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Message 2079766 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 2:59:54 UTC

How many Vaccinnated and preach costantly to VAX:

Drink and Drive?

Smoke 2,3, 4 Packs of Cigs a Day?

Are Extremely Obese?

Never Exercise?

Drive their cars too fast in residential areas; and all Other Roads and Hiways while talking on phone and barely watching road?

How many Nod off while driving?

Continue to do harmful illegal drugs or legal drugs to harmful excess?

The List of 'Doings' harmful to Health and Life of Doers and Ones purposely or 'accidently 'Done To' by da 'Doer' is Extremely
Long.

Yet before their VAX and After their VAX they continue with these Uncountable 'Doings' Harmful to Life and Limb.

Hmmmm

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Message 2079783 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 12:23:39 UTC - in response to Message 2079766.  
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How many Vaccinnated and preach costantly to VAX:

This is all a question of scale, how many people, and consequences upon how many other people...

Are we sociable and cooperative and happy to help each other out?

Or is it uncaring dog-eat-dog and everyone else go get damned?...

What works better?...


Drink and Drive?

Dangerous to the perpetrator. That one drunk then kills an innocent family in a vehicle crash...


Smoke 2,3, 4 Packs of Cigs a Day?

Usually kills the perpetrator with an unhealthy death. Unpleasant smell for all around. Expensive for everyone else for any social care costs for that smoker.


Are Extremely Obese?

Usually kills the perpetrator with an unhealthy death. Expensive for everyone else for any social care costs to nurse the perpetrator along.


Never Exercise?

That one is of little consequence to others.


Drive their cars too fast in residential areas; and all Other Roads and Hiways while talking on phone and barely watching road?

Same as for drunk driving but with added recklessness and added consequences against others for a deadly crash.


How many Nod off while driving?

Too many!... With deadly consequences... One notable example is our Selby crash where one sleepy road driver 'took out' two entire trains with great death and mayhem... Consequences.


Continue to do harmful illegal drugs or legal drugs to harmful excess?

Same as smoking but worse/faster/sooner...


The List of 'Doings' harmful to Health and Life of Doers and Ones purposely or 'accidently 'Done To' by da 'Doer' is Extremely Long.

All up to your imagination.

Instead, why not try the simple beautiful commandment for the good of yourself and for all around: "Love (be considerate/kindly towards) thy neighbor (fellow man/woman)".


Yet before their VAX and After their VAX they continue with these Uncountable 'Doings' Harmful to Life and Limb.

Hmmmm

Yep

The consequences of all those listed deadly ills are for a single localized event. The consequences are against a few unfortunate victims and yourself, all at only one place.


This is all in stark contrast to, the consequences of not getting vaccinated and so spreading the COVID infection... One uncaring/unaware person can go on to infect very many other people to make for a lot of new victims. From that, some will die, some will be left permanently disabled, some suffer long term being ill, and most are made very badly ill but recover.

The consequences are BIG.

One recent COVID example is the taxi driver in Australian who has been found to have now directly caused over 100 people to be seriously ill...


Youz haz consequences!

Big YEP!


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Message 2079799 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 13:58:59 UTC - in response to Message 2079783.  

Youz haz consequences!
But they don't effect my profit! Says those for whom profit is the only motivation.
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Message 2079803 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 15:45:37 UTC - in response to Message 2079783.  

How many Vaccinnated and preach costantly to VAX:

This is all a question of scale, how many people, and consequences upon how many other people...

Are we sociable and cooperative and happy to help each other out?

Or is it uncaring dog-eat-dog and everyone else go get damned?...

What works better?...


Drink and Drive?

Dangerous to the perpetrator. That one drunk then kills an innocent family in a vehicle crash...


Smoke 2,3, 4 Packs of Cigs a Day?

Usually kills the perpetrator with an unhealthy death. Unpleasant smell for all around. Expensive for everyone else for any social care costs for that smoker.


Are Extremely Obese?

Usually kills the perpetrator with an unhealthy death. Expensive for everyone else for any social care costs to nurse the perpetrator along.


Never Exercise?

That one is of little consequence to others.


Drive their cars too fast in residential areas; and all Other Roads and Hiways while talking on phone and barely watching road?

Same as for drunk driving but with added recklessness and added consequences against others for a deadly crash.


How many Nod off while driving?

Too many!... With deadly consequences... One notable example is our Selby crash where one sleepy road driver 'took out' two entire trains with great death and mayhem... Consequences.


Continue to do harmful illegal drugs or legal drugs to harmful excess?

Same as smoking but worse/faster/sooner...


The List of 'Doings' harmful to Health and Life of Doers and Ones purposely or 'accidently 'Done To' by da 'Doer' is Extremely Long.

All up to your imagination.

Instead, why not try the simple beautiful commandment for the good of yourself and for all around: "Love (be considerate/kindly towards) thy neighbor (fellow man/woman)".


Yet before their VAX and After their VAX they continue with these Uncountable 'Doings' Harmful to Life and Limb.

Hmmmm

Yep

The consequences of all those listed deadly ills are for a single localized event. The consequences are against a few unfortunate victims and yourself, all at only one place.


This is all in stark contrast to, the consequences of not getting vaccinated and so spreading the COVID infection... One uncaring/unaware person can go on to infect very many other people to make for a lot of new victims. From that, some will die, some will be left permanently disabled, some suffer long term being ill, and most are made very badly ill but recover.

The consequences are BIG.

One recent COVID example is the taxi driver in Australian who has been found to have now directly caused over 100 people to be seriously ill...


Youz haz consequences!

Big YEP!


Stay safe folks!!
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How exactly does the questioner know the ones involved in such behaviors are the ones vaccinated? Anecdotal evidence? Confirmation bias?
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Message 2079807 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 16:52:49 UTC - in response to Message 2079803.  
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How exactly does the questioner know the ones involved in such behaviors are the ones vaccinated? Anecdotal evidence? Confirmation bias?

I thought the assumption was that:

  • Those that have gone to the effort to go get vaccinated are those people that are in whatever way more 'kindly', 'caring', 'public spirited'.

  • Whereas those not vaccinated are suffering a social stigma for not being vaccinated...



Hence there is somehow a new divide of the vaccinated and non-vaccinated?

Or is that a topic better suited to the politics of the Trump thread?!


Myself, I'm just staying practical and pragmatic that the non-vaccinated must be treated with a healthy dose of caution in case they may be unknowingly/unwittingly infectious.

Then again, myself and all my friends are vaccinated and so at least we can be fully relaxed amongst ourselves.

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Message 2079808 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 17:14:13 UTC

I read what ML1 quoted as claims that the vaccinated engage in all sorts sorts of other risky behaviors. I want to know what the scientific evidence is for such claims.
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Message 2079816 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 19:45:52 UTC

VAX or UNVAXed People will continue to Do What People Do.

All Ways to Die - Individually or Taking Out Others On Purpose; Accidentally; or Never Knowing an Action caused Death Now or Much Later to a Stranger or SomeOne Known -
Will Continue.

CV has NOT ENLIGHTENED Humans to Their Faults; Stupidities; and BAD LUCK.

Laws; Rules; and Changes in Ways to Do Things initiated by this CV Event - will SomeHow Find Their Way to Cause Unintended Deaths.

Wanna Bet?

Nope.

Youse Be Right Broheim

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Message 2079817 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 19:51:41 UTC - in response to Message 2079807.  
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Myself, I'm just staying practical and pragmatic that the non-vaccinated must be treated with a healthy dose of caution in case they may be unknowingly/unwittingly infectious.
Then again, myself and all my friends are vaccinated and so at least we can be fully relaxed amongst ourselves.
Hmm...
...choices, choices...
1984...
or...elitism?
In written guidance published after the press conference, the government said it "reserves the right" to force venues to require people to show their vaccine passport in order to be allowed in.
Advised to ask for vaccine passports
So far, haven't seen any scientific evidence that the vaccines can prevent serious mutated Covid infections.
The decision to relax restrictions comes as UK case numbers have increased to an average of 30,000 a day, driven by the highly-transmissible Delta variant of the disease.
The variant has caused a surge in cases across Europe where other nations have decided to reintroduce restrictions.
Unlike the UK where restrictions end on the 19th.
Lessons to be learnt?
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Message 2079822 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 20:38:43 UTC

One recent COVID example is the taxi driver in Australian who has been found to have now directly caused over 100 people to be seriously ill.
Actually there's a couple of errors there with that statement.

Firstly it was a Limousine Driver and not your average everyday cabbie (there's a big difference in pay grade) that kicked the outbreak off and secondly there are 63 infected people in hospital in this state of New South Wales, but that also includes some people that have returned from overseas, and of those 18 are in ICU and of those 4 are being ventilated (there was also 1 death).

Country wide there are 124 hospitalisations with 20 of them in ICU with no others being ventilated, but in the Northern Territory and Queensland all cases are hospitalised whether they need it or not.

ATM the limo driver's outbreak presently numbers 790 infections along with 1 death. It also shows the difference in the handling of outbreaks here where those states run by the left will lockdown immediately now to crush an outbreak while in this state of N.S.W. which is run by the right is more worried about the books than the people so only has a pretty soft lockdown compared to the other states' responses. :-(

I hope that that sets things straight there. ;-)
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Message 2079827 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 21:17:50 UTC - in response to Message 2079817.  
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Myself, I'm just staying practical and pragmatic that the non-vaccinated must be treated with a healthy dose of caution in case they may be unknowingly/unwittingly infectious.
Then again, myself and all my friends are vaccinated and so at least we can be fully relaxed amongst ourselves.
Hmm...
...choices, choices...
...
or...elitism?

Merely the good healthy choice of self preservation.

Thankfully for myself at least, there is a choice.

For example:

There is the choice of beers in someone's garden amongst (known vaccinated) known friends, or beers in a venue staffed by young unvaccinated staff and crowded by many other patrons of unknown vaccination status?... Along with present infection rates pretty much guaranteeing that at least one or more of the people in there is infectious...

No brains needed for that one!


1984...
In written guidance published after the press conference, the government said it "reserves the right" to force venues to require people to show their vaccine passport in order to be allowed in.
Advised to ask for vaccine passports...

That is a very valid concern and that is also all very suspicious with the present background of:

  • The 'centralized' no-privacy version of the NHS Palantir tracing app that was abortively foisted upon the public (the present version is non-centralized to help with anonymity);
  • The NHS Digital group's ongoing pending datagrab of everyone's entire medical records for [Marketing] 'research' and 'planning'. (See: How to opt out.)




The decision to relax restrictions comes as UK case numbers have increased to an average of 30,000 a day, driven by the highly-transmissible Delta variant of the disease.
The variant has caused a surge in cases across Europe where other nations have decided to reintroduce restrictions.
Unlike the UK where restrictions end on the 19th.
Lessons to be learnt?

Yes... Crazy.

... And 1-in-10 to 1-in-5 victims will go on to suffer "Long COVID" long term ailments...


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Message 2079829 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 21:27:28 UTC - in response to Message 2079822.  

... ATM the limo driver's outbreak presently numbers 790 infections along with 1 death...

Ouch!

Thanks for the correction and apologies to the limo driver for besmirching that professional status.


"790 infections along with 1 death"!

That is some nightmare conscience to carry...


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Message 2079834 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 22:12:34 UTC

ATM the limo driver's outbreak presently numbers 790 infections along with 1 death.
A correction is again needed here as it looks like some idiot counted yesterday's numbers twice so infections only number 678, but that's still bad enough and it looks like Gladys, by latest reports here this morning, might actually announce that a proper lockdown may happen for greater Sydney in 3hrs time.
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Message 2079857 - Posted: 13 Jul 2021, 5:56:01 UTC - in response to Message 2079378.  

Singapore has virtually said the Sinovac vaccine doesn't work.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/singapore-not-counting-sinovac-shots-covid-19-vaccination-tally-2021-07-07/

Further indication that the Sinovac vaccine is not protecting against the Delta variant have been reported in Thailand and Indonesia. Saying that fully vaccinated health care workers have been infected and that there have been deaths.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/12/coronavirus-latest-updates/
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Message 2079863 - Posted: 13 Jul 2021, 10:06:04 UTC - in response to Message 2079857.  

Just reinforces this:
So far, haven't seen any scientific evidence that the vaccines can prevent serious mutated Covid infections.
That's 1 down...
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Message 2079865 - Posted: 13 Jul 2021, 12:03:12 UTC - in response to Message 2079863.  
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Just reinforces this:
So far, haven't seen any scientific evidence that the vaccines can prevent serious mutated Covid infections.
That's 1 down...

There is very good evidence that the Pfizer/Moderna style vaccines work very well against all the present variants. Also, the way those vaccines focus upon only one part of the coronavirus 'spike' protein means that a broad swathe of mutations will be covered.

The Astra-Zenica style vaccines look to have a more mixed effect but still with good effect and good enough to keep the great majority of people out of hospital.

The efficacy of the Sputnik and Sinovac vaccines have been noted to be less, but they are still effective enough to keep most people out of hospital. However, is that still the case if the second booster jab is given too early?...

Note that our studies for here in the UK have backed up what was initially a very controversial move to delay the second booster dose. Our trials now show that the extra period before giving the booster jab actually gives a much better stronger boost.


Here's hoping that we have enough people vaccinated to thwart the latest UK wave of COVID and combined abandoned restrictions!


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Message 2079909 - Posted: 13 Jul 2021, 20:10:49 UTC

Masking is dA RULE fO Flights. No Mask No Go fO You.

Not da TX DEMs. No Mask fO Us Baby!!!!! DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO. Go Dems Go!!!!!

Goin' to JAIL BABY!!!!!



3 hots and a cot BABY!!!!!

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Message 2079970 - Posted: 14 Jul 2021, 6:32:10 UTC
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The world's total case has now exceeded 188.6 million while deaths has passed 4,065,800. :-(

Changes at the top end of the death list have been Tunisia passing Egypt, but they still remain in 35th place as Bangladesh leapt over both to claim 34th and they're extremely like to move up 2-3 more spots by my next update, while at the lower end Madagascar bumped Australia down to 114th so now let's get on with the case list changes.

Well as usual most of the activity is happening down at the lower and mid of the list with Laos jumping past both Sint Maarten and New Zealand to claim 182nd spot, the Channel Islands leapt over Saint Lucia, Niger and Burundi to land in 170th while Fiji took flight again becoming the 158th member of the 11K+ club and after passing over 5 countries they landed at the bar of the 12K+ club becoming the 154th member, Martinique sailed on past Curaçao and Congo to become the 151st member of the 13K+ club only to continue on past the Bahamas into 150th spot while showing no signs of slowing down.

Eswatini was the 135th country to enter the 20K+ club, cheeky little Malta took except to Australia passing them so repassed them back as Réunion passed Cabo Verde, but both remain in place because Vietnam took flight over French Guiana and all of them to briefly touchdown in 123rd, Rwanda bumped the Ivory Coast out of 114th as Cambodia became the 112th member of the 60K+ club and are now polishing Singapore's tow ball, Zimbabwe was the 110th country to join the 70K+ club before sweeping Luxembourg from 109th and Mozambique became the 102nd country to enter the 90K+ clubhouse with a lonely China now in its sights.

Mongolia displaced Latvia from 90th spot, South Korea replaced Nigeria in 85th while Myanmar became the 82nd member of the 200K+ club, Libya removed Bosnia/Herzegovina from 80th as Sri Lanka slipped past Ethiopia into 71st, Oman passed Egypt and Venezuela to claim 66th, but I think that there could be a tussle in the offering between Oman and Venezuela, after Denmark became the 65th member of the 300K+ club.

Thailand (who only passed Australia a few months ago) has now claimed 60th place after passing the Dominican Republic and Azerbaijan, Georgia and Kuwait both shoved Uruguay out of the way to take over 56th & 57th respectively as Kazakhstan booted Bolivia from 47th, Tunisia was the 45th to join the 500K+ club and then swept Saudi Arabia out of their way into 44th while Austria was knocked out of 40th by the U.A.E., Malaysia rolled right on past Israel into 32nd and Indonesia absolutely blasted Mexico from 15th.

Which is rounded out by Spain becoming the 11th country to enter the 4M+ clubhouse as Russia flung France out of its way to reclaim 4th place.

Meanwhile here down under the limo driver's outbreak now numbers 864 cases along with 2 deaths and Gladys extends her softdown for the state for another 2 weeks (when will she learn that a short sharp proper lockdown weeks ago would've had this over by now). :-(

Anyhow that's it until next time.
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Message 2079997 - Posted: 14 Jul 2021, 14:25:18 UTC

My worse concerns have become fact.
Whether or not it is an isolated incident is now the question.
Overheard a conversation in the office so asked my supervisor, it is true.
A work colleague caught Covid from her boyfriend so is now self isolating & has being doing so for close to 2 weeks now.
Hmm, they kept that quiet..
The issue is - She has had both jabs.
So...
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Message 2080029 - Posted: 15 Jul 2021, 0:01:31 UTC - in response to Message 2079997.  

My worse concerns have become fact.
Whether or not it is an isolated incident is now the question.
Overheard a conversation in the office so asked my supervisor, it is true.
A work colleague caught Covid from her boyfriend so is now self isolating & has being doing so for close to 2 weeks now.
Hmm, they kept that quiet..
The issue is - She has had both jabs.
So...


I have heard no one of repute stating that someone fully vaccinated say one will not catch the coronavirus after. The question is, how bad will the disease get for her?
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