The good news for Boeing is: The aircraft market is a duopoly. So, Boeing's very existence and success is important for each airline on this planet. They will order hundreds... thousands of new 737 Max in the future. If they wouldn't do so, Airbus would impose unjustifiably high prices for their A320 series.

Boeing bosses learned this lesson, so safety last, profits first until this changes.

How many more 'nearly' catastrophes?...

Boeing: US regulator to increase oversight of firm after blowout
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... The head of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) said he believed there were "significant problems" with the 737-9 Max jet as well as "other manufacturing problems"...

... "The need for this independent oversight is even more necessary now when one considers the ineptness of the FAA which has failed again to properly oversee Boeing's Max aircraft production, as evidenced by these latest near catastrophes,"...

... "The lives of passengers should not needlessly, and once again, be put at risk."...

... Boeing chief executive Dave Calhoun has already said the company will admit its "mistake" and has described the issue as a "quality escape"...

And, it is:

Your 'gamble' for the profits of Boeing and the excessive greedy pay of The Directors for whether you sacrifice your life and wellbeing for their next consequences of "poor design" and "quality escapes"?

Fly safe?

If it's Boeing, I ain't going!!
Martin

... All in my most humble uneducated opinion as always...

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How many 'issues' can Calhoun cover over?...

Boeing's mid-air blowout puts safety record in spotlight again
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... the 737 Max, in which 346 people died...

... Four years later, Boeing is facing an investigation from the US regulator, the Federal Aviation Administration, for potentially having failed to ensure its aircraft "were in a condition for safe operation"...

... No-one was seriously hurt when an unused door blew off an Alaska Airlines 737 Max 9 last week shortly after take-off. But it could have been much, much worse.

Inspections have already revealed loose bolts and fixings on other planes...

... behind the scenes, there have been serious problems, including manufacturing defects affecting parts of the fuselage, tail and rudder assembly, as well as sealants applied as protection against the effect of lightning strikes in the central fuel tank...

... "Ultimately, the buck stops with Boeing," ... "... quality assurance has to be made by Boeing."...

... Publicly available information shows that by September last year, US carriers alone had reported more than 1,300 faults on 737 Max planes.

Although some of these were relatively minor, there were also potentially [deadly] serious [safety critical] problems...

... "troubling, and the industry's complacency towards them even more disturbing"...

... "They say history repeats itself when we fail to learn from it - and here we are yet again."...

What next?


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Well. Read the lawsuit. "This airplane must ship today no matter what!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSGujNq4bVM
Isn't the world of too incompetent to do the job and must sweep that under the rug fun. Humans.

I just wonder about all those military airplanes that come out of Wichita. Is that treason?

When all the 737 Max were grounded and production stopped: What happened to the many Boeing workers in Renton, Everett (don't know the exact production locations)? Were they on paid vacation? How many were laid off to stop ongoing costs? Back then, Boeing workers certainly found new jobs quickly. How long have today's Boeing workers been there? Their experience? I would assume that it is extremely demanding for Boeing management to restart a production line that has been completely halted for so long; to constantly increase the production rate while maintaining highest quality requirements. .... Probably with a lot of newcomers without years of experience resp. who no longer are from the famous Boeing families (grandpa, dad, son or daughter.... whole life: Boeing workers or engineers... inherited skills, so to speak...). Now it's a constant fight against time and running costs while Boeing is deep in the red. Sure the (greedy?) top management earns million dollars each year.... but I doubt there are any profits for shareholders for many years to come.

If the Airbus factories in Europe and overseas were to be stopped for 1...2 years we would probably witness similar problems.

[EDIT to add]: (watched whole video only later...):instead of my vague assumptions: facts...

The diffusion of responsibility between Boeing and Spirit Aerosystems to reduce costs appears extremely questionable. Financial incentives maximize throughput while covering up quality problems. Everywhere the influence of engineers and managers seems to be far too one-sided on the finance people. Even without jets crashing, doors falling out, that can (as repeatedly happened in the automotive industry) lead to widespread and expensive damage when planes become some years old which will further damage Boeing's reputation.

At some point China will also offer their (at least narrow body) jets on the global market.

Is the design and manufacturing of large commercial jet aircraft incompatible to the principles of liberal market economies? (too big to fail; too expensive to enter this market). If so, more strict regulation, leadership (even subsidies) by governments or control bodies should ensure safety while preserving part of the market functions which minimize production costs.

(even subsidies) by governments

Airbus has repeatedly sued because Boeing in Washington state has been given a property tax discount and they allege that breaks a fair trade treaty.

The issue is humans are far to willing to break their moral convictions for some easy cash, if they even have such convictions in the first place.

(There is a reason a loaded pistol is on the desk when you sign the official secrets act)

I have nothing to offer except recurring ethical behavior training. The greatest generation understood this innately as they knew what failure would entail. Q/C was never an afterthought.

We will not lie, steal, or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does.

Is the real problem that of greedy poisonous deadly Management coercion and consequences-be-damned?

Just get the product out of the door to become a Someone Else's Problem, and quickly run away??!


Safety is an aside that gets in the way... Is that why Boeing had the Management fix of getting rid of the Quality Assurance people?...

In Aviation, There Are No Excuses.


Fly safe with that?...

Boeing: I ain't going!
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They not only got rid of many Quality Assurance people, they also got rid of many experienced people.
Before the Covid pandemic, the ratio of experienced workers to supervised junior workers was 4:1 it is now 3:2. Much cheaper, but with a much greater risk, than a junior will make unspotted mistakes.

Yes the fiduciary duty to the shareholder. Increase profits. Reduce costs. Decrease quality. Increase service repair parts orders. All of these things a public company is required to do to the best of its ability. It must be naked greed.

Safety? Only to the point where it is projected to increase the bottom line.

Someone mentioned cars earlier in the thread, yes the Ford Pinto exploding car. A seven dollar part IIRC. Several million seven million dollar parts vs. a handful of five hundred thousand dollar settlements. Killing people is cheaper. This is the calculus of the fiduciary duty! It is the Kobayashi Maru.

What is needed is someone to stand up & make the fines appropriate to the damage done.
For example, $5 million for every death. For the 737 Max that comes to $1.75 billion.
Also make it cover every company that does business not only in the US but those outside who deal with them.
After all the USA is the "Home of the Profit".
The KISS principle, but I think pigs will fly 1st.

To summarize the story thus far for the latest 'mishap'/'incident' for the Boeing 737 MAX:


Mentour Pilot (a 737 (Chief?) Flying Instructor and 737 pilot) gives a very 'passenger friendly' version of the story thus far, (and being as no-one died on this occasion) plus a little conjecture:

WHAT Is going ON with Boeing?! MAX-9 Door blowout


A very down-to-earth deadpan series of views/updates is given by Blancolirio:

Alaska 1282 Portland 737-9 MAX Door Plug Failure 5 January 2024

Alaska 737 Max-9 Door UPDATE! 8 Jan 2024

"Yes, We Have No Bolts" 9 Jan 737 Max-9 Update

Boeing 737 -9 Plug Doors and Spirit Aerospace Lawsuit



Damning?

Passengers are "expendable" without consequence?

Do we get a completely truthful and factual answer as to how, on a full aircraft, the two seats next to the failure 'just happened' to be vacant?

And do not underestimate how difficult that aircraft was to fly with the brain splitting cacophony of 300mph air roaring by, a very cold frigid air. Such a roar that the cabin crew and the pilots themselves couldn't easily communicate between themselves...

Also note that the decompression was violent enough that one of the pilots lost his headset, and a flight checklist, that were blown out of the cockpit. Hopefully they have more than one checklist to refer to? (Oh wait... Paper manuals??... What happened to the automated emergency reporting system display that is required on all new aircraft...? How is that somehow not required on Boeing aircraft??...)


Fly safe folks?...
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To summarize the story thus far for the latest 'mishap'/'incident' for the Boeing 737 MAX:

Further updates are given by Maximus Aviation, including the NTSB briefings to date:


Alaska Airlines Grounds Boeing 737-9 Feet After Emergency Landing In Portland USA!

NTSB Holds FIRST Update On Alaska Airlines Boeing Max BLOWOUT With Media Questions

Is Boeing's Max A Failure? Alaska Airlines Suffers BLOW-OUT And The FAA Grounds The Max Again!

BREAKING: Alaska Airlines Blown Door Plug Found In Mans Back Yard

Boeing NEVER Told Airlines That 737 Max Cockpit Door Was Designed To FLY Open During Decompression!

Boeing CEO Dave Calhouns Full Apology In Front Of Entire Boeing Staff But Is It Too Little Too Late?

FAA Chief In Interview Says: "We WILL Hold Boeing Accountable!"

Former Boeing 737 Program Sr. Manager Says Boeing Company Is WORSE NOW Than Before Two MAX Crashes!


Very many words, yet Boeing history is to be repeated?...

... And passengers are "Expendables"? (And there's plenty more where they came from!)


Fly safe folks?
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What part of Public Company don't you understand?

Seriously, you should ask HR at your employment to give you the lecture on the fiduciary duty.

Your eyes will open wide and your jaw will descend to the floor. You will know the secret of "C" level.

... on the fiduciary duty.

Your eyes will open wide and your jaw will descend to the floor. You will know the secret of "C" level.

... So... What does it take to change that?...

And for the better good of people, their health and well being, and the planet!


All on our only one deadly greedy planet...
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Share holders being reminded that they not only share in the profits of a company, but also the risk of companies making losses. Far too many assume that it's a one way traffic - money from the company going into their pockets, but the origins of shares are in sharing the risk as well - just how many share holders in ships in the age of sail lost large amount of money.

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So... What does it take to change that?...

Change the definition of the word "Trust" in every language.

Oh gosh, it is another.

One of the comments notes that this rudder 'problem' and emergency declared is on a Boeing 737 NG aircraft. That is, this is not a 737 MAX...

I hope the NTSB and FAA have enough people to keep up with all these Boeing 'incidents'...


Fly safe?
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The media went nuts over the 747 GE engine fire, calling it a MAX Boeing thing.

The Boeing story unfolds:


Boeing 737 MAX 9 still without a timeline to return to the sky
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... “All 737-9 MAX aircraft with door plugs will remain grounded pending the FAA’s review and final approval of an inspection and maintenance process that satisfies all FAA safety requirements,”...

... “We are working to make sure nothing like this happens again,” FAA Administrator Mike Whitaker said Friday. “Our only concern is the safety of American travelers and the Boeing 737-9 MAX will not return to the skies until we are entirely satisfied it is safe.”...

Congress must force Boeing to be better
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... It is unlikely yet another change in Boeing leadership could reform practices, rebuild corporate culture and restore confidence. The invisible hand of the free market pushed Boeing to seek ever-greater profit margins, quality be damned. That terrible dynamic won’t change with another C-suite restructuring.

After all, it was only about five years ago that Boeing executives touted a plan to cut about 900 quality inspectors. It didn’t happen, but the fact the idea was ever floated seems incredible given the latest mishaps.

The difficulty in enforcing accountability is even more troubling considering Boeing isn’t really Boeing. It’s a collection of outsourced suppliers...

'This is the end': Alaska Airlines passengers sue over door plug blowout
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... Two California residents and two Washington state residents who were on the flight are suing the two companies for alleged injuries including "intense fear, distress, anxiety, trauma [and] physical pain," according to the complaint.

"Plaintiffs feared the gaping hole in the fuselage, rapid depressurization, and general havoc was a prelude to the plane's destruction and their own likely death," the complaint stated...

Indeed, that 'incident' was oh-so-close to suffering the loss of all lives.

Is this latest Boeing 'incident', the latest of too many 'incidents', now raising a question of the very existence of Boeing and the FAA?




Fly safe?
Martin

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