Boeing: Profits 1st, Safety 2nd? (Part 3)
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 ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20844 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 
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Meanwhile in another expensively calamitous part of the World of Boeing: Maximus Aviation - Is BOEING Destroying NASA? NASA Report: Defects, Delays, Unskilled Workers And BILLIONS Over Budget! wrote: A NASA Inspector General report on Boeing pulls no punches as Boeing is failing on every level but what's worse... That is an unbelievably expensive Ouch! How can such unabated unproductive random extravagance come to be?... Fly safely on that?... Only in the USA? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20844 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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For another Meanwhile... ... For yet another Boeing "Quality Escape"... We have for your death defying pleasure: Simple Flying - A "Quality Escape": FAA Suggests Boeing 787 Landing Gears Need To Be Inspected wrote: The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has proposed an airworthiness directive after the company had reported that certain 787 main landing gear inspections were not performed during the production process... Very interesting to hear the comment in the transcript that ALL the 787 landing gear assemblies 'out in the wild' are proposed to be inspected... The parts tracing procedures are not to be trusted?... Fly safe? (... Right off the end of the runway on a runaway landing?) Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
rob smith    Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22401 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380
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Such redesigns are often rolled out before the governmental reports come out, so nothing new in that. BUT what is annoying is the short period of time between the event and the completion of the design - I thin I smell something that may have escaped from the local fish-market going on here. Did Boeing have this design sitting in the filing cabinet, but decided it was "not appropriate" (for whatever reason) to implement? Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Gary Charpentier  Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30889 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 
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Ah, you mean like FORD Pinto gas tank crash barrier? |
Scrooge McDuck  Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1022 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 
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Boeing is to redesign the Plug Door... AND retrofit them on all planes using them...My recent understanding of this incident was: the plug door was decently designed and safe. Instead it was the chaotic processes at Boeing and Spirit Aerosystems, especially when Spirit workers followed unfinished 737 hulls from Kansas into Boeing factories to fix some remaining quality issues. Somewhere in between the responsibility for safety was lost. Why to redesign a simple plug door, which was already used in hundreds of previous generation 737 NG? Okay, Boeing suggests: [...] design changes that would allow the doorplug to not be closed if there was any issue before being firmly secured.Hopefully they don't talk about a "Door Characteristics Augmentation System (DCAS)", a high-tech computerized 'door locked' supervision control function that depends on a couple of expensive (and faulty) sensors, and interpolation by means of fuzzy logic and machine learning algorithms... I think Boeing should refrain from introducing more software to achieve safety. |
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Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1022 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54
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Ah, you mean like FORD Pinto gas tank crash barrier?You can't deny that adding the crash barrier was way more expensive than to pay for all the victims. That's why you need MBA's for decision making to prevent the engineers from burning all your money. |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20844 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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The latest according to the world of Boeing: Boeing discovered a new set of problems in its 737s, further slowing deliveries wrote: At Boeing, the hits just keep coming. A new electrical issue on Boeing’s 737s will take time to correct... NASA acknowledges it cannot quantify risk of Starliner propulsion issues wrote: With no consensus on the safety of the Starliner crew capsule, NASA officials said Wednesday they need another week or two before deciding whether to bring two astronauts back to Earth on Boeing's spacecraft or extend their stay on the International Space Station until next year. NASA watchdog warns Boeing is overbudget, behind schedule on Artemis upper rocket stage wrote: NASA's chief watchdog warned that the planned upgrade to NASA's Artemis Program moon rocket upper stage, being developed by Boeing, is now likely to cost $700 million more... How much real Science has been killed by that Boeing budget overrun?... How much unnecessary risk has been added against life and progress? Fly safe?... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20844 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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Is Boeing going in the right direction?... Boeing grounds 777X test fleet on failure of engine mounting structure... wrote: ... an inspection showed the failure of a key engine mounting structure... US FAA Adopts Safety Directive for Boeing 787 Planes Following Mid-Air Dive wrote: ... plane went into a sudden mid-air dive that injured more than 50 passengers... Fly safe? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1022 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54
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The affected part is called a “thrust link,” a heavy titanium component. The thrust of the engine is transferred to the airframe through this link between the engine and where it is mounted on a pylon beneath the wings.Source: Boeing discovers engine part defect and grounds its 777X test airplanes |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20844 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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There is rather a curious quote in this article: NASA Says SpaceX Will Bring Boeing's Starliner Astronauts Back to Earth - in February wrote: ... NASA said there was a "technical disagreement" between the agency and the aerospace company, and said it evaluated risk differently than Boeing for returning its crew... Fly safe folks? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20844 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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'Just' one of those minor 'glitches' to ignore?... The Speaker on Boeing's Starliner Spacecraft Has Started Making Strange Noises ... Just like the 'glitches' on the thrusters that were ignored to ignore a far more serious death defining problem...? Fly safe the Boeing way? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20844 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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Note: More seriously... Such silly niggles like that can indicate bad electrical earthing that then leads to seriously confusing failures... As suffered in Boeing passenger airliner cockpits for the flight instruments... Fly safe?? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20844 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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The story continues: Inside Boeing's Factory Lapses That Led To the Alaska Air Blowout wrote: ... Filling in for the veteran mechanic on vacation, the Trainee was perhaps the least equipped to do this atypical job. He'd been at Boeing for about 17 months, his only previous jobs being at KFC and Taco Bell. "He's just a young kid," the Door Master Lead said... Really? Fly safe?? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1022 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54
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More seriously... Such silly niggles like that can indicate bad electrical earthing that then leads to seriously confusing failures...They still use a pure oxygen atmosphere in these spacecrafts as soon as reaching space, isn't it? I would guess solid wiring and perfect grounding would have to be the highest priority. |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20844 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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More seriously... Such silly niggles like that can indicate bad electrical earthing that then leads to seriously confusing failures...They still use a pure oxygen atmosphere in these spacecrafts as soon as reaching space, isn't it? I would guess solid wiring and perfect grounding would have to be the highest priority. That is a good sensible expectation... And yet Starliner still has flammable tape wrapping some of the cable bundles together... And what else?... The long list of calamities, and the long long overdue attempts at completion, all suggest a lack of competent thoroughness... Management enforced haste and shortcomings coming home to suffer the bite of reality? Human life is secondary to the Management attempts of chasing profit?... Fly safe with that?? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30889 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Spacelab, MIR, Shuttle, ISS, Soyuz, Dragon - all use earth standard atmosphere. Apollo 1 changed a lot. However the Polaris mission profile is a bit different with the spacewalk and no airlock available. |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30889 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Starliner is down, it didn't burn up. Any data released from its trip back? |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20844 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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The recipe for disaster: Boeing 737 Door Mechanic Was On Vacation During Assembly Of Alaska Blowout Aircraft Really? Life critical working? Or comedy sketch?? Fly safe? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30889 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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To be fair it sounds like your place of employment, or SOP corporatized management. |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20844 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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To be fair it sounds like your place of employment, or SOP corporatized management. The big difference here in my example outpost, is that the only thing that gets put at risk are jobs/livelihood and production output. ... No actual LIVES, or the well being of others, are put at risk in the 'game' of being gambled for profit... Fly safe?? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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