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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31012 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
VAS Aviation ATC/Radar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7-zh7Sebr8 |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22535 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
AgentJZ's view (he's a jet engine technician) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQwaqDe3jio Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19402 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
BBC - United Airlines grounds planes after engine failure In response to the incident, Japan has asked all airlines using Boeing 777s with the same Pratt & Whitney 4000 engine to avoid its airspace.... As stated in the link from Rob's previous. "Based on the initial information, we concluded that the inspection interval should be stepped up for the hollow fan blades that are unique to this model of engine, used solely on Boeing 777 airplanes."... In 2018, the right engine of a United Airlines plane broke shortly before it landed in Honolulu. Following an investigation, the National Transportation Safety Board said the incident was caused by a full-length fan blade fracture. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31012 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Who to blame? Boeing? Raytheon? FAA? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
As the aircraft is 26 years old, none of them. Down to the airline. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21235 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
As the aircraft is 26 years old, none of them. Not entirely... The airline may well have been meticulously following the maintenance requirements... Also very much involved are:
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kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51478 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
* Raytheon?: Engine design if it is their design; Pratt & Whitney PW4000 "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22535 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Given the age of the aircraft it is mainly the operator/maintainer jointly with the FAA. Remember this is not the first such incident with this aircraft plus engine combination, the warning signs have been around for a few years. Sadly this was not the only engine guz-bang over the weekend - there was one with a 747 over Belgium which looks to be even nastier, with some fairly hard pointed lumps arriving in a parked car, and hitting a woman on the ground. It is interesting to compare the near hysteria in the press of the no-injury incident in the USA and the injury incident in Belgium. (Both engines concerned were from the P&W 4000 series) Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31012 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
P&W owned by former United Technologies before merger with Raytheon, now a Raytheon company.* Raytheon?: Engine design if it is their design; |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31012 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
A lot more good info from a 777 pilot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwNCCrjMmeg |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19402 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
One airline seems to believe Boeing have cured the 737Max problems. United orders another 25 Boeing 737 MAX jets to prepare for recovery (Reuters) - United Airlines Holdings Inc has ordered 25 new Boeing 737 MAX aircraft to receive in 2023 and moved up the delivery of others as it prepares to replace aging jets and meet expected post-pandemic growth in demand, the company said on Monday. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21235 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
One airline seems to believe Boeing have cured the 737Max problems... Various small/medium sized airlines are trapped into carrying on using the same aircraft type regardless... There are a lot of sunk costs in the infrastructure and training for supporting a particular aircraft. In my uneducated most humble personal opinion: For the sake of short term greedy profits for the board of directors, Boeing are not going to fix any cockpit or any other shortcomings unless forced to do so. How many more lives? Stay safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31012 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21235 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Thanks for that. There is a genuine concern being raised there. Especially for accommodating flexing and punctures... Then again, are not those same technique used for the existing fuel tanks in the wings and mid-sections?... More of a concern from my humble uneducated view and opinion concerns how Boeing run general cabling through the fuel tanks in their 747 (and others?)... Hasn't that practice effectively been banned for all newer designs?... Fly safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21235 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Boeing is still in the news for all the deadly wrong reasons... A very stiff drink is needed: Boeing, hit with $6.6 million FAA fine, faces much bigger 787 repair bill wrote: Boeing Co will pay $6.6 million to U.S. regulators as part of a settlement over quality and safety-oversight lapses going back years, a setback that comes as Boeing wrestles with repairs to flawed 787 Dreamliner jets that could dwarf the cost of the federal penalty... Boeing Reeled From ‘Terrible’ Press After First Max Crash wrote: Boeing Co. leaders were stunned by a barrage of negative articles after a 737 Max plunged into the Java Sea in October 2018, killing all aboard, according to internal communications... FAA to inspect several Boeing Dreamliners due to production issues wrote: The Federal Aviation Administration said Wednesday that it will inspect four of Boeing's 787 Dreamliner planes itself, rather than delegating that work to Boeing, after production issues surfaced last year... Boeing Testing Dreamliner Cockpit Windows as Flaws Search Widens wrote: Boeing Co. is scrutinizing the flight-deck windows of some of its 787 Dreamliners... Shareholder Primacy Culture And The Cautionary Tale Of Boeing wrote: ... a shocking story not just of lives lost but of a corporate culture born of shareholder primacy that remains a pernicious and dangerous force today... $2.5 billion dollars and admitted criminal wrongdoing. Boeing backs Trump plane emission rule seen by US states as weak wrote: United States plane maker Boeing Co has backed fuel efficiency standards for new aircraft – the first of their kind – finalised by the Trump administration in its waning days... Boeing CEO waived pay but got compensation worth $21 million wrote: Boeing CEO David Calhoun declined a salary and performance bonus for most of last year but still received stock benefits that pushed the estimated value of his compensation to more than $21 million... Families of Boeing crash victims renew push for FAA changes wrote: Relatives of some of the passengers who died in the crash of an Ethiopian Airlines marked Wednesday's two-year anniversary of the disaster by seeking the improbable: a reversal of government orders that let Boeing 737 Max jets fly again. Feinberg to Oversee Boeing 737 $500M Victim Compensation Fund wrote: The fund is part of a $2.5 billion Justice Department settlement reached in January with Boeing Co. after prosecutors charged the company with fraud over the certification of the 737 MAX following a Lion Air crash on Oct. 29, 2019 and an Ethiopian Airlines disaster on March 10, 2019... Federal Watchdog Blasts FAA Over Certification of Boeing Jet wrote: ... “I have been and remain seriously concerned that Boeing was able to put a fatally flawed aircraft into service under FAA’s certification process — a fundamental indictment of the shortcomings of that process,” he said. To my humble totally uneducated personal view: Totally Damning. Criminally damning? Fly safe?! All in our only one deadly greedy world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22535 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
... Boeing has not told airlines how many jets are impacted... If Boeing won't then the FAA (and other aviation authorities) should. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19402 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Boeing grounds dozens of 737 Max Jets on Electrical Flaw Boeing Co. grounded dozens of 737 Max jets to repair an electrical flaw that emerged in recently delivered models, forcing airlines to cancel flights and line up replacement aircraft. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22535 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
While not affecting, or caused by, Boeing this new story is a fine example of what can happen when software updates aren't properly tested: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56690529 Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Technology in many respects has made our lives easier. Unfortunately, it will always have a major flaw - human error. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19402 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Technology in many respects has made our lives easier. Human |
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