Boeing: Profits 1st, Safety 2nd? (Part 3)

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Message 2109982 - Posted: 11 Nov 2022, 19:04:32 UTC
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For an unnervingly optimistic update:


Mentour Pilot - WHAT’s the Issue NOW?!
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... a new Boeing 737MAX crisis ... possibly cancelling the MAX 7 and 10 variants ...



A scary flashing "Maintenance Needed Now!" singular flashy light on a road vehicle may well be adequate for a road vehicle... Even then, us poor drivers have an ODB-II connector to allow us to see a pretty output explaining much more detail!

So why does Boeing keep their aircraft cockpits stymied to a singular flashing bulb that can only tell the pilots that they should now be safely on the ground, and NOT still flying through the air...


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Message 2109983 - Posted: 11 Nov 2022, 19:22:02 UTC - in response to Message 2109981.  
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See:

Mentour Pilot - HOW This Aircraft FELL 30 000 Feet in Less Than 2.5min! | China Airlines 006


In deadly contrast, note that the Indonesian pilots had about 10,000" to try to recover from a similarly unexpected lack of thrust from an engine...


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Message 2110169 - Posted: 15 Nov 2022, 0:45:45 UTC

Boeing seeks approval for speed tape fix to the 787 problems with paint peeling.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/boeing-says-787-operators-experience-wing-paint-peeling-2022-11-14/
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Message 2110848 - Posted: 2 Dec 2022, 0:43:35 UTC

In all incredulity...

Just wait for the killer twist in the tail of:


The Verdict Is In On Boeing And Southwest MAX Price Fixing Scam And RICO Conspiracy Charges...
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... Boeing and Southwest were accused of raising prices for 737 MAX flights even tho they knew the MCAS system was a danger to the aircraft. ... forming an alliance to deceive the public to fly on a dangerous aircraft and also inflating prices at the same time...

Quite a judgement... And all very legal?...


Wow!... Just wow!!

There are some very good leads in there for some further legalities to unfurl...


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Message 2110861 - Posted: 2 Dec 2022, 5:58:14 UTC - in response to Message 2110848.  

Hummm
https://kilpatricktownsend.com/Blog/classaction/2022/11/fifth%20circuit%20civil%20rico%20class%20action%20against%20southwest%20airlines%20and%20boeing%20cannot%20stand%20for
Accordingly, the panel reversed the class certification ruling, remanding with instructions that the case be dismissed, holding: “[Plaintiffs] concededly have suffered no physical harm. They have offered no plausible theory of economic harm. At bottom, plaintiffs complain of a past risk of physical injury to which they were allegedly exposed because of defendants’ fraud. But because that risk never materialized, plaintiffs have suffered no injury in fact and lack Article III standing.” Id. at *5.
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Message 2110868 - Posted: 2 Dec 2022, 13:59:56 UTC - in response to Message 2110861.  
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... Apart from the PTSD of nearly being killed?...

... Or the mental anguish of nearly being murdered by corporate greed?...

Not to mention the disillusionment that such deadly nefariousness was perpetrated?...


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Message 2110897 - Posted: 2 Dec 2022, 22:22:20 UTC - in response to Message 2110868.  

some bullets just might jump into a gun and then the gun might point itself at you and then the gun might fire --- oh the PTSD

The Fifth Circuit Court or Appeals is correct, imaginary damages are imaginary.
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Message 2111508 - Posted: 15 Dec 2022, 1:46:08 UTC
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See for yourselves for the latest games of life from Boeing:


blancolirio: $30 Billion Boeing Aircraft Order UPDATE!

... And EICAS?


Maximus: Congress Say's NO To MAX Extension While EASA In Europe Says NO GO Unless The Max Upgrades Safety!

"... an extension to the deadline for the MAX 10 and 7 to be extended to add safety measures to their aircraft..."?!



Is it only EASA that will save us all?...

So... Which is safer when suffering some 'anomaly'?

  • A Christmas tree of flashing lights all around the cockpit with added alarms screaming and the control stick shaking and any of over a dozen immediate "memory items" to guess to follow? Added to fumbling to physically pull open the checklist ring binder manual to find the index entry and then to find the corresponding checklist page??

  • A central panel with the primary fault condition clearly displayed with a displayed check-list to check?


Oh... Also with properly safely redundant spares operating to protect against failure of singular critical sensors?

Comments welcomed...


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Message 2111796 - Posted: 20 Dec 2022, 10:32:39 UTC

U.S. lawmakers back key Boeing 737 MAX deadline waiver
WASHINGTON, Dec 20 (Reuters) - Boeing Co (BA.N) won backing from Congress early on Tuesday to lift a looming deadline imposing a new safety standard for modern cockpit alerts for two new versions of the U.S. planemaker's best-selling 737 MAX aircraft.
...
Some aviation unions had warned Congress in recent days that a failure to lift the deadline could threaten the new planes and cost jobs, while families of those killed in the two crashes and "Miracle on the Hudson" pilot Sully Sullenberger were among those opposed to it.
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Message 2112167 - Posted: 28 Dec 2022, 19:34:37 UTC - in response to Message 2111796.  
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Indeed so...

Deadly so?

See:

Maximus Aviation: Congress SAVES The Boeing Max 10 & 7 - Extends Certification Deadline To 2027 In New Budget Bill!

blancolirio: Boeing 737 MAX -7-10 UPDATE! "Congress Relieves Itself"


There are some unusually 'choice' words from both for that deadly serious saga...

Really? Is Boeing "Too Big To Fail"?...

... And is the Boeing Board profiteering from that?... (And pilots, crew, and passengers be damned?...)


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Message 2113534 - Posted: 25 Jan 2023, 10:47:29 UTC

Well I hope that this project with NASA isn't as problem and cost plagued as others have been.

NASA and Boeing Are Teaming Up to Create a Sleek New Jet That Could Burn 30% Less Fuel.

The space agency announced Wednesday that it’s partnering with Boeing to create a new airliner to further advance sustainability within the industry. The duo will build a full-scale demonstrator aircraft aimed at lowering emissions and increasing fuel efficiency. It is expected to hit the skies in the late 2020s.

The Transonic Truss-Braced Wing concept will be fitted with long, thin wings that will be stabilized by diagonal struts. This sleek silhouette is made to create less drag; thus the airliner will burn less fuel than those currently in the skies. In addition, the craft will feature the most advanced propulsion systems and materials. NASA claims the new green technologies could lower the vessel’s fuel consumption and emission output by up to 30 percent compared to today’s most efficient single-aisle aircraft.

The hope is that this one demonstrator jet will inspire a new generation of environmentally friendly commercial planes. The existing airliners, such as the Boeing 737 or the Airbus A320, collectively account for nearly half of worldwide aviation emissions. In short, creating greener commercial fleets will result in cleaner skies. It will also help the US to achieve net-zero carbon emissions from aviation by 2050, one of the environmental goals outlined in the White House’s US Aviation Climate Action Plan.

Over seven years, NASA will invest $425 million in the project. Boeing and other industry partners will cover the rest of the funding (approximately $725 million). NASA will also provide access to its aeronautics facilities.
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Message 2113591 - Posted: 26 Jan 2023, 15:25:08 UTC
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Moving towards a long long overdue move...?


737 Max crashes: Boeing in court on fraud charge
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Aircraft giant Boeing will answer a fraud charge in court later over two plane crashes which killed 346 people.

Both accidents were down to flaws in the flight control systems on the 737 Max aircraft.

Boeing was found to have failed to disclose information about the system but avoided a trial by agreeing to pay $2.5bn (£1.8bn) in fines and compensation.

Relatives of those who died are trying to reopen the settlement.

It means that for the first time, the company will be formally charged in court in relation to the two crashes, and will have to plead guilty or not guilty...

... In January 2021, the US Department of Justice (DoJ) charged Boeing with fraud. But the company was able to avoid going on trial, by agreeing to pay $2.5bn in fines and compensation, and promising to tighten up its compliance procedures.

This settlement - known as a deferred prosecution agreement - provoked intense anger among a number of the relatives of those who died aboard ET302. They claimed, and continue to claim, that the deal was a "sweetheart agreement" which was concluded without their knowledge, violated their rights, and allowed the company to avoid being held fully accountable...

... "It is important a precedent is set to prevent similar loss of innocent lives, and for Boeing to understand the horrific impact their misconduct has had on so many families,"...

... "These families want the maximum penalty imposed against Boeing, and they want any immunity from prosecution that senior officials at Boeing received to be lifted," he said.



Really?

Is Boeing too big to fail and too big to sue?...

This case is quite The Test...


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Message 2113621 - Posted: 27 Jan 2023, 2:25:35 UTC - in response to Message 2113591.  

In Fort Worth, 737 Max crash victim families scold Justice Dept. in Boeing fraud case
Thirteen people who are relatives of victims of Boeing 737 Max crashes in October 2018 and March 2019 told Judge Reed O’Connor of memories they held and of plans that were upended by the catastrophes.

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Several victim representatives described sleep disrupted by thoughts of the experience of rushing to death inside a plane falling out of the sky.
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Message 2113627 - Posted: 27 Jan 2023, 5:51:40 UTC - in response to Message 2113591.  

Boeing was found to have failed to disclose information about the system but avoided a trial by agreeing to pay $2.5bn (£1.8bn) in fines and compensation.

Chose your words very carefully. If cases are settled, there are no findings.

If this mess goes to trial Boeing can win by blaming the entire thing on the test pilot failing to report the issues, the airlines, who should be sophisticated enough to know that they needed AOA disagree software, the maintenance company that failed to properly fix the AOA sensors and the entire rest of the Swiss cheese alignment in the chain of events.
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Message 2113860 - Posted: 1 Feb 2023, 1:23:01 UTC - in response to Message 2113627.  

The story so far:


Maximus Aviation: Judge ORDERS Boeing To Be Arraigned On FELONY Charges For The 737 Max Crashes - Pleads NOT GUITY!
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... what punishment Boeing could face and we will take a look back at how Boeing lost its way...



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Message 2113863 - Posted: 1 Feb 2023, 1:56:42 UTC - in response to Message 2113860.  

The story so far:
Maximus Aviation: Judge ORDERS Boeing To Be Arraigned On FELONY Charges For The 737 Max Crashes - Pleads NOT GUITY!
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... what punishment Boeing could face and we will take a look back at how Boeing lost its way...

Do you refer to this SINGLE count? https://www.justice.gov/criminal-vns/file/1482906/download
in reference to https://www.justice.gov/criminal-vns/file/1482911/download
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Message 2113870 - Posted: 1 Feb 2023, 2:55:51 UTC - in response to Message 2113863.  
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The story so far:
Maximus Aviation: Judge ORDERS Boeing To Be Arraigned On FELONY Charges For The 737 Max Crashes - Pleads NOT GUITY!
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... what punishment Boeing could face and we will take a look back at how Boeing lost its way...

Do you refer to this SINGLE count? https://www.justice.gov/criminal-vns/file/1482906/download
in reference to https://www.justice.gov/criminal-vns/file/1482911/download

Thanks greatly for those two links.

So... Legalities aside...

Does not that second document in effect have Boeing admit that Boeing Directors/employees acted deadly fraudulently?

All regardless of the DoJ "Sweetheart" "deal" that Boeing is "let off free" but isn't to 'willfully' kill any other passengers and crew within 3 years?...


Is USA justice really so open to 'convenient' 'deals'?!

When did Boeing first offer to pay that DoJ Attorney money and a cozy career??...


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Message 2113903 - Posted: 1 Feb 2023, 14:05:48 UTC - in response to Message 2113870.  

The story so far:
Maximus Aviation: Judge ORDERS Boeing To Be Arraigned On FELONY Charges For The 737 Max Crashes - Pleads NOT GUITY!
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... what punishment Boeing could face and we will take a look back at how Boeing lost its way...

Do you refer to this SINGLE count? https://www.justice.gov/criminal-vns/file/1482906/download
in reference to https://www.justice.gov/criminal-vns/file/1482911/download

Thanks greatly for those two links.

So... Legalities aside...
Legalities are everything.

Does not that second document in effect have Boeing admit that Boeing Directors/employees acted deadly fraudulently?
Court refused it ergo it does not exist.

Is USA justice really so open to 'convenient' 'deals'?!
better that 90% of cases are deals.
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