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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21209 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Here is a brave attempt against the continued denial: Avaaz - Sign the emergency appeal for climate action! wrote: To world leaders: Add your say to sway the Glasgow collection of world leaders... All on our only one planet, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24911 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
We're only here for the photoshoot London to Glasgow = 7 hours (4 in car so 2x30m pitstops = 8 hours min) Print a burger With the West's love of fast food, that's going to need lot of printers. Hmm...wait a minute... |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
I look to Carboniferous Period of 60 Million Years and Its MEGA Flora and MEGA Fauna. Climate Change Events during this period. And Not One Human. Earth then was Packed with Life. No Humans Yet Many Climate Change Events I Vociferously DENY Human Caused Climate Change Yope May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21209 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Deny this?... CLIMATE GAMES! Glaciers Are Disappearing Almost As Fast As You Can Ski Down Them | Climate Games wrote: How badly is our planet heating up? I’ve put together an experiment that asks: How much of an olympic-sized swimming pool would be filled with glacial meltwater in the time it takes to ski down a glacier? Helping me - by actually skiing down a glacier - is JT Holmes. And you won’t believe the final answer... Ouch!! And not only for the skiing and bloody nose! (And I've never before seen the physics loving presenter so sombre...) All on the only one planet that we have... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Snowball Earth and SlushBall Earth had NO HUMANs Human Made Climate CHANGE DENIED!!!!! Yep May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24911 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Her office told the Times of Israel she waited outside the venue in Glasgow for two hours, and she was eventually forced to return to her hotel in the Scottish capital Edinburgh 80km (50 miles) away.Hmm... ...shortage of hotels in Glasgow? As for the source, it's just a case of 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Though I am reluctant to present facts in front of true believers: The energy output from the Sun has increased significantly during the 20th century, according to a new study. https://www.space.com/2942-sun-activity-increased-century-study-confirms.html ACS Climate Science Toolkit | Narratives Remark: “The Earth has certainly been warming since we have added so much CO2 to the atmosphere from fossil fuel burning.” Reply: “Forget the CO2. Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas. It controls the Earth’s temperature.” https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/climatescience/climatesciencenarratives/its-water-vapor-not-the-co2.html Clouds are water vapor and anyone who has a swimming pool can attest to the effects of cloud cover vs a clear night sky. It made at least a 1 degree difference in temperature drop overnight in my backyard pool. So can we have a civil discussion based on facts rather than assertions. By the way what are you paying per Kilowatt-hour there in the Northwest. TVA here was burning mostly gas but now the price has gone up for gas: still at around 10 cents per Kwh here in Tennessee. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11416 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
My base rate is 8 cents and it goes up to 11 cents if I use excessive amounts. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Fabulous--very hard to believe. Here is what I find--if wind and solar are heavily used --are they subsidized ? Seattle area households paid an average of 11.7 cents per kilowatt hour (kWh) of electricity in September 2021, compared to the 11.4 cents per kWh paid in September 2020. The average cost of utility (piped) gas at $1.187 per therm in September was more than the $1.089 per therm spent last year.Oct 19, 2021. This is much less than I would have guessed. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21209 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
And the denial (or confusion or confabulation) is?... Note from that very same ACS article: ... The greenhouse effect that has maintained the Earth’s temperature at a level warm enough for human civilization to develop over the past several millennia is controlled by non-condensable gases, mainly carbon dioxide, CO2, with smaller contributions from methane, CH4, nitrous oxide, N2O, and ozone, O3. ... Because these gases are not condensable at atmospheric temperatures and pressures, the atmosphere can pack in much more of these gases . Thus, CO2 (as well as CH4, N2O, and O3) has been building up in the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution when we began burning large amounts of fossil fuel. That nicely describes the positive forcing and feedback loop that we see happening, now, that is caused by the ever increasing pollution from burning fossil fuels. For a down-to-earth analogy, the CO2 is your heavy foot on the gas pedal, and the water vapor in the air is the size of your vehicle engine heating up the world. Similarly, if we reduce the level of CO2 (and methane) down to the levels seen 200 years ago, then we will oncemore get the more benign and pleasant and more profitable weather as seen all those years ago. How can that not be a better scenario than ever more deadly extremes? All on our only one planet, Martin Edit: Grammar See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22528 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
About half way through the space.com article there is this little gem: The rise in solar activity at the beginning of the last century through the 1950s or so matches with the increase in global temperatures, Usoskin said. But the link doesn't hold up from about the 1970s to present. So we have a rise in solar activity (however Usoskin defined it) up to about 1950, but then it stabilises or decreases, but global mean temperatures have continued to rise. Not exactly a "good" correlation, especially when one looks the whole data, the rise in solar activity appears to have started about 1900, over half a century after the start of the current rise in global temperature. Me thinks we have a journalist looking for a headline so they can get their next pay cheque, not a scientist showing some real facts. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Increased Output from SUN since.................. No Humans On or In? Sun. Human Made; Human Influenced; Human Wished For; Human MADE UP Climate Change: DENIED Yope May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36779 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Oh you are a really bright spark in the multi-verse. :-D |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24911 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
You gotta love the irony. Glasgow International Airport is approx. 9.9 miles from Glasgow City Centre. Also Glasgow has some amazing 5 star hotels. Yet we get this: Edinburgh to COP26 - 50 miles... ...and this... & this is just's Biden's entourage. :-( |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Four Billion Years Earth has had Climate Change. Much of It MAJOR. Humans Time on Earth Like One Dust Speck on a Computer Screen. IOWs, 'bout NON-EXISTENT. And as Effectual to Not Seeing dA BS on it. Again. Human Made Climate Change - DENIED Yope May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
What Person on Earth - Right this Very Moment - is Being Harmed by Climate Change? NOT ONE PERSON What Person on Earth - Right This Very Moment - Is Being Harmed by Something Other than Climate Change? So Many it is NOT KNOWN 'cept by Person Being Harmed. And These People are NOT BLAMING or Thinking 'bout Climate Change as their Personage is Suffering or Worse from Something Harmful and Deadly NOT CLIMATE CHANGE. Again. Man Made Climate Change - DENIED Yep May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11416 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
The coast of Lousiana for one but bacon will help you see. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36779 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
What Person on Earth - Right this Very Moment - is Being Harmed by Climate Change?You may want to ask the people living in these places those questions. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24911 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Yet again, see climate B/S. Whether or not it is real or not is not the question. Do those sitting in their "nice comfy & warm" offices really have more than 2 braincells between them? So let's label up. A=Washing machine. B=Fridge freezer. C=Tumble dryer. A & C, lovely jubbly. Now B - Really? Cost difference = 1,058 Energy difference= 814 Hmm... ...maybe insulate Britain can "force" the government(taxpayers) to pay the extra 244? No need for the currency symbol, after all, numbers are numbers right? |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Weather as Exists Today and Much Worse has been Battering All Places on Earth for Billions and Billions of Years. And There Was NO HuWoManKind on Earth. NONE ZERO ZIP Again. Human Made; Influenced; Hoped For; Dreamed About; is DENIED Yope May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
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