossil carbon is increasing. Ratios of 13C/12C in CO2 tend to be lower in the Northern Hemisphere, suggesting a fossil-fuel source that resides mainly in the Northern Hemisphere.

Carbon-13 in CH4 has decreased since 2008, but the short record (only back to 1998) combined with multiple sources precludes any simple explanation at this point. Ratios of 13C/12C in CH4 tend to be lower in the Northern Hemisphere.

Carbon-14 in CO2 is decreasing, and 14C/12C ratios are lower in the Northern Hemisphere than in the Southern Hemisphere, suggesting a northern hemisphere source of 14C-depleted carbon (e.g., fossil fuels). However, things are not quite that simple; although 14C from bomb testing has largely been removed from the atmosphere by the biosphere, the biosphere is now giving some back, precluding any simple interpretation of the rate of 14C decline. For more on this topic, see Levin et al. (2010).

Variations in 18O in CO2 reflect not only the carbon cycle, but the water cycle as well. Oxygen-18 evaporated from the oceans will eventually fall out as precipitation and make its way into CO2 respired from the biosphere. Therefore these variations reflect complex processes and are not always easily interpreted, although 18O is useful in hydrological studies. Oxygen-18 in CO2 has an annual cycle but has otherwise tended to stay constant in recent decades. Like the other isotopes discussed above, ratios of 18O/16O tend to be lower in the Northern Hemisphere.




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Message 2087768 - Posted: 9 Nov 2021, 18:55:39 UTC - in response to Message 2087766.  
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...

SkepticalScience 2020: What is causing the increase in atmospheric CO2?
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... We also know that burning fossil fuels has led to the recent increases in CO2 levels because of observed decreases in atmospheric oxygen levels. Burning carbon requires oxygen, so when we burn an atom of carbon, the required oxygen becomes part of the CO2 molecule. If the CO2 increase is caused by burning carbon (fossil fuels), we would expect atmospheric O2 levels to decrease at the same rate...
...

Noting the reducing levels of OXYGEN in our atmosphere is an interestingly stark example that doesn't seem to get much air-time in the news.

OK, so we will pollute ourselves to hell before asphyxiating, but it all still adds up to the same story of the extreme greed of the dirty fossil fuels industry polluting us all to hell.



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Message 2087774 - Posted: 9 Nov 2021, 20:37:09 UTC

Humanity Increases This; Humanity Increases That.

So What?

Climate Is NOT Being Changed by Humans

DENIED

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Message 2087787 - Posted: 9 Nov 2021, 22:37:42 UTC - in response to Message 2087774.  

Who could possibly refute such a data-rich and comprehensive analysis,
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Message 2087790 - Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 0:26:21 UTC
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Who could possibly refute such a data-rich and comprehensive analysis,


Someone Actually Going Out in Summer; Winter - Sweats in Heat; Shivers in Cold; Gets Soaked in a Rainstorm; Shovels Snow for Hours & Hours; Wind Blows Leaves as I Sweep/Rake; Soaks Thirsty Flora when dry; Gets Eaten Alive by Bloodsuckers after RainStorm; Pays for Heat/AC; Actually Sees; Feels; Breathes Full Beauty of Outdoors during Bright Sunny Day or Dark Raging Storm.

Someone Without Agenda of Control. Or Bias for Enrichment. And No Herd Mentality.

In Eight Different Decades

That's Who.

Oh Yeah. Someone Respecting Pigs providing and Losing their Lives for Our Needs; Fish being Dragged Out of their Lives to be Ground; Breaded; Heated for Me.

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Message 2087794 - Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 0:54:57 UTC

Bacon could help.
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Message 2087797 - Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 1:11:22 UTC - in response to Message 2087790.  

That was very prosaic, but again it has absolutely nothing to do with being correct or having any actual evidence whatsoever.

Lots of people said and wrote plenty of prosaic things for thousands of years "proving" that the earth was the center of the universe, or that large objects fell faster than small ones, or that lead could be transformed into gold chemically. And all their prosaic words were worthless once the first person decided to actually collect some actual evidence one way or the other. We're in the same situation here.
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Message 2087810 - Posted: 10 Nov 2021, 4:10:38 UTC

Evidence and Facts are NOT Evidence and Facts Anymore. No Mater dA Letters After Name; or Before; Prizes Won; Reputation Excellence or Anything Once Having Rock Solid Cred.

It is ALL About CONTROL; POWER; MONEY and How Many Can Be Herded Along; 'specially MSM and Their ZOMBIE Believers.

This Situation has Always Existed. In Small Ways and Enclaves.

NOW It has INFECTED Every Hall of Power; Academia; Industry; Local Business; Down to the People Livin' on Streets.

I DO NOT BELIEVE - Sorry Mulder - The Spoken Word; Written Word; Exposed by Anyone with Agenda and Obvious Bias. And When
I Can't Immediately Suss Them Out - I'll Not Believe. And There May never be an Until.............

Correctness and Evidence. In This World? Wat a JOkE.

Prosaic?

Actual Evidence?

One Brainiac Says This. Another Counters with That. Both with Rock Solid Proof.

I'm Glad to be an Idiot and Believe wat I Believe. And Care Less 'bout Back and Forth 'Proving'. I'll Stick with My Sense. Common or Otherwise.

Venus and Mars seem to have been Destroyed by 'Climate Change'. When they Prove they had Humans There - I'll Believe Asteroids were the
Culprits - Not Humans.

C'mon Man! I Don't BELIEVE a Thang I Make Up and I Make Up Everythang I Believe.

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Message 2087858 - Posted: 11 Nov 2021, 0:27:55 UTC - in response to Message 2087810.  
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Evidence and Facts are NOT Evidence and Facts Anymore. No Mater dA Letters After Name; or Before; Prizes Won; Reputation Excellence or Anything Once Having Rock Solid Cred.

It is ALL About CONTROL; POWER; MONEY and How Many Can Be Herded Along; 'specially MSM and Their ZOMBIE Believers.




This is me agreeing with you. Of course this is probably not the "MSM" you had in mind, but it will do.

(That was "News"Max's White House correspondent, by the way. Probably not anymore as got kicked off Twitter for spreading, well, stuff without evidence and facts.)
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Message 2088011 - Posted: 13 Nov 2021, 17:29:03 UTC

Deny this Biblical deluge?...


Egypt: Scorpions kill three and injure hundreds in Aswan
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Scorpions in Egypt have stung three people to death in the southern city of Aswan after heavy storms brought them into the streets and homes.

Some 450 more people were injured by scorpion stings...

The hail and thunder storm in the area near the River Nile on Friday was particularly violent...



First time I've seen anything like that on the news for some 3000 years!!

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Message 2088075 - Posted: 14 Nov 2021, 17:19:59 UTC
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The most greedy and dirty of all politics here on our planet?


Climate change: Why Australia refuses to give up coal
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In a world racing to reduce pollution, Australia is a stark outlier.

It is one of the dirtiest countries per head of population and a massive global supplier of fossil fuels. Unusually for a rich nation, it also still burns coal...

... And instead of phasing out coal - the worst fossil fuel - it's committed to digging for more. So it's no surprise that Australia is being viewed as a "bad guy"...

... Australia could end its literally toxic relationship with coal fairly quickly, experts say. Its economy is stable and well-diversified to absorb the loss of coal exports...

... As one of the sunniest and windiest continents on Earth, Australia is "uniquely placed to benefit economically" from its abundant natural resources ... Its industries are also well positioned to pivot to new export markets like green steel and aluminium...

... [Instead, the Australian] government has cut its renewables spending in recent years, and there is no current national clean energy target...


What dirty corrupt greedy madness is this?...


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Message 2088080 - Posted: 14 Nov 2021, 17:26:40 UTC - in response to Message 2088075.  

What dirty corrupt greedy madness is this?...
Steady state universe conservatism.
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Message 2088089 - Posted: 14 Nov 2021, 20:02:32 UTC

What dirty corrupt greedy madness is this?...
It comes from a government that relies on what comes out of the ground to try and balance their books and coal plays a big part of that. Before COVID hit that same government bought many boxes full of thousands of coffee cups with "Back In Black" printed on them, but they never got their books back in the black so all those cups are gathering dust now (they were asking $25ea for cup that cost them less than $5ea and some reports suggest that they bought 30K of them, though the party is staying tight lipped on the real number).

Hopefully this incompetent government will be gone in the upcoming elections this time (or they'll get themselves another new leader for them, nah, they've done that 3 times now and I doubt that that trick will work for a 4th time). And the funniest part about it all is that they're now trying to use some of the opposition's policies on climate change that they blasted left, right & center during the last elections.
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Message 2088093 - Posted: 14 Nov 2021, 20:55:33 UTC

I've Worked at Coal Plants and Always Breathed Fine.

Wat is Nasty is an UNTuned Car goin' by with Open Windows and Foul Cig Smoke Bellowing Out.

A Double Whammy of Sickening Car Exhaust and Lung Exhaust.

Only Dirty Foul Air at Coal Plant was from Car Exhaust and Human Lung Exhaust.

Coal Plants are SAWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET.

Looking Thru Coal Burning Boiler Sight-Glass and All I've Ever Seen is a Beautifully Hot Sun Colored Flame.

And As I was Lookin', Breathing Fine, Real Fine.

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