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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30925 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
"If you sell it or use it here, you must build it here", should be the new world motto.Business contraction. What a wonderful idea. I'm sure the base will love it. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19310 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Wait - didn't we once build our own kit? We can build our own military aircraft, and you do buy some of our hardware, the L1118 and M777 along with the M982 Excalibur are examples,. And you nearly bought the AS90 after the M109 was defeated in a competition at the Aberdeen Proving Ground, until the Senate went all isolationist again. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
We can build our own military aircraft, and you do buy some of our hardware, the L1118 and M777 along with the M982 Excalibur are examples,. And you nearly bought the AS90 after the M109 was defeated in a competition at the Aberdeen Proving Ground, until the Senate went all isolationist again I'm not saying you can't and don't build very reliable and competent systems, some of them cutting edge(Harrier), but the majority of most military equipment in the world falls into the three influences I mentioned. This is due obviously to the desire of China, Russia and of course the US to influence the behavior of the customer states and that it aligns with that of the supplier state. This doesn't always work out (i.e. Russia/Egypt in the later 20th century, the US and Cuba and in Iran). My point is that to insure absolutely the security of your national resources(militarily, agriculturally, medically, etc.) to rely on external sourcing can lead to foreign control or interruption. Even with the most trusted and reliable allies (i.e. WWII and the North Atlantic U-boat predation on shipping to England). "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14674 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
George Orwell was right! In the year 1984, civilisation has been damaged by war, civil conflict, and revolution. Airstrip One (formerly known as Great Britain) is a province of Oceania, one of the three totalitarian super-states that rule the world. It is ruled by the "Party" under the ideology of "Ingsoc" (a newspeak shortening of "English Socialism") and the mysterious leader Big Brother, who has an intense cult of personality. The Party purges anyone who does not fully conform to their regime using the Thought Police and constant surveillance through devices such as Telescreens (two-way televisions). Those who fall out of favour with the Party become "unpersons", disappearing with all evidence of their existence removed.Just 36 years early. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
The members of NATO are pretty much stuck with US aircraft and weapons manufacturers...But why can Sweden, not a NATO member, export so many weapons to the US? The US is the second largest importer of weapons of all countries Sweden export to. In 2019, military equipment was exported from Sweden was worth SEK 9.6 billion, roughly USD 1 billion. Norway, also a NATO member, is the third on the list of buyers also roughly USD 1 billion. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Why to go Sweden!China is not on our list:) |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Yes, moomin, true. Sweden has a long history of supplying high quality military equipment, most notably aircraft (Saab Viggen and Draken). Which only enforces the point that making what you require locally can be done by any determined people. Self sufficiency has been a way of life in most Scandinavian countries by necessity as it has been in rural America. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30925 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/indian-army-20-soldiers-killed-border-clash-china-200616172525853.html At least 20 Indian soldiers have been killed in a violent face-off with Chinese forces on the disputed border, the Indian army has said, in a major escalation of a weeks-long standoff in the western Himalayas. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24905 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Makes sense The question is: Will the politicians listen? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20972 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
The US sends China a wide-ranging very political message: US-China: Pompeo dog photo has netizens asking if US is toying with China There are a multitude of reminders and innuendo and an overall message that can be read from a completely innocent image. All a question of the present silly hostile context?... Also note that China is suffering multiple big disasters at home. Is war, or the threat of war, a good excuse and a useful distraction to keep those in power remaining in power?... All 'just a game' of politics?... All in our only one world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Ni hao. Oh dear. China have the same "issues" with Sweden and Denmark as well. Hehe:) Yes. There have been pictures of Winnie the Pooh of him on social media because he looks like the Chinese President Xi Jinping. “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.†as Oscar Wilde said. That Pompeo thought of any "coded" messages when publishing the pics of Mercer playing with the dog's toy is nonsense:) Whatever. This type of reaction in China will end in about two weeks as always. Btw. Here in the Nordic countries it's OK if a Swedish PM says like if he think a Finnish President speaks like a Moomin Troll:) |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
The Chinese Embassy in Stockholm sharply criticizes Swedish Foreign Minister Ann Linde. She is accused of making "false statements" about the new security law in Hong Kong. "Hong Kong's affairs are entirely China's internal affairs, which does not allow any interference from outsiders in any way, with any excuse," it said in a statement on the embassy's website, published on Wednesday. "Any attempt by outsiders to put pressure on China will fail, and only harm themselves." |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20972 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
China is finally getting exposed for various other "evils", including, disgustingly: UK accuses China of 'gross' human rights abuses against Uighurs wrote: UK Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has accused China of "gross and egregious" human rights abuses against its Uighur population and said sanctions against those responsible cannot be ruled out. That is some very sharp forthright diplomatic excoriation there... Indeed, for something not seen since particularly disgusting actions during WWII... All in our only one world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20972 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
China is finally getting exposed for various other "evils", including, disgustingly: And the Chinese Ambassador kindly appears on the UK's BBC TV to try to explain away what the world knows is happening in China... The Ambassador has read out to him the definition of Genocide: China ambassador cornered in BBC interview over shameless lie wrote: [Chinese Ambassador] Liu: “That is totally wrong. There’s no such concentration camp in Xinjiang. In regard to that videotape, I’ll get back to you. You know, there’s a lot of fake ... There are all kinds of fake accusations against China.” Suitably direct for such ongoing atrocity. I wonder when Genocide last had to be read out? There is further coverage on: China's UK ambassador denies abuse of Uighurs despite fresh drone footage wrote: China’s ambassador to the UK gave a brazen defence of his country’s human rights record on Sunday, insisting the Uighur people live in “peaceful and harmonious coexistence with other ethnic groups”, as he was confronted with footage of shackled prisoners being herded on to trains... UK and China relationship 'seriously poisoned', says Beijing's ambassador wrote: ... Bejing's ambassador to London. China squirms and threatens... And people be damned... Indeed totally brazen. Stay safe! All in our only one world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Man, he thinks a world exists? What's he smoking up derre wit da bears? (Not you, RW.) Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24905 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
A little "snippet" from history with a quote that speaks volumes. A former US Secretary of the Navy, Dan Kimball - later head of the rocket propulsion company, Aerojet - once said it was "the stupidest thing this country ever did".Witch hunt forces deportation of scientist If that did not happen, what would the world look like today? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24905 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36339 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
China upping the stakesIt's an escalation of things that started from when our current P.M. became toxic Pompeo's (and even more toxic Trump's) mouthpiece over wanting an investigation into COVID and China using their words without any thought which happened while Pompeo was here and Morrison was sucking right up to them. The simple fact is that we should just stop selling them iron ore and then see what they do with their growing trade war with us. Though it is true that some of our boys while in Iraq did things that they need to account (as well as paying the price) for what they did and the sooner the better IMHO. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19310 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
North Korea: Potato propaganda is back... but what does it mean? Potatoes were the star of North Korean food propaganda in the 1990s when the country faced a severe famine. As the economic situation improved, the humble spud retreated from North Korean media. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20972 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Seeing is believing. No comment possible for this one: Cockroach: Ai Weiwei's new documentary on last year's Hong Kong protests wrote: ... fear and purpose: a leaderless band of young people willing to die for their culture and community, for the rights and way of life that was promised to their parents: a promise Chris Patten pointedly reiterated as he left 23 years ago. All in our deadly greedy world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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