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Message 2052028 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 7:52:06 UTC

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Message 2052037 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 12:27:06 UTC

As Ticket Requests for Trump’s OK Rally Surpass 800,000, Panicked Libs Widely Condemn ‘This Superspreader Event’
https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/06/15/as-ticket-requests-for-trumps-rally-surpass-800000-panicked-libs-double-down-on-stupid/

Yup.....that President Trump popularity is on the decline.......should have been over 2 million requests........but the weeks not over... " : >

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Message 2052039 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 12:49:31 UTC - in response to Message 2052037.  

As Ticket Requests for Trump’s OK Rally Surpass 800,000, Panicked Libs Widely Condemn ‘This Superspreader Event’
https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/06/15/as-ticket-requests-for-trumps-rally-surpass-800000-panicked-libs-double-down-on-stupid/

Yup.....that President Trump popularity is on the decline.......should have been over 2 million requests........but the weeks not over... " : >

They probably only applied for tickets, because it will be the first live comedy event since the lock down.
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Message 2052040 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 13:07:44 UTC

Believe what you want, The President and all his supporters will be laughing ALL THE WAY to the SECOND Inauguration.

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Message 2052041 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 13:14:02 UTC - in response to Message 2052040.  

Believe what you want, The President and all his supporters will be laughing ALL THE WAY to the SECOND Inauguration.

I agree he might have a 2nd term, but only because of questionable voting restrictions and the biased electoral college.
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Message 2052042 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 13:26:43 UTC - in response to Message 2052041.  

Believe what you want, The President and all his supporters will be laughing ALL THE WAY to the SECOND Inauguration.

I agree he might have a 2nd term, but only because of questionable voting restrictions and the biased electoral college.

Gotta LUV it...............ALWAYS an excuse for not believing reality..........

That's why 'they' can't accept 2016...........

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Message 2052046 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 13:49:26 UTC - in response to Message 2052042.  
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Believe what you want, The President and all his supporters will be laughing ALL THE WAY to the SECOND Inauguration.

I agree he might have a 2nd term, but only because of questionable voting restrictions and the biased electoral college.

Gotta LUV it...............ALWAYS an excuse for not believing reality..........

That's why 'they' can't accept 2016...........

Is it really a good idea to have a result that differs from the majority decision?

And wouldn't a simple majority decision lead to greater numbers voting. In many states it is claimed that people don't vote because it is just a waste.

Are you in that position a Republican in a Democratic state, or can it still be regarded as a swing state, even though the Governor is usually a Democrat?
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Message 2052047 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 14:14:08 UTC

Is it really a good idea to have a result that differs from the majority decision?


1) ....for the 500th time(possibly an exaggeration but close), it WAS NOT A MAJORITY DECISION! AS only 1/3 (aprox.) of eligible voters bothered to cast a ballot there was no MAJORITY!

Perhaps a better idea is to require a quorum for any Presidential vote to be valid or the vote must be taken again.

"Do it over 'til you get it right".

2).....again, for the 500th time, (see above) the USA is a REPUBLIC, not a Democracy. It is a REPRESENTATIVE form of Government, meaning in this context that the Electoral College members REPRESENT the will of the people making up their mandate support.

Mob rule is not a recognized form of Government in the US (with the possible exception of downtown Seattle).

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Message 2052050 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 14:36:38 UTC - in response to Message 2052047.  
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That did not answer the question, it is just a repeat of the excuses I have heard too many times.

Have you even considered the reason for so few people voting is because of the allocation of electors.

And if Colorado keeps heading towards the blue* zone, is it worth you casting a vote?
Don't you want your vote to count?
(*One Republican Governor for 8 years, in the last 45 years)
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Message 2052051 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 18:19:36 UTC - in response to Message 2052050.  
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Those are not excuses but rather an explanation of why your basic understanding of American government and the election process is flawed.

The Governor didn't matter so much as there was check and balance in the Legislature, but now that both houses and the executive office are controlled by the Dims (which I surmise will change in November), the State is careening into Socialist hell (comparable to California).

So few people voting is the result of general apathy on the part of many citizens. I think that is changing rapidly and there will be a backlash at both the State and Federal levels in November.

I have never failed to vote in any election as I regard that as both a duty to my country and a privilege not all people in the world can enjoy. And yes I do want my vote to count, why would you ask such a question?

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Message 2052054 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 18:55:16 UTC

In most free voting democracies like the US, UK and many more there is no "compulsion to vote. But I believe that a few (e.g. Australia?) it is an offence not to vote in major elections (which I would take as being for the national government, president and the like). It would be interesting to hear from someone in one of those countries to see what fractions of the vote "the people at the top" got.

I'm very disappointed and upset when people who didn't vote moan that the government is "not of their liking" - perhaps if they had voted they would have got a "government of their liking".
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Message 2052057 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 19:24:27 UTC - in response to Message 2052051.  
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And yes I do want my vote to count, why would you ask such a question?

How much does your vote for president count when Biden wins in Colorado by about 6,000 votes and gets all the Electoral College electors?

That's approx the same margin Trump won by in Michigan in 2016.
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Message 2052061 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 21:02:12 UTC

Yep here in Australia if you don't want to vote then you just pay $50 (plus $5 G.S.T.) for that privilege, simple, and voting registration happens here automatically on a person's 18th birthday. ;-)

Other than that how does your country stack up on the Democracy Index?

I can easily live with 9th spot and a "Full democracy" rating. :-)
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Message 2052069 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 21:35:08 UTC - in response to Message 2052047.  
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1) ....for the 500th time(possibly an exaggeration but close), it WAS NOT A MAJORITY DECISION! AS only 1/3 (aprox.) of eligible voters bothered to cast a ballot there was no MAJORITY!
2).....again, for the 500th time, (see above) the USA is a REPUBLIC, not a Democracy.
Oh dear. Republic means "the people rule" in Latin. Democracy means "the people rule" in Greek. There is no need for a Electoral College in any country but the USA. Why?
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Message 2052070 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 21:38:05 UTC - in response to Message 2052069.  

2).....again, for the 500th time, (see above) the USA is a REPUBLIC, not a Democracy.
Oh dear. Republic means "the people rule" in Latin. Democracy means "the people rule" in Greek. There is no need for a Electoral College in any country but the USA. Why?

Because 'Mob Rule' is not Democracy.....(See the newly formed country of Chaz or Chop or whatever it's name is today).

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Message 2052071 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 21:39:49 UTC - in response to Message 2052059.  

Could it be that the non-voters have worked out, that this quote that I found,

“The preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.”


is essentially true. And the answer why can be found in Federalist Paper #63.
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Message 2052072 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 21:42:46 UTC - in response to Message 2052070.  
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2).....again, for the 500th time, (see above) the USA is a REPUBLIC, not a Democracy.
Oh dear. Republic means "the people rule" in Latin. Democracy means "the people rule" in Greek. There is no need for a Electoral College in any country but the USA. Why?

Because 'Mob Rule' is not Democracy.....(See the newly formed country of Chaz or Chop or whatever it's name is today).

The "Mobs" didn't have the vote Greece or Rome or anywhere else until much, much later. In Athens the "Mob" that could vote, would be about 200 people max.
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Message 2052074 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 21:54:12 UTC - in response to Message 2052028.  

The old thread was getting long and messy.

?Messy why it is hidden and not just locked?
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Message 2052075 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 21:54:35 UTC - in response to Message 2052070.  

2).....again, for the 500th time, (see above) the USA is a REPUBLIC, not a Democracy.
Oh dear. Republic means "the people rule" in Latin. Democracy means "the people rule" in Greek. There is no need for a Electoral College in any country but the USA. Why?
Because 'Mob Rule' is not Democracy.....(See the newly formed country of Chaz or Chop or whatever it's name is today).
Mob rule in the US? Whatever.
Yes. there are countries that are called either "republic" or "democrat". What have those designations with the US to do? Or should the USA rename it self to the "Republic States of America" or perhaps the "Democratic States of America". As an outsider it looks like now the "United States of America" is falling apart.
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Message 2052078 - Posted: 16 Jun 2020, 22:00:21 UTC - in response to Message 2052069.  

There is no need for a Electoral College in any country but the USA. Why?
Because agricultural slave states didn't have enough voters to balance the industrial states.
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