The Donald Trump thread part VI - aka "Keep it clean"

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Message 2141715 - Posted: 7 Oct 2024, 9:29:53 UTC - in response to Message 2141590.  
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This afternoon in my hometown, four Rumpists had covered the bridge railings over the 10 lane freeway with Rump signs and were busy waving others at the evening rush hour traffic. Considering that Rump is going to lose in California without question, why is the campaign spending money here when it won't make any difference in the vote? [...]
Hmm, can't excessive faith in polls eventually lead to supporters of the likely winner feeling less motivated to vote because they have other plans, the weather is bad, whatever. Perhaps Republicans are counting on the effects of such polls and are still mobilizing?

In Germany political scientists and advisors developed a method called "asymmetric demobilization". It is a campaign strategy that aims to demotivate the political opponent's potential voters to such an extent that they refrain from voting by avoiding statements on controversial issues. Unless the party's own voters are inadvertently demobilized at the same time, the share of votes for the party that practices this strategy increases. The decrease in voter turnout is deliberately accepted.
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Message 2141723 - Posted: 7 Oct 2024, 12:50:35 UTC - in response to Message 2141715.  

This afternoon in my hometown, four Rumpists had covered the bridge railings over the 10 lane freeway with Rump signs and were busy waving others at the evening rush hour traffic. Considering that Rump is going to lose in California without question, why is the campaign spending money here when it won't make any difference in the vote? [...]
Hmm, can't excessive faith in polls eventually lead to supporters of the likely winner feeling less motivated to vote because they have other plans, the weather is bad, whatever. Perhaps Republicans are counting on the effects of such polls and are still mobilizing?

In Germany political scientists and advisors developed a method called "asymmetric demobilization". It is a campaign strategy that aims to demotivate the political opponent's potential voters to such an extent that they refrain from voting by avoiding statements on controversial issues. Unless the party's own voters are inadvertently demobilized at the same time, the share of votes for the party that practices this strategy increases. The decrease in voter turnout is deliberately accepted.

California, where I'm located, 100% get a vote by mail ballot so there are few reasons to not vote and the return postage is even free.
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Message 2141728 - Posted: 7 Oct 2024, 14:00:19 UTC - in response to Message 2141723.  

California, where I'm located, 100% get a vote by mail ballot so there are few reasons to not vote and the return postage is even free.
Without previously ordering the mail ballot? Which would at least require the voter to fill out a form and send it to the electoral authority (or e.g. online form)? In my opinion, that's not right. That's not what is meant by "general, direct, free, equal and secret elections" (as it is written for example in our constitution).

It gives activist supporters a variety of opportunities to "collect" votes, so to speak: in the family; among older citizens; in community accommodation, among those who are not interested in elections. In Germany, on average 30% of votes are cast by mail. Never 30% of citizens are out of town on election days (always sundays). In my opinion, this is a growing problem for democracy.
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Message 2141752 - Posted: 8 Oct 2024, 4:35:46 UTC - in response to Message 2141728.  

California, where I'm located, 100% get a vote by mail ballot so there are few reasons to not vote and the return postage is even free.
Without previously ordering the mail ballot?
Correct.
Which would at least require the voter to fill out a form and send it to the electoral authority (or e.g. online form)
Old system.
In my opinion, that's not right. That's not what is meant by "general, direct, free, equal and secret elections" (as it is written for example in our constitution).

It gives activist supporters a variety of opportunities to "collect" votes, so to speak: in the family; among older citizens; in community accommodation, among those who are not interested in elections. In Germany, on average 30% of votes are cast by mail. Never 30% of citizens are out of town on election days (always sundays). In my opinion, this is a growing problem for democracy.
The problem some see here is the turnout being less than 20% of registered voters for many elections. [not presidential but local]
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Message 2141754 - Posted: 8 Oct 2024, 7:48:48 UTC - in response to Message 2141752.  

The problem some see here is the turnout being less than 20% of registered voters for many elections. [not presidential but local]
Ouch! Supposedly, any turnout below 50% is worrying if you think about what 'elected representative' means. Then, I understand authorities' decision to send everyone a mailin ballot.
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Message 2141758 - Posted: 8 Oct 2024, 10:25:24 UTC - in response to Message 2141752.  

The problem some see here is the turnout being less than 20% of registered voters for many elections. [not presidential but local]

Go the Australian way, move polling day to Sunday and make it compulsory, with fines for non-voters.
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Message 2141885 - Posted: 11 Oct 2024, 0:05:30 UTC
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Trump's lies have very real word very real people consequences:


Furious North Carolinian EVISCERATES Trump on air

Very sad and very real consequences.


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Message 2141886 - Posted: 11 Oct 2024, 0:14:37 UTC

INCREDIBLE!...

Really? Is this the great USA? Land of The People??


See, hear, squirm:

BREAKING: New Supreme Court scandal SURGES into spotlight


Ouch.

That explains a lot.

How does the USA get out of that?...


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Message 2141888 - Posted: 11 Oct 2024, 0:22:59 UTC - in response to Message 2141885.  

A compulsive liar?

Podcast host LAUGHS IN TRUMP’S FACE over blatant lie


Oh so honest a natural reaction.

But is that against a psychopathic liar

There are drastic consequences to very real people and our world...


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Message 2141890 - Posted: 11 Oct 2024, 0:37:18 UTC

Phew!

Incredible #2!


See, hear, Ouch!

Judge BLOWS UP Trump’s Plan in ORDER He Feared


Is this the end of Trump?


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Message 2141891 - Posted: 11 Oct 2024, 1:01:53 UTC
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My personal reaction:

All simply sickening.


Truly a narcissistic detached from reality psychopath. With worldwide threat and danger.

How do people vote for that?!


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Message 2141893 - Posted: 11 Oct 2024, 2:44:41 UTC

BBC - Sparks fly in Question Time US election special, video clip 1m:58s

Full 1 hour program, Youtube - LIVE: BBC Question Time US Special | BBC News.
Not available to UK viewers, unless you use a VPN.
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Message 2142011 - Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 5:44:28 UTC

Only a wannabe dictator would even suggest this, and it should worry many.

Trump doubles down on idea to use the military against US citizens who disagree with him.

Former US president Donald Trump is not stepping away from his suggestion that America’s military should be deployed against its own citizens if they disagree with him, politically.

Mr Trump’s fascination with the idea is not exactly new – he allegedly wanted the military to “just shoot” and “beat the f***” out of Americans who were protesting against police brutality during his first term as president.

That is according to the testimony of both General Mark Milley, who was chairman of the joint chiefs of staff at the time, and Mark Esper, who was Mr Trump’s defence secretary.

“We reached that point in the conversation where he looked frankly at General Milley and said, ‘Can’t you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?’” Mr Esper wrote in his memoir afterwards. He was talking specifically about protests in Washington DC.

“It was a suggestion and a formal question. And we were just all taken aback at that moment, as this issue just hung very heavily in the air.”

Gen Milley and Mr Esper have both declined to endorse Mr Trump in 2024. Mr Esper is among the 40 of Mr Trump’s 44 cabinet secretaries, from his first term, in that camp.......
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Message 2142015 - Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 7:57:46 UTC - in response to Message 2141891.  
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How do people vote for that?!
In normal times, any respectable, politically experienced opponent should be able to beat Trump in a landslide victory. The fact that it will probably be close is certainly not due to Trump's superior abilities. Unfortunately, the Democratic Party was unable or unwilling to recognize this. When Joe Biden became president, he was a politically experienced, convincing personality. That's why he won. Kamala Harris is supposed to be the Democrats' most suitable candidate for the Oval Office? Among 330 million Americans? I fear she is not a convincing personality. That's why many people still prefer to vote for Trump, despite all of the narcissistic, almost unbelievable stuff we can read about him here frequently.
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Message 2142018 - Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 12:44:55 UTC - in response to Message 2142015.  

McDuck, she is a woman. To the small brained that alone that is enough.
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Message 2142060 - Posted: 16 Oct 2024, 16:01:46 UTC - in response to Message 2142018.  

McDuck, she is a woman. To the small brained that alone that is enough.
Whoa... I thought we are beyond that. So let me put it more precisely: ... "among >100 million female Americans".

If we are not beyond that... even then it is still the party's responsibility to nominate the most suitable, experienced candidate... thus, which also has to consider stone-age prejudices... i.e. to win the elections in swing states with sufficient votes also from rural* regions. [*] Assuming a rural bias for MAGA...

Gender prejudices also work the opposite direction: There cannot be sufficient many female Trump voters to win him the elections, isn't it?
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Message 2142086 - Posted: 17 Oct 2024, 4:20:00 UTC - in response to Message 2142060.  

Whoa... I thought we are beyond that.
Germany is. The USA is not. Far too many bible thumpers who believe it literally.
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Message 2142097 - Posted: 17 Oct 2024, 12:21:47 UTC - in response to Message 2142086.  

Whoa... I thought we are beyond that.
Germany is.
I doubt we really are.

Within party organizations we are beyond that; in part due to quotas or mandatory alternating genders on candidate lists. Our female political leaders (former chancelor, state presidents) won elections with proportional representation; not majority elections like in the UK or US. They were elected by a majority coalition of MPs, not by majority of the voters.

Would be interesting to directly elect state presidents or the chancellor. I assume it would not change the proportion of female leaders but it would change the character and personalities of those successful in elections. I don't go so far to say that would improve things. Surely voters would elect a couple of MTG copies or Boris Johnson like mavericks.
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Message 2142113 - Posted: 17 Oct 2024, 20:03:32 UTC

Enough to Trump Trump on his home turf of Fox(y sly) News?


Fox News’s interview of Kamala Harris was grievance theater, not political journalism
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“fascist to the core”



Quite an interview.

And that very much wasn't Trump... He'd have s**t his pants!


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Message 2142127 - Posted: 17 Oct 2024, 23:34:42 UTC

Ouch!

Trump's ALL-WOMEN Town Hall, Says He’s the Father of IVF & Dave Bautista Shreds Trump's Masculinity


Hilarious!!

Except...

It's all for real...


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