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Message 2080391 - Posted: 19 Jul 2021, 20:33:44 UTC - in response to Message 2080388.  

...and a red nose for Khan
Stupidity at its finest.

IMO the decision to allow any public transport operation to be mask free is the real stupidity.

Trapped in a poorly ventilated tin can for many minutes with complete strangers has to one of the definitions that says "masks must be worn".
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Message 2080392 - Posted: 19 Jul 2021, 20:34:22 UTC - in response to Message 2080389.  

Also, not forgetting those that did dock but passengers & crews not allowed to disembark.
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Message 2080394 - Posted: 19 Jul 2021, 20:36:56 UTC - in response to Message 2080391.  

That's why a red nose for Khan. If tying down the biggest transport system in London to compulsory masks, the same should be said of all transport in London.
After all, the muppet is Mayor of LONDON not just TfL.
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Message 2080396 - Posted: 19 Jul 2021, 20:45:06 UTC - in response to Message 2080394.  

That's why a red nose for Khan. If tying down the biggest transport system in London to compulsory masks, the same should be said of all transport in London.
After all, the muppet is Mayor of LONDON not just TfL.
That's not his fault. The Barbican story (where National Rail and TfL share neighbouring platforms, but are governed by different rules) was created by the idiots who make rules without understanding or caring about what happens on the ground. In this case, the third-rate reserve team who make up Boris Johnson's government.
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Message 2080397 - Posted: 19 Jul 2021, 20:56:21 UTC - in response to Message 2080396.  
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But it is.
Mayor of London says it all. Masks are either compulsory or not on public transport. The owner/operator is not relevant.
Edit: Nearly had me there. :-)
Barbican has had no mainline trains stop there since 2009 after the platforms were extended at Farringdon.
Had to check TBH as wasn't 100% sure.
There are several other shared platforms but all still inside London.
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Message 2080401 - Posted: 19 Jul 2021, 21:16:11 UTC

Somebody please tell Bojo the Clown to STFU.
"And I should serve notice now that by the end of September, when all over 18s have had their chance to be double jabbed we're planning to make full vaccination the condition of entry to nightclubs and other venues where large crowds gather."
So from 19/7/21 until 30/9/21 is totally safe then Bojo?
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Message 2080404 - Posted: 19 Jul 2021, 21:38:10 UTC - in response to Message 2080397.  

But it is.
Mayor of London says it all. Masks are either compulsory or not on public transport. The owner/operator is not relevant.
Edit: Nearly had me there. :-)
Barbican has had no mainline trains stop there since 2009 after the platforms were extended at Farringdon.
Had to check TBH as wasn't 100% sure.
There are several other shared platforms but all still inside London.
It's a difficult question, which defeated Google.

ThamesLink trains, which the BBC report shows sharing a platform with Circle / Hammersmith & City trains are:
Temporarily shown on the Underground Network map.
Co-ticketed with TfL via the Oyster platform.

But I believe:
They are not managed by the same company
They do not share the same tracks or power supply systems.
They are subject to different pandemic rules.

I also believe that the Mayor can only make rules changes by ordering TfL to vary its 'conditions of carriage' - probably meaning you can walk mask-free on a TfL platform, but not board a train with the intention of going anywhere.

That's different from the National Rail rules, which - until today - demanded that you wore a mask on both trains and stations. Whether that station was King's Cross in the rush hour, or my little commuter halt (two piles of sleepers, two bus shelters, and - outside peak periods - no passengers).
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Message 2080406 - Posted: 19 Jul 2021, 22:03:48 UTC - in response to Message 2080404.  

ThamesLink trains, which the BBC report shows sharing a platform with Circle / Hammersmith & City trains are:
Temporarily shown on the Underground Network map.
Co-ticketed with TfL via the Oyster platform.
Still in service. - Faringdon to other destinations. Barbican route no longer in use.
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Message 2080409 - Posted: 19 Jul 2021, 22:18:18 UTC - in response to Message 2080406.  

Sorry, my mistake in message 2080396. I mis-remembered Barbican, but the BBC story clearly cites Farringdon as an example of the stations where mask confusion arises.
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Message 2080410 - Posted: 19 Jul 2021, 22:44:02 UTC - in response to Message 2080409.  

No problem. Just forced me to recheck & confirm my memories.
Something I think all politicians do not have.
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Message 2080414 - Posted: 20 Jul 2021, 0:47:02 UTC - in response to Message 2080410.  

No problem. Just forced me to recheck & confirm my memories.
Something I think all politicians do not have.
They have very good memories of who gives them donations.
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Message 2080421 - Posted: 20 Jul 2021, 3:47:33 UTC - in response to Message 2080414.  

No problem. Just forced me to recheck & confirm my memories.
Something I think all politicians do not have.
They have very good memories of who gives them donations.



Mitch McConnell, meet your memory!
"Do you ... uhhhh, mean ... uhhh. the donors that .... uhhh, finally decided to try to ... uhhh, thin the populaton .... not realizing ... uhhh, that means ... uhhh, less people to profit off ... .uhhh, of?"
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Message 2080422 - Posted: 20 Jul 2021, 3:48:32 UTC - in response to Message 2080389.  

Got to ask:
220 countries (along with 2 ships)

What/why/how for the 2 ships?!
Cruise ships that were not allowed to dock at the time.

Yes, docking rights denied, no entry, drop your anchor in international waters.


.Makes one wonder why Trump didn't declare all waters international waters. as that would've made his early "number go down".
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Message 2080424 - Posted: 20 Jul 2021, 4:08:25 UTC - in response to Message 2080422.  

Got to ask:
220 countries (along with 2 ships)

What/why/how for the 2 ships?!
Cruise ships that were not allowed to dock at the time.

Yes, docking rights denied, no entry, drop your anchor in international waters.


.Makes one wonder why Trump didn't declare all waters international waters. as that would've made his early "number go down".

Didn't he try that with the South OF China Sea? Didn't go well for him.
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Message 2080434 - Posted: 20 Jul 2021, 12:08:38 UTC - in response to Message 2080422.  

... Cruise ships that were not allowed to dock at the time.

Yes, docking rights denied, no entry, drop your anchor in international waters.

Makes one wonder why Trump didn't declare all waters international waters. as that would've made his early "number go down".

Early on, didn't Trump try to block some cruise ships from docking in the USA so as to make his COVID numbers look 'better'?...


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Message 2080435 - Posted: 20 Jul 2021, 12:14:30 UTC
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Meanwhile around the world:


Covid-19: India excess deaths cross four million...
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The Covid-19 pandemic has caused excess deaths in India to cross more than four million, a new study has found...

Although it is difficult to say how many of these deaths have been caused by Covid-19, they are a measure of the overall impact of the pandemic.

India has officially recorded more than 414,000 Covid-19 deaths so far. The country is one of the few major economies without an estimate of excess deaths during the pandemic.

Researchers from the US-based Center for Global Development used three different data sources to estimate India's excess all-cause mortality during the pandemic until 21 June. They extrapolated death registrations from seven states...

... Taken together, the researchers found that excess deaths were estimated to be in the range of 3.4 million to 4.7 million - about 10 times higher than India's official Covid-19 death toll...


Apple delays return to office as Covid cases rise
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Apple is delaying the return of staff to its offices, as global Covid cases rise, Bloomberg reports.

The iPhone-maker had intended to bring workers in for three days a week from September but this had now been put back until at least October...


The office space example is rather telling: Only 1/3rd the usual number of workers can be accommodated healthily in the office space compared to (crammed smelly) business as usual?...



The reality of consequences hits home?...

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Message 2080436 - Posted: 20 Jul 2021, 12:16:38 UTC

Looks like there are different rules when crossing the border between England and Scotland
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-57896887 @13:01
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Message 2080448 - Posted: 20 Jul 2021, 13:13:13 UTC

Find this report hard to believe. However, if true...
"Hardly anyone under 60 goes into hospital... and of those virtually all survive. And I no longer buy all this NHS overwhelmed stuff. Folks I think we may need to recalibrate... There are max 3m in this country aged over 80."
He reportedly went on to write: "It shows we don't go for nationwide lockdown."
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Message 2080449 - Posted: 20 Jul 2021, 13:50:38 UTC - in response to Message 2080448.  
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Unfortunately, that mindset is far too believable and would confirm my personal suspicions for why the COVID response has been with the apparent strategies that we have seen...

Deadly incredible, but in my opinion and observations, very likely all too expensively deadly true.

With an added dose of Ivory Towers and extra generous helpings of Eton Mess...


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Message 2080454 - Posted: 20 Jul 2021, 14:16:40 UTC

The one major disturbing issue I've found during the last 17 months of this fiasco, is the unrelenting "herd stupidity" in labelling people that highlight genuine concerns.
Confrontational
Controversial
Anarchists
Conspiracy theorists...
and worst of all
...anti-vaxxers.

"Herd stupidity" at work
In addition, from 7 August in Wales double vaccinated adults will no longer have to self-isolate if a close contact tests positive for Covid.
And from 16 August fully vaccinated adults and under-18s in England also won't have to self-isolate if a close contact tests positive for Covid.
Scotland plans to introduce similar rules for adults, and is considering whether it can do the same for under-18s.
The vaccination DOES NOT guarantee immunity.
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