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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Meanwhile, the Boeing 737 Max stays grounded: Boeing 737 MAX expected to remain grounded until at least August... wrote: ... 737 MAX jet is expected to remain grounded until at least August as the manufacturer continues to grapple with software issues... Boeing probed for quality-control lapses on 737 Max assembly line wrote: Boeing potentially faces far greater legal liability than previously known... All in our deadly greedy world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... Last month, Boeing decided to separate 737 MAX wiring bundles that regulators had flagged as potentially dangerous... A reminder that the same problem "potentially catastrophic failure" wiring is on the current 737 NG aircraft. Those are still flying... See: Boeing to Separate Grounded 737 MAX Wiring Bundles Any news for the 737 NG wiring bundles likewise getting fixed? All in our deadly greedy world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Here's an easily followed summary of the present state for the Boeing 737 Max: YouTube: FAA Launches Investigation this Week wrote: The FAA is launching a NEW investigation into the Foreign Object Debris left in Half of all MAX jets fuel tanks, engines, and other sealed spaces. Employees may be doing this on purpose or in the least the morale is so bad at Boeing, nobody cares anymore... Very interesting that the question is raised of whether the potentially deadly Foreign Object Debris found in over half of the 737 Max aircraft inspected after leaving the factory is possibly due to (disgruntled, overworked?) worker sabotage... Whatever next? All in our deadly greedy world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
This to my mind and personal view is just unforgivably gobsmacking! Read the wording carefully: FAA Response to 737 MAX Crash Report Preserves Boeing’s Big Role in Certifying its Own Planes So, for my personal totally ignorant interpretation of that:
The FAA welcomed that finding and noted that “application of new airworthiness standards, in some circumstances, can increase costs.†The current system for certifying a derivative airplane like the MAX, “balances these economic and safety outcomes,†the FAA report states. Really?!!! For the Boeing 737 MAX examples for example, totally ignoring the potentially catastrophically fatal wiring and lack of flight computer redundant operation and single points of failure? Note that it was such failures that are now known to have caused three fatal crashes... And others? All in our deadly greedy world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
For a little more detail, see: FAA response to 737 MAX crash report preserves Boeing’s big role in certifying its own planes wrote: ... A former top FAA official, who asked not to be identified to protect his current role as a consultant on aviation safety matters, said the overall FAA response looks like “more of the same†— a determination to maintain its decades-long progression of doing less and less hands-on oversight and delegating more of that work to Boeing. All in our continuing deadly greedy world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
This one is unusual and worrying that such parts can be lost in flight: Swift Air B737 Lands With Tail Parts Missing Quite a scary picture for what isn't there... An aircraft can too easily lose its skin from such damage. Next comes the how and why... (Note that is on an old Boeing 737 NG aircraft.) All in our deadly greedy world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
A few more bits of Boeing news: Lawmakers rip FAA for not disclosing documents on Boeing Max wrote: Senators of both parties lashed out at the Federal Aviation Administration on Wednesday, accusing it of stonewalling their attempts to understand how the agency approved a Boeing jet that later suffered two deadly crashes and whether it retaliates against whistleblowers... Really!... They really said that!... I find their lack of seriousness very disturbing... More debris found on a new Boeing tanker wrote: Delivery of a Boeing Co. KC-46 tanker has been delayed after another incident of debris found on the aircraft... Boeing tried to amend bid after guidance from NASA official, raising concerns it received inside information wrote: ... about a bid to win a contract potentially worth hundreds of millions of dollars, the company attempted to amend its proposal past the deadline for doing so... Boeing whistleblower alleges systemic problems with 737 Max wrote: A Boeing engineer who last year lodged an internal ethics complaint alleging serious shortcomings in development of the 737 Max has written to a U.S. Senate committee asserting that systemic problems with the jet’s design “must be fixed before the 737 Max is allowed to return to service.â€... Highly damning. All just a 'normal' week for Boeing? Your life may well depend on that... All in our deadly greedy world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11414 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
[quote]Highly damning. All just a 'normal' week for Boeing? Your life may well depend on that... All in our deadly greedy world,[/quote Not Boeing's fault, they were just following the legally mandated fiduciary law. The concept sprung out of the highly respected London School of Economics. Until congress steps in and changes the law that will be business as usual for all publicly held companies. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19372 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
[quote]Highly damning. Surely it is older that the LSE, isn't it within English Common Law or the Court of Chancery? |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19372 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
FAA orders fix for engine covers of Boeing 737 Max planes WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. safety officials will require all Boeing 737 Max airliners to be inspected for a manufacturing defect on engine coverings that they say could lead to loss of power during flights. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19372 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Boeing 737 MAX certification flight tests to begin on Monday SEATTLE/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Pilots and test crew members from the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration and Boeing Co (BA.N) are slated to begin a three-day certification test campaign for the 737 MAX on Monday, people familiar with the matter told Reuters. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36619 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
I'm starting to wonder if Boeing will be able to survive under the current conditions and that's not just because of their 737 MAX problems. With major airlines mothballing large numbers of aircraft due to this coronavirus and lack of demand forcing them to downsize their fleets while many aircraft storage companies are in a rush to expand facilities all over the world to accommodate all those planes so who are Boeing going to find to sell all those new planes to? |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22506 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Most (all) of them will have been sold already, but not delivered. The way aircraft are bought is not a simple "pay on delivery", but a series of staged payments, starting when the order is place, followed by key points during construction. Depending on the particular delivery contract there could be as little as 5% of the total agreed price to pay on some of the completed aircraft, while for those further back in the manufacturing process only 5% may have already been paid. Nothing in airline financing is easy - it's all designed to keep the lawyers and accountants in jobs. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
WTF?!! Very scary... FAA issues emergency directive on 2,000 Boeing 737 NG, Classic planes wrote: ... (FAA) on Friday issued an emergency airworthiness directive for 2,000 U.S.-registered Boeing 737 NG and Classic aircraft that have been in storage, warning they could have corrosion that could lead to a dual-engine failure... That is one nasty common mode fault from which there is no recovery... What happened to "fail safe" design for critical parts?... How much more 'winging it' on a 'prayer and hope'?... OK, so that is with the engines supplier but still, Boeing is the one that signs off on such things and then kills people... All in our only one greedy world... Stay safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22506 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Since the same engine is used on the A32x series I think we will see a similar directive covering those aircraft. Don't forget that this applies to aircraft that have been parked for months without engine start & run-up. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21129 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Since the same engine is used on the A32x series I think we will see a similar directive covering those aircraft. Good comment. Will be interesting to see how quickly that directive gets spread further. Curiously: Why then is only Boeing detailed and not that particular engine type? Also: I was under the impression that part of parking up the planes was that the engines were spun up every week to keep things dry and lubricated... Is that not the case? And for such a critical valve to jam, should there not be a further directive for that valve to be redesigned or at the very least, tested by the engine controller as part of start-up? All a game of incomplete design due to the rush for greedy profit? Stay safe! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30984 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Since the same engine is used on the A32x series I think we will see a similar directive covering those aircraft. This valve won't move until the engine is at near full power. Doesn't happen on the ground unless you want to take off. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22506 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Well, yes and no - it's not quite as simple as "it won't move until at high power", its more a case of "It is not returned to closed until dropping from high power". The actual EAD is very easy to implement, on the ground being a visual inspection of the valve seats and "replace as necessary", and only affects aircraft that have been stored for the last few months. And why the inspection isn't it part of the release from storage procedure - that's a whole different question. Blancolirio has put out a short video outlining things and why only the b737 is affected (just now?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHHMPXYEs9Y Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30984 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Put it this way, it closed on the last flight and sealed. Seal rotted while sitting. Opens at high power tearing the seal. Low power called for and it can't close from all the hanging torn rot. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36619 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Since the same engine is used on the A32x series I think we will see a similar directive covering those aircraft.Which is why I put this story in the Cafe's Transportation Safety thread and not here as it does not really suit this thread or its title. ;-) Cheers. |
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