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Message 2072713 - Posted: 7 Apr 2021, 10:18:42 UTC

Taking stupidity to the limit. :-O

Texas Rangers game draws crowd of almost 40,000 despite ongoing coronavirus pandemic.

It could only come from 1 country in the world. :-(
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Message 2072730 - Posted: 7 Apr 2021, 13:59:04 UTC - in response to Message 2072713.  

It could only come from 1 country in the world. :-(
One state of one country ...
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Message 2072734 - Posted: 7 Apr 2021, 14:27:57 UTC - in response to Message 2072713.  

Taking stupidity to the limit. :-O

It could only come from 1 country in the world. :-(

Hyperbole.

Look at how Brazil and India are doing. Brazil basically said "just let everyone get it and let the weak die off". and because of this we have additional variants to deal with. their poor leadership and management gets a pass because why?

certainly doesn't fit the position of "could only come from 1 country". you could at least try to hide your bias.
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Message 2072740 - Posted: 7 Apr 2021, 16:21:58 UTC - in response to Message 2072734.  

Taking stupidity to the limit. :-O

It could only come from 1 country in the world. :-(

Hyperbole.

Look at how Brazil and India are doing. Brazil basically said "just let everyone get it and let the weak die off". and because of this we have additional variants to deal with. their poor leadership and management gets a pass because why?

certainly doesn't fit the position of "could only come from 1 country". you could at least try to hide your bias.

What other countries are doing or are not doing is totally no excuse for the inexcusable.


Greedy corruption kills...

As we also see for political stupidity against reality!


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Message 2072743 - Posted: 7 Apr 2021, 16:29:58 UTC - in response to Message 2072740.  
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my only argument was against the comment that "only 1 country" could do wrong. if even ONE other country is handling things poorly, the whole argument is false. certainly more than the one country he doesn't like is having leadership/management issues regarding the pandemic. and such a comment shows clear bias. this whole thread has basically devolved into a "US bad, everyone else good" echo chamber with key players just feeding off each other LOL.
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Message 2072754 - Posted: 7 Apr 2021, 17:28:49 UTC - in response to Message 2072743.  
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... only argument was against the comment that "only 1 country" could do wrong...

Well, the USA does lead the world for suffering the adverse effects from the presently ongoing pandemic. Also, we've seen a very influential USA past leader push some very unhealthy politics that has undoubtedly unnecessarily killed people. All whilst he availed himself of all the best precautions and best treatments possible... Unfortunately, the deadly politics continue in various USA states.

Meanwhile around the rest of the world, there are similarly undoubtedly deadly politics and regimes playing their deadly unhealthy games. Those consequences get reported in this thread.

However, for myself, there is a sense of impossible madness and deadly corruption for how the official policies and messages in some of the USA states appear to flagrantly deny that COVID exists!

And yet people unnecessarily die.


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Message 2072755 - Posted: 7 Apr 2021, 17:31:10 UTC - in response to Message 2072743.  

my only argument was against the comment that "only 1 country" could do wrong. if even ONE other country is handling things poorly, the whole argument is false. certainly more than the one country he doesn't like is having leadership/management issues regarding the pandemic. and such a comment shows clear bias. this whole thread has basically devolved into a "US bad, everyone else good" echo chamber with key players just feeding off each other LOL.

And that is a comment that doesn't match reality as we have an idiot called Boris over here, that we have criticized frequently.
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Message 2072756 - Posted: 7 Apr 2021, 17:37:55 UTC - in response to Message 2072754.  

Meanwhile around the rest of the world, there are similarly undoubtedly deadly politics and regimes playing their deadly unhealthy games. Those consequences get reported in this thread.


so I guess what you're saying is that it's not "only 1 country"? which is exactly what I was saying.
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Message 2072758 - Posted: 7 Apr 2021, 17:42:25 UTC - in response to Message 2072755.  

... we have an idiot called Boris over here, that we have criticized frequently.

At least our idiot finally does wear a mask!

Meanwhile, we have Chris Whitty and Jonathan Van-Tam and science to save us all!!


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Message 2072761 - Posted: 7 Apr 2021, 17:48:57 UTC - in response to Message 2072743.  

this whole thread has basically devolved into a "US bad, everyone else good" echo chamber with key players just feeding off each other LOL.
Pretty sure that there have been others bashing their respective country's just as much as there has been U.S. bashing.
No one country has handled this pandemic in an exemplary manner.
The generalisation you have just stated was unjustified.
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Message 2072789 - Posted: 7 Apr 2021, 20:36:25 UTC - in response to Message 2072734.  

Taking stupidity to the limit. :-O

It could only come from 1 country in the world. :-(
Hyperbole.

Look at how Brazil and India are doing. Brazil basically said "just let everyone get it and let the weak die off". and because of this we have additional variants to deal with. their poor leadership and management gets a pass because why?

certainly doesn't fit the position of "could only come from 1 country". you could at least try to hide your bias.
Yep a first world developed country that has managed to out strip developing countries.

I'm sorry, but no bias is being shown here by me as the numbers tell it all. The U.S. (pop. 332.4 million) has recorded over 31.6 million cases, Brazil (pop. 213.7 million) 13.1 million cases and India (pop. 1,390 million) 12.9 million cases, but the facts are the facts and the U.S. has done very badly through this pandemic and so easily could've done so much better. And yes there are many other countries that havn't done that well either, but only 1 sits at the top of both the cases and deaths lists with a lot of daylight between 1st and 2nd places on those lists.
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Message 2072808 - Posted: 7 Apr 2021, 23:03:53 UTC - in response to Message 2072789.  
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Taking stupidity to the limit. :-O

It could only come from 1 country in the world. :-(
Hyperbole.

Look at how Brazil and India are doing. Brazil basically said "just let everyone get it and let the weak die off". and because of this we have additional variants to deal with. their poor leadership and management gets a pass because why?

certainly doesn't fit the position of "could only come from 1 country". you could at least try to hide your bias.
Yep a first world developed country that has managed to out strip developing countries.

I'm sorry, but no bias is being shown here by me as the numbers tell it all. The U.S. (pop. 332.4 million) has recorded over 31.6 million cases, Brazil (pop. 213.7 million) 13.1 million cases and India (pop. 1,390 million) 12.9 million cases, but the facts are the facts and the U.S. has done very badly through this pandemic and so easily could've done so much better. And yes there are many other countries that havn't done that well either, but only 1 sits at the top of both the cases and deaths lists with a lot of daylight between 1st and 2nd places on those lists.


the thing about the numbers is you can cherry pick what fits your argument. and you can ignore things and make gross assumptions that infection rate scales linearly with population. The US has a large population, with states with a larger population than a lot of countries. Moreover don't ignore population density, as closer proximity promotes more infections. or ignoring things like population age (India for example is a very young country demographically) so you can't just look at numbers like this and say X country is better than Y, X's country must be doing something wrong when you don't consider the whole picture.

lets look at case fatality. the US hovers around 1.8% on average, and that's good. better than most of Europe. hell, look at the UK certainly not a third world or developing country, with 4,368,863 cases total, and 126,956 deaths, that's a case fatality of 2.9%. Why are UK's leaders letting so many more infected people die? surely this must be down to some policies or deficiencies in handling the pandemic and hospital load? It's based on the numbers.
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Message 2072814 - Posted: 8 Apr 2021, 1:02:47 UTC - in response to Message 2072808.  
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... lets look at case fatality. the US hovers around 1.8% on average, and that's good. better than most of Europe. hell, look at the UK certainly not a third world or developing country, with 4,368,863 cases total, and 126,956 deaths, that's a case fatality of 2.9%. Why are UK's leaders letting so many more infected people die? surely this must be down to some policies or deficiencies in handling the pandemic and hospital load? It's based on the numbers.

Those aspects are certainly interesting...

For the UK unfortunately, possibly due to some crassly ill-thought out knee-jerk panic reactions, we had a disproportionate spread of the pandemic amongst our older and more vulnerable population.

For some 'developing' countries of the world, there is a very low mortality rate, due to the very low average age of the population for those areas...

And then for the USA with large tracts of sparse population, and then also with high density city states, we should see a proportionate mix of results contrasting those different environmental conditions. There is a recent headline that over half of the USA current COVID infections are spread across just a handful of states... What is driving such a concentration? Environmental or political or a combination of effects?

The USA lower mortality rate is actually more suggestive that it is mainly the younger Americans that are getting ill...

Also, how do the proportions work out for infection rate and the human consequences?

Regardless: Note that the USA has seen a +23% leap upwards in the number of deaths for last year...


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Message 2072815 - Posted: 8 Apr 2021, 1:17:13 UTC - in response to Message 2072814.  

Don't forget the Kent variant hit the UK hard, but because we do a lot of sequencing the UK spotted it and told the world.

It is not our fault the the main variant affecting the EU, the U.S. and other parts of the World now is B.1.1.7.
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Message 2072819 - Posted: 8 Apr 2021, 1:39:06 UTC

Ian, how can pulling the top 3 on the case list (though Mexico does bump India down to 4th on the death list) be considered as "cherry picking" (especially when 1 sticks out so far ahead of the rest)?

Also how does the 3rd most populous country in the world (the U.S. accounts for 4.25% of the world's total population and is reported as the supposedly the most advanced one) account for around 25% of the world's total reported cases and about 20% of the total deaths?

Or is it that playing Russian Roulette with life and death just the normal way of how things are done over there?

I'm sorry if you don't like that, but if you're going to stand head and shoulders above the rest then you must expect the criticism (I've been critical of many other countries, many in Europe, and even my own here at times, but I guess that you just ignore those posts).

Meanwhile tiny little Malta (pop. approx. 442,400) has just knocked us here down to 116th spot on the case list while we currently sit at 98th on the death list , not too bad for the 55th most populous country (pop. approx. 25.7 million) in the world I guess, but it could've been so much better if it wasn't for Victoria's (a state of nearly 6.7 million) epic stuff up (and it was epic as they currently account for 20,484 of our 29,382 cases and 820 of our 909 deaths).
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Message 2072822 - Posted: 8 Apr 2021, 1:56:44 UTC - in response to Message 2072819.  
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because you're painting with a broad brush based on one metric instead of considering factors that impact that metric (i gave several examples). basically you're making a conclusion based on a statistic that doesn't tell the whole story.

but all of this is really just devil's advocating to highlight how statistics shouldnt be taken at face value.

i don't pretend to think that every part of the US has done everything right, even though my little pocket of the country has fared better than most in terms of metro areas. I only pointed out the bias in a comment like "it could only be one country" as if only one country has handled things poorly here. the fact that SEVERAL others are making arguably worse decisions invalidates that whole supposition.
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Message 2072824 - Posted: 8 Apr 2021, 2:08:23 UTC

... painting with a broad brush based on one metric instead of considering factors that impact that metric...

Please explain further for what we should be looking at other than infection rate and death rate?

Note that using a "rate" (or percentage) balances out between countries for different population sizes...


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Message 2072825 - Posted: 8 Apr 2021, 2:12:33 UTC

Just to note:

There is another aspect to all this regarding the USA:

We have some very high profile world news where there appear to be some states in the USA that appear to be recklessly ignoring COVID, regardless of what is considered good healthy practice, that raises astonishment and disgust against what appear to be such recklessly unhealthy approaches.

We await the consequences with bated breath!


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Message 2072828 - Posted: 8 Apr 2021, 2:30:33 UTC - in response to Message 2072825.  
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Just to note:

There is another aspect to all this regarding the USA:

We have some very high profile world news where there appear to be some states in the USA that appear to be recklessly ignoring COVID, regardless of what is considered good healthy practice, that raises astonishment and disgust against what appear to be such recklessly unhealthy approaches.

We await the consequences with bated breath!


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while it may seem reckless, do you now NOT trust the numbers?

Texas removed all restrictions a month ago (March 10th), yet the infection rate in that state continues on a downward trend.

Arizona/Arkansas/Alabama/Indiana/Iowa/WestVirginia are in the same boat. significantly reduced restrictions, yet infections continue to drop. why is that? it's not a rhetorical question, I'd love to hear why these states are seeing record low infection rates if loosening the restrictions is so bad.
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Message 2072829 - Posted: 8 Apr 2021, 2:38:53 UTC - in response to Message 2072824.  
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... painting with a broad brush based on one metric instead of considering factors that impact that metric...

Please explain further for what we should be looking at other than infection rate and death rate?

Note that using a "rate" (or percentage) balances out between countries for different population sizes...


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look for factors that impact the metric (demographics, population density, etc), as these metrics are not solely driven by leadership or political policy.

a country with 10x more population and 30x more density will obviously have higher infection rates, regardless of policy (unless the kind of policy you agree with are policies employed in places like China where they quite literally bolted peoples doors shut from the outside).
a country with an older population will see higher infections and deaths than a country with a younger population, regardless of policy.

things like that. you know, actually looking at things on a spectrum rather than black and white, and realizing that correlation doesnt equal causation, and recognizing your own internal biases when digesting stats.
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