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Message 2079716 - Posted: 11 Jul 2021, 12:32:57 UTC - in response to Message 2079709.  
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Meanwhile here in the UK, the Government response is going for broke hoping that 'tactical' use of our health service will allow "Business as Usual" to fully resume. Meanwhile, all the non-vaccinated people are to be sacrificed to take their chances.

The results?

We have rapidly gone from sub-1000 new cases per day to now rocketing above 35000+ cases per day. The number of new cases is doubling every 6 days (which is what "exponential" means). If this trend continues, that suggests 70k next weekend and 150k new cases and onwards in two weeks time...

Our Government has been teasing out various propaganda over the last week to prime people to expect over 100k new cases per day. Reporting of the numbers is being discouraged so as not to 'scare' people.


This is quite the deadly experiment of the century.

And this is all a totally unknown experiment, unplanned, "out in the wild", with the general population as the experiment guinea pigs to see what long term disabilities are suffered and what new coronavirus variants are generated.


My own personal observations suggest that the only metric that our Government is working to, is purely how the newspapers report whether the NHS has enough beds to accommodate the hospitalized coronavirus victims. (Meanwhile, other patients die due to delayed operations and delayed diagnosis and delayed treatments for all other ailments...)


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Message 2079722 - Posted: 11 Jul 2021, 13:44:28 UTC - in response to Message 2079716.  

In addition to that, the (English) UK government has decided that full 'double jab plus waiting time' vaccination won't protect the general public until the middle of August.

But the same vaccination protocol will protect NHS staff next week. So medical staff will be expected to work in places like hospitals - attending to the vulnerable and the already-infected - while everyone else is forced to isolate and await the outcome of a potential infection.

So, key medical workers will be expected to work while potentially infectious, and:
either (a) - if infectious, infect their patients
or (b) - if not infectious, catch the virus from their patients.

And for that catch-22, they're being offered danger money of a 1% pay rise year-on-year.

I do wish politicians would learn to join the dots of a strategy.
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Message 2079728 - Posted: 11 Jul 2021, 16:46:00 UTC

Now you know why people will die. Utter stupidity.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lauren-boebert-tweet-variant/
On June 30, 2021, U.S. Rep. Lauren Boebert, R-Colorado, tweeted, “The easiest way to make the Delta variant go away is to turn off CNN. And vote Republican.”
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Message 2079743 - Posted: 11 Jul 2021, 21:28:12 UTC - in response to Message 2079728.  

Now you know why people will die. Utter stupidity.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lauren-boebert-tweet-variant/
On June 30, 2021, U.S. Rep. Lauren Boebert, R-Colorado, tweeted, “The easiest way to make the Delta variant go away is to turn off CNN. And vote Republican.”
What would expected coming from 1 of Donny's true RINO's?
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Message 2079744 - Posted: 11 Jul 2021, 21:34:53 UTC - in response to Message 2079728.  

Now you know why people will die. Utter stupidity.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lauren-boebert-tweet-variant/
On June 30, 2021, U.S. Rep. Lauren Boebert, R-Colorado, tweeted, “The easiest way to make the Delta variant go away is to turn off CNN. And vote Republican.”

An excellent example of Darwinism
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Message 2079752 - Posted: 11 Jul 2021, 23:28:24 UTC - in response to Message 2079744.  

Now you know why people will die. Utter stupidity.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lauren-boebert-tweet-variant/
On June 30, 2021, U.S. Rep. Lauren Boebert, R-Colorado, tweeted, “The easiest way to make the Delta variant go away is to turn off CNN. And vote Republican.”

An excellent example of Darwinism


I would not doubt this is the endgame. (I cued it up something toward the very end. Feel free to watch the whole thing.)
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Message 2079766 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 2:59:54 UTC

How many Vaccinnated and preach costantly to VAX:

Drink and Drive?

Smoke 2,3, 4 Packs of Cigs a Day?

Are Extremely Obese?

Never Exercise?

Drive their cars too fast in residential areas; and all Other Roads and Hiways while talking on phone and barely watching road?

How many Nod off while driving?

Continue to do harmful illegal drugs or legal drugs to harmful excess?

The List of 'Doings' harmful to Health and Life of Doers and Ones purposely or 'accidently 'Done To' by da 'Doer' is Extremely
Long.

Yet before their VAX and After their VAX they continue with these Uncountable 'Doings' Harmful to Life and Limb.

Hmmmm

Yep

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Message 2079783 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 12:23:39 UTC - in response to Message 2079766.  
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How many Vaccinnated and preach costantly to VAX:

This is all a question of scale, how many people, and consequences upon how many other people...

Are we sociable and cooperative and happy to help each other out?

Or is it uncaring dog-eat-dog and everyone else go get damned?...

What works better?...


Drink and Drive?

Dangerous to the perpetrator. That one drunk then kills an innocent family in a vehicle crash...


Smoke 2,3, 4 Packs of Cigs a Day?

Usually kills the perpetrator with an unhealthy death. Unpleasant smell for all around. Expensive for everyone else for any social care costs for that smoker.


Are Extremely Obese?

Usually kills the perpetrator with an unhealthy death. Expensive for everyone else for any social care costs to nurse the perpetrator along.


Never Exercise?

That one is of little consequence to others.


Drive their cars too fast in residential areas; and all Other Roads and Hiways while talking on phone and barely watching road?

Same as for drunk driving but with added recklessness and added consequences against others for a deadly crash.


How many Nod off while driving?

Too many!... With deadly consequences... One notable example is our Selby crash where one sleepy road driver 'took out' two entire trains with great death and mayhem... Consequences.


Continue to do harmful illegal drugs or legal drugs to harmful excess?

Same as smoking but worse/faster/sooner...


The List of 'Doings' harmful to Health and Life of Doers and Ones purposely or 'accidently 'Done To' by da 'Doer' is Extremely Long.

All up to your imagination.

Instead, why not try the simple beautiful commandment for the good of yourself and for all around: "Love (be considerate/kindly towards) thy neighbor (fellow man/woman)".


Yet before their VAX and After their VAX they continue with these Uncountable 'Doings' Harmful to Life and Limb.

Hmmmm

Yep

The consequences of all those listed deadly ills are for a single localized event. The consequences are against a few unfortunate victims and yourself, all at only one place.


This is all in stark contrast to, the consequences of not getting vaccinated and so spreading the COVID infection... One uncaring/unaware person can go on to infect very many other people to make for a lot of new victims. From that, some will die, some will be left permanently disabled, some suffer long term being ill, and most are made very badly ill but recover.

The consequences are BIG.

One recent COVID example is the taxi driver in Australian who has been found to have now directly caused over 100 people to be seriously ill...


Youz haz consequences!

Big YEP!


Stay safe folks!!
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Message 2079799 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 13:58:59 UTC - in response to Message 2079783.  

Youz haz consequences!
But they don't effect my profit! Says those for whom profit is the only motivation.
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Message 2079803 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 15:45:37 UTC - in response to Message 2079783.  

How many Vaccinnated and preach costantly to VAX:

This is all a question of scale, how many people, and consequences upon how many other people...

Are we sociable and cooperative and happy to help each other out?

Or is it uncaring dog-eat-dog and everyone else go get damned?...

What works better?...


Drink and Drive?

Dangerous to the perpetrator. That one drunk then kills an innocent family in a vehicle crash...


Smoke 2,3, 4 Packs of Cigs a Day?

Usually kills the perpetrator with an unhealthy death. Unpleasant smell for all around. Expensive for everyone else for any social care costs for that smoker.


Are Extremely Obese?

Usually kills the perpetrator with an unhealthy death. Expensive for everyone else for any social care costs to nurse the perpetrator along.


Never Exercise?

That one is of little consequence to others.


Drive their cars too fast in residential areas; and all Other Roads and Hiways while talking on phone and barely watching road?

Same as for drunk driving but with added recklessness and added consequences against others for a deadly crash.


How many Nod off while driving?

Too many!... With deadly consequences... One notable example is our Selby crash where one sleepy road driver 'took out' two entire trains with great death and mayhem... Consequences.


Continue to do harmful illegal drugs or legal drugs to harmful excess?

Same as smoking but worse/faster/sooner...


The List of 'Doings' harmful to Health and Life of Doers and Ones purposely or 'accidently 'Done To' by da 'Doer' is Extremely Long.

All up to your imagination.

Instead, why not try the simple beautiful commandment for the good of yourself and for all around: "Love (be considerate/kindly towards) thy neighbor (fellow man/woman)".


Yet before their VAX and After their VAX they continue with these Uncountable 'Doings' Harmful to Life and Limb.

Hmmmm

Yep

The consequences of all those listed deadly ills are for a single localized event. The consequences are against a few unfortunate victims and yourself, all at only one place.


This is all in stark contrast to, the consequences of not getting vaccinated and so spreading the COVID infection... One uncaring/unaware person can go on to infect very many other people to make for a lot of new victims. From that, some will die, some will be left permanently disabled, some suffer long term being ill, and most are made very badly ill but recover.

The consequences are BIG.

One recent COVID example is the taxi driver in Australian who has been found to have now directly caused over 100 people to be seriously ill...


Youz haz consequences!

Big YEP!


Stay safe folks!!
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How exactly does the questioner know the ones involved in such behaviors are the ones vaccinated? Anecdotal evidence? Confirmation bias?
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Message 2079807 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 16:52:49 UTC - in response to Message 2079803.  
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How exactly does the questioner know the ones involved in such behaviors are the ones vaccinated? Anecdotal evidence? Confirmation bias?

I thought the assumption was that:

  • Those that have gone to the effort to go get vaccinated are those people that are in whatever way more 'kindly', 'caring', 'public spirited'.

  • Whereas those not vaccinated are suffering a social stigma for not being vaccinated...



Hence there is somehow a new divide of the vaccinated and non-vaccinated?

Or is that a topic better suited to the politics of the Trump thread?!


Myself, I'm just staying practical and pragmatic that the non-vaccinated must be treated with a healthy dose of caution in case they may be unknowingly/unwittingly infectious.

Then again, myself and all my friends are vaccinated and so at least we can be fully relaxed amongst ourselves.

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Message 2079808 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 17:14:13 UTC

I read what ML1 quoted as claims that the vaccinated engage in all sorts sorts of other risky behaviors. I want to know what the scientific evidence is for such claims.
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Message 2079816 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 19:45:52 UTC

VAX or UNVAXed People will continue to Do What People Do.

All Ways to Die - Individually or Taking Out Others On Purpose; Accidentally; or Never Knowing an Action caused Death Now or Much Later to a Stranger or SomeOne Known -
Will Continue.

CV has NOT ENLIGHTENED Humans to Their Faults; Stupidities; and BAD LUCK.

Laws; Rules; and Changes in Ways to Do Things initiated by this CV Event - will SomeHow Find Their Way to Cause Unintended Deaths.

Wanna Bet?

Nope.

Youse Be Right Broheim

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Message 2079817 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 19:51:41 UTC - in response to Message 2079807.  
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Myself, I'm just staying practical and pragmatic that the non-vaccinated must be treated with a healthy dose of caution in case they may be unknowingly/unwittingly infectious.
Then again, myself and all my friends are vaccinated and so at least we can be fully relaxed amongst ourselves.
Hmm...
...choices, choices...
1984...
or...elitism?
In written guidance published after the press conference, the government said it "reserves the right" to force venues to require people to show their vaccine passport in order to be allowed in.
Advised to ask for vaccine passports
So far, haven't seen any scientific evidence that the vaccines can prevent serious mutated Covid infections.
The decision to relax restrictions comes as UK case numbers have increased to an average of 30,000 a day, driven by the highly-transmissible Delta variant of the disease.
The variant has caused a surge in cases across Europe where other nations have decided to reintroduce restrictions.
Unlike the UK where restrictions end on the 19th.
Lessons to be learnt?
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Message 2079822 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 20:38:43 UTC

One recent COVID example is the taxi driver in Australian who has been found to have now directly caused over 100 people to be seriously ill.
Actually there's a couple of errors there with that statement.

Firstly it was a Limousine Driver and not your average everyday cabbie (there's a big difference in pay grade) that kicked the outbreak off and secondly there are 63 infected people in hospital in this state of New South Wales, but that also includes some people that have returned from overseas, and of those 18 are in ICU and of those 4 are being ventilated (there was also 1 death).

Country wide there are 124 hospitalisations with 20 of them in ICU with no others being ventilated, but in the Northern Territory and Queensland all cases are hospitalised whether they need it or not.

ATM the limo driver's outbreak presently numbers 790 infections along with 1 death. It also shows the difference in the handling of outbreaks here where those states run by the left will lockdown immediately now to crush an outbreak while in this state of N.S.W. which is run by the right is more worried about the books than the people so only has a pretty soft lockdown compared to the other states' responses. :-(

I hope that that sets things straight there. ;-)
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Message 2079827 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 21:17:50 UTC - in response to Message 2079817.  
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Myself, I'm just staying practical and pragmatic that the non-vaccinated must be treated with a healthy dose of caution in case they may be unknowingly/unwittingly infectious.
Then again, myself and all my friends are vaccinated and so at least we can be fully relaxed amongst ourselves.
Hmm...
...choices, choices...
...
or...elitism?

Merely the good healthy choice of self preservation.

Thankfully for myself at least, there is a choice.

For example:

There is the choice of beers in someone's garden amongst (known vaccinated) known friends, or beers in a venue staffed by young unvaccinated staff and crowded by many other patrons of unknown vaccination status?... Along with present infection rates pretty much guaranteeing that at least one or more of the people in there is infectious...

No brains needed for that one!


1984...
In written guidance published after the press conference, the government said it "reserves the right" to force venues to require people to show their vaccine passport in order to be allowed in.
Advised to ask for vaccine passports...

That is a very valid concern and that is also all very suspicious with the present background of:

  • The 'centralized' no-privacy version of the NHS Palantir tracing app that was abortively foisted upon the public (the present version is non-centralized to help with anonymity);
  • The NHS Digital group's ongoing pending datagrab of everyone's entire medical records for [Marketing] 'research' and 'planning'. (See: How to opt out.)




The decision to relax restrictions comes as UK case numbers have increased to an average of 30,000 a day, driven by the highly-transmissible Delta variant of the disease.
The variant has caused a surge in cases across Europe where other nations have decided to reintroduce restrictions.
Unlike the UK where restrictions end on the 19th.
Lessons to be learnt?

Yes... Crazy.

... And 1-in-10 to 1-in-5 victims will go on to suffer "Long COVID" long term ailments...


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Message 2079829 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 21:27:28 UTC - in response to Message 2079822.  

... ATM the limo driver's outbreak presently numbers 790 infections along with 1 death...

Ouch!

Thanks for the correction and apologies to the limo driver for besmirching that professional status.


"790 infections along with 1 death"!

That is some nightmare conscience to carry...


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Message 2079834 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 22:12:34 UTC

ATM the limo driver's outbreak presently numbers 790 infections along with 1 death.
A correction is again needed here as it looks like some idiot counted yesterday's numbers twice so infections only number 678, but that's still bad enough and it looks like Gladys, by latest reports here this morning, might actually announce that a proper lockdown may happen for greater Sydney in 3hrs time.
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Message 2079857 - Posted: 13 Jul 2021, 5:56:01 UTC - in response to Message 2079378.  

Singapore has virtually said the Sinovac vaccine doesn't work.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/singapore-not-counting-sinovac-shots-covid-19-vaccination-tally-2021-07-07/

Further indication that the Sinovac vaccine is not protecting against the Delta variant have been reported in Thailand and Indonesia. Saying that fully vaccinated health care workers have been infected and that there have been deaths.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/12/coronavirus-latest-updates/
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Message 2079863 - Posted: 13 Jul 2021, 10:06:04 UTC - in response to Message 2079857.  

Just reinforces this:
So far, haven't seen any scientific evidence that the vaccines can prevent serious mutated Covid infections.
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