Boeing: Profits 1st, Safety 2nd? (Part 3)

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Message 2098948 - Posted: 4 May 2022, 21:11:03 UTC
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This is quite a debacle of Boeing profits and politics vs good modern design and safety:


Maximus - Chairman Says NO To Max-10 Certification Extension Raising Real Risk The Program Could Be Shut Down
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Chairman Peter DeFazio says he is voting "no" to a Boeing [737] Max-10 certification extension. So what does this mean for the future of the program? In my biggest Max video yet I will explain everything you need to know about the Max 10 and why the certification of Boeing's largest 737 has become Boeing's most recent headache.



Note especially the comments about modern day cockpit design and safety, and how the old yet still being made Boeing aircraft simply do not have that modern day safety in the cockpit...

How can that be?...


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Message 2098962 - Posted: 4 May 2022, 22:53:06 UTC - in response to Message 2098948.  

How can that be?...
Same way everything out of Textron is legacy. Hint the answer is three letters and one of them is repeated.
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Message 2099007 - Posted: 5 May 2022, 18:09:50 UTC

Boeing set to move headquarters to Arlington, Virginia, sources say
WASHINGTON/SEATTLE, May 5 (Reuters) - U.S. planemaker Boeing Co (BA.N) is set to move its corporate headquarters from Chicago to Arlington, Virginia, two people familiar with the matter said.

The move, likely to be announced as early as next week, comes as Boeing works to emerge from successive crises and industrial problems that have deepened its focus on repairing relationships with customers, U.S. regulators and lawmakers.

The move to Arlington - across the Potomac River from the U.S. capital - will place Boeing senior leaders close to the Federal Aviation Administration, lawmakers and the Pentagon.


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Message 2099008 - Posted: 5 May 2022, 18:29:19 UTC - in response to Message 2099007.  

Not too close, I hope.

You don't want the boardroom heavies close to the regulators: you want the designers, engineers and builders under close scrutiny, for the next few decades at least.
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Message 2099010 - Posted: 5 May 2022, 19:27:15 UTC

da MORE PROFITs a Business Has - dA MORE SAFETY can be Implemented.

LOSING Money aka Less or NO PROFITs - Will NOT Pay fo da SAFETY Measures.

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Message 2099013 - Posted: 5 May 2022, 20:20:53 UTC - in response to Message 2099010.  
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da MORE PROFITs a Business Has - dA MORE SAFETY can be Implemented.
dA MORE SAFETY can be paid in bonuses and to the share holders.

The accountants will tell you spending a billion or so, on more safety is a waste of money, when the cost of insuring to cover the costs of the few accidents, is only a few million/year.
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Message 2099019 - Posted: 5 May 2022, 20:55:13 UTC - in response to Message 2099007.  

Boeing set to move headquarters to Arlington, Virginia, sources say
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All cynical comments welcome.

Don't know why was not done in the first place some years back when they wanted Corp HQ out of Seattle area.

Chi-Town costs for rent, talent, etc much higher than Arlington VA.
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Message 2099022 - Posted: 5 May 2022, 22:41:52 UTC

Yeah Baby!!!!! Arlington, VA.

Where I was Born Baby!!!!

Stay Safe Baby!!!!!!

Make Profits Baby!!!!

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Message 2099026 - Posted: 5 May 2022, 22:53:41 UTC - in response to Message 2099013.  

da MORE PROFITs a Business Has - dA MORE SAFETY can be Implemented.
dA MORE SAFETY can be paid in bonuses and to the share holders.

The accountants will tell you spending a billion or so, on more safety is a waste of money, when the cost of insuring to cover the costs of the few accidents, is only a few million/year.

BINGO - Ford Pinto gas tanks.
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Message 2099719 - Posted: 17 May 2022, 20:21:03 UTC

China air crash that killed 132 may have been deliberate, says US report
WSJ sources suggest black box recorders from Boeing 737-800 indicate intentional input from cockpit

A China Eastern Airlines plane that crashed in March, killing 132 people, appears to have been intentionally flown into the mountainside below by someone at the controls, according to reports.
Analysis by US officials of the black box flight recorders found amid the wreckage suggests deliberate input from the cockpit forced the Boeing 737-800 plane into its catastrophic dive.
The Wall Street Journal quoted an unnamed source who said: “The plane did what it was told to do by someone in the cockpit.”
The China Eastern plane was cruising at a steady altitude and speed before it suddenly descended more than 20,000ft in just over a minute, and crashing near the city of Wuzhou in Guangxi province.
Chinese investigators have led the crash inquiry but US officials are involved as the plane is US-made.
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Message 2099737 - Posted: 18 May 2022, 4:28:24 UTC - in response to Message 2099719.  

China air crash that killed 132 may have been deliberate, says US report
WSJ sources suggest black box recorders from Boeing 737-800 indicate intentional input from cockpit

A China Eastern Airlines plane that crashed in March, killing 132 people, appears to have been intentionally flown into the mountainside below by someone at the controls, according to reports.
Analysis by US officials of the black box flight recorders found amid the wreckage suggests deliberate input from the cockpit forced the Boeing 737-800 plane into its catastrophic dive.
The Wall Street Journal quoted an unnamed source who said: “The plane did what it was told to do by someone in the cockpit.”
The China Eastern plane was cruising at a steady altitude and speed before it suddenly descended more than 20,000ft in just over a minute, and crashing near the city of Wuzhou in Guangxi province.
Chinese investigators have led the crash inquiry but US officials are involved as the plane is US-made.

CFIT. https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=85359&postid=2096309#2096309
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Message 2099741 - Posted: 18 May 2022, 5:56:08 UTC - in response to Message 2099737.  
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China air crash that killed 132 may have been deliberate, says US report
WSJ sources suggest black box recorders from Boeing 737-800 indicate intentional input from cockpit

A China Eastern Airlines plane that crashed in March, killing 132 people, appears to have been intentionally flown into the mountainside below by someone at the controls, according to reports.
Analysis by US officials of the black box flight recorders found amid the wreckage suggests deliberate input from the cockpit forced the Boeing 737-800 plane into its catastrophic dive.
The Wall Street Journal quoted an unnamed source who said: “The plane did what it was told to do by someone in the cockpit.”
The China Eastern plane was cruising at a steady altitude and speed before it suddenly descended more than 20,000ft in just over a minute, and crashing near the city of Wuzhou in Guangxi province.
Chinese investigators have led the crash inquiry but US officials are involved as the plane is US-made.

CFIT. https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=85359&postid=2096309#2096309
Yes, and sadly having actual footage of that crash really left it beyond doubt that it was a controlled dive overriding both aerodynamic principles and electronic fail safes. :-(
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Message 2100666 - Posted: 3 Jun 2022, 17:10:50 UTC
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The sorry (deadly?) saga of Boeing continues:

(All just my own uneducated personal viewpoint as always...)


Boeing is losing the plane race. So it packed up and left for Washington
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Boeing is moving its headquarters from Chicago to a suburb of Washington, DC. But some analysts think this move is one in the wrong direction.
Boeing was based in Seattle from its founding in 1916 to 2001. During its heyday it was renowned as an engineering-driven company that made the best, safest planes. But many industry watchers felt that reputation was lost as Boeing shifted to focus on the bottom line...

... "One company [(Airbus)] is saying 'We're going to build lots of jets.' The other [(Boeing)] is saying 'We're going to lobby the Pentagon and Congress for defense dollars.' It's a big contrast...

... The crashes of two of 737 Max jets that killed all 346 people on board the flights led to a crippling 20-month grounding of the plane. It also was one of the most expensive corporate blunders in history, costing Boeing in excess of $20 billion. But it's had problems, delays and financial charges for just about all of its other passenger jets too...

... already has nearly 100 lobbyists and a lobbying budget of $13.4 million a year ... "I don't think anyone would accuse Boeing of not having enough presence in DC,"...

... "Boeing's problem isn't a lack of access to government, but rather its ongoing production problems and the failures of management and the board that led to the fatal crashes of the 737 Max." "Boeing should focus on making safe airplanes — not lobbying federal regulators and Congress,"...


Boeing unveils new safety plan that sharpens focus and culture
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Boeing has published its 2022 Chief Aerospace Safety Officer Report which reveals a host of major changes to sharpen focus and improve culture...

... The realignment results in an even greater emphasis on safety as it increases transparency, collaboration and accountability across all engineering designs and decisions...

... All of these changes are an important part of the ongoing Boeing safety journey...


FAA finds Boeing 787 certification documents incomplete {inadequate}
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Deliveries of the 787 have been halted for a year as Boeing addressed inspections and repairs in an industrial headache expected to cost $5.5 billion...

... In February, the FAA said it would not allow Boeing to self-certify individual new Boeing 787 planes. Then-FAA Administrator Steve Dickson said the agency needed from Boeing “a systemic fix to their production processes. They’ve got to produce the quality on their production line that we’re looking for and that they’ve committed to.”...


FAA plans tighter reins than normal on Boeing
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The manufacturer this week was denied a standard request for a new, five-year period for self-regulation by the FAA, with the regulator instead opting to delegate that authority for only three years.

... “There are multiple in-work improvements that the FAA would like to assess within the Boeing organization over the next three years,” the agency said in a letter to the company. “We will review improvements to the ODA, including, but not limited to, interference, independence, timely implementation of corrective actions, Boeing Procedures Manual updates, self-audits and implementation of the Boeing Safety Management System.”

The heavier hand from the FAA comes in the wake of years of crisis at Boeing, including deadly crashes...

... The FAA has said it would individually certify each 737 MAX and 787 that comes off Boeing’s production lines.


Boeing clashes with key supplier ahead of Starliner spacecraft launch
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... at odds over the cause of a problem involving fuel valves in the Starliner propulsion system that forced a postponement of a test flight last July, with the two companies faulting one another...

... Boeing in a statement ... acknowledged for the first time that it ultimately intends to redesign Starliner's valve system to prevent a repeat of the issue that forced last year's test-flight postponement...

... technical setbacks have pushed Starliner's first flight with people aboard into an unknown future, placing it far behind Musk's SpaceX, whose Crew Dragon capsule, developed under the same NASA program as Starliner, has already flown five astronaut crews...

... Boeing last week wheeled Starliner back to the launch pad for a third time ahead of the upcoming launch, having swapped out the propulsion system for a new one with a temporary fix that prevents moisture from seeping into the valve section. ... This approach was used in order to get Starliner back to the launchpad quickly...

... NASA officials acknowledged they had trusted Boeing too much...


Boeing's Starliner encounters propulsion problems on way to ISS
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... Boeing's Starliner capsule was heading for the International Space Station Thursday, in a critical uncrewed test flight that followed years of failures and false starts...


Boeing’s Starliner spacecraft lands in New Mexico after successful test flight
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Boeing’s Starliner spacecraft parachuted to a “picture perfect” landing in southern New Mexico Wednesday, capping a six-day test flight to the International Space Station...

... This time, the mood was jubilant among NASA and Boeing officials...

... “We have a few things to work on between now and then, but I don’t really see any showstoppers this time relative to last time, when we had challenges to the software and the comm (communications) system.”

The problems found on the 2019 test flight caused a two-year delay in the program. Last year, Boeing moved a Starliner spacecraft to the launch pad for a redo, but engineers discovered stuck valves...


What's next for Boeing's Starliner capsule after historic space station mission?
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Starliner could fly astronauts for the first time later this year...


Are NASA and Boeing getting overconfident about Starliner?
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Yesterday, Boeing gave Starliner a score of 15 out of a possible 10! Was the test flight really this good? Or is this the kind of hubris that we saw at NASA just prior to the Challenger disaster...


NASA to buy 5 more astronaut missions from SpaceX
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... Assuming the newly purchased five flights continue in sequence after Crew-9, the contract modification would bring SpaceX through mission Crew-14...

... NASA sees SpaceX and Boeing as keystones in its astronaut transportation needs in the coming years; the agency awarded contracts to both companies in 2014 for such work. NASA noted on that Wednesday it may need to use additional SpaceX flights as soon as 2026. Ordering more Dragon missions that may fly even after Starliner is ready provides important redundancy, agency officials said...


Boeing stock sinks to new 52-week low after latest string of depressing news
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Boeing (NYSE:BA) closed -4.8% in Thursday's trading, touching a new two-year intraday low of $120.28, and shares have shed 26% since the company's big Q1 earnings miss on April 27, when it also said it would pause production of the 777X at least through 2023.

CEO David Calhoun had to defend the company's engineering culture after a raft of cost overruns and stretched certification timelines...



What do you believe?

Will this unnecessarily risk the death/killing of yet more people for the sake of deadly greedy corporate (and directors' personal) profit?

Stay safe folks!
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Message 2100678 - Posted: 3 Jun 2022, 19:41:12 UTC - in response to Message 2100666.  

Having been involved at the sharp end pf the compliance industry....
It is not uncommon for early issues of so called compliance demonstration documents to be both inadeqiate and incomplete.
Why do I say both?
Incomplete means they don't cover all the required clauses of the standards.
Inadaequate means that the responses to clauses does not clearly and unequivocally demonsttate compliance with one or more clauses of a given stamdard. It's no good saying "We comply" without the appropriate demonstration of compliance.
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Message 2101534 - Posted: 18 Jun 2022, 23:10:49 UTC
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Is this the lawsuit that will eventually force the Boeing 'accountants' to reassess the price of a life?


A New Six BILLION Dollar Suit Has Be Filed Against Boeing By Family Members Of A Lion Air Passenger
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... This suit also [personally] names former CEO Dennis Muilenburg along with present Boeing CEO Dave Calhoun and former Chief Test Pilot Mark Forkner.



Also for quite an eye-opener:

  • How has Boeing managed such a paltry payout for the victims of the two 737 Max MCAS crashes?


From my uneducated personal view: Such a paltry payout gives convincing credence that the lives of passengers and crew were 'sacrificed' for the sake of increased profits by avoiding the expense of design and pilot training...


All in our deadly greedy world...
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