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Message 2068898 - Posted: 21 Feb 2021, 2:08:39 UTC

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Message 2068947 - Posted: 21 Feb 2021, 22:01:58 UTC

AgentJZ's view (he's a jet engine technician)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQwaqDe3jio
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Message 2068968 - Posted: 22 Feb 2021, 4:33:14 UTC

BBC - United Airlines grounds planes after engine failure
In response to the incident, Japan has asked all airlines using Boeing 777s with the same Pratt & Whitney 4000 engine to avoid its airspace.

Boeing said it supported Japan's decision and has recommended suspending operations of all 777s with the same engine while an investigation into the incident continues. The manufacturer says there are 69 Boeing 777s currently in service worldwide with this engine.

According to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), United is the only US airline flying such planes, with the others being in Japan and South Korea.
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As stated in the link from Rob's previous.
"Based on the initial information, we concluded that the inspection interval should be stepped up for the hollow fan blades that are unique to this model of engine, used solely on Boeing 777 airplanes."

The FAA is meeting representatives from the engine firm and Boeing.

The National Transportation Safety Board's initial finding is that most of the damage occurred in the right engine, where two fan blades were fractured and other blades also impacted. The main body of the aeroplane suffered only minor damage.
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In 2018, the right engine of a United Airlines plane broke shortly before it landed in Honolulu. Following an investigation, the National Transportation Safety Board said the incident was caused by a full-length fan blade fracture.
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Message 2068973 - Posted: 22 Feb 2021, 5:46:34 UTC

Who to blame? Boeing? Raytheon? FAA?
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Message 2068982 - Posted: 22 Feb 2021, 11:44:36 UTC - in response to Message 2068973.  

As the aircraft is 26 years old, none of them.
Down to the airline.
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Message 2069004 - Posted: 22 Feb 2021, 16:53:15 UTC - in response to Message 2068982.  
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As the aircraft is 26 years old, none of them.
Down to the airline.

Not entirely... The airline may well have been meticulously following the maintenance requirements...

Also very much involved are:

  • Boeing?: Engine cowling design, integration design, engine design oversight, and they have overall responsibility that must not be shirked or 'contracted out';

  • Raytheon?: Engine design if it is their design;

  • FAA?: Oversight and design and safety requirements and safety tests sign-off.



Or... At least that is how it should be...?

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Message 2069008 - Posted: 22 Feb 2021, 17:06:37 UTC - in response to Message 2069004.  

* Raytheon?: Engine design if it is their design;

Pratt & Whitney PW4000
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Message 2069009 - Posted: 22 Feb 2021, 17:08:58 UTC - in response to Message 2069004.  

Given the age of the aircraft it is mainly the operator/maintainer jointly with the FAA. Remember this is not the first such incident with this aircraft plus engine combination, the warning signs have been around for a few years.
Sadly this was not the only engine guz-bang over the weekend - there was one with a 747 over Belgium which looks to be even nastier, with some fairly hard pointed lumps arriving in a parked car, and hitting a woman on the ground.

It is interesting to compare the near hysteria in the press of the no-injury incident in the USA and the injury incident in Belgium.

(Both engines concerned were from the P&W 4000 series)
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Message 2069058 - Posted: 23 Feb 2021, 4:51:46 UTC - in response to Message 2069008.  
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* Raytheon?: Engine design if it is their design;

Pratt & Whitney PW4000-100
P&W owned by former United Technologies before merger with Raytheon, now a Raytheon company.
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Message 2069068 - Posted: 23 Feb 2021, 5:50:39 UTC

A lot more good info from a 777 pilot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwNCCrjMmeg
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Message 2069565 - Posted: 1 Mar 2021, 15:24:12 UTC

One airline seems to believe Boeing have cured the 737Max problems.
United orders another 25 Boeing 737 MAX jets to prepare for recovery
(Reuters) - United Airlines Holdings Inc has ordered 25 new Boeing 737 MAX aircraft to receive in 2023 and moved up the delivery of others as it prepares to replace aging jets and meet expected post-pandemic growth in demand, the company said on Monday.
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Message 2069571 - Posted: 1 Mar 2021, 15:49:29 UTC - in response to Message 2069565.  

One airline seems to believe Boeing have cured the 737Max problems...

Various small/medium sized airlines are trapped into carrying on using the same aircraft type regardless... There are a lot of sunk costs in the infrastructure and training for supporting a particular aircraft.

In my uneducated most humble personal opinion: For the sake of short term greedy profits for the board of directors, Boeing are not going to fix any cockpit or any other shortcomings unless forced to do so.

How many more lives?


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Message 2069755 - Posted: 2 Mar 2021, 23:52:22 UTC

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Message 2069756 - Posted: 3 Mar 2021, 0:21:20 UTC - in response to Message 2069755.  

Thanks for that.

There is a genuine concern being raised there. Especially for accommodating flexing and punctures...

Then again, are not those same technique used for the existing fuel tanks in the wings and mid-sections?...


More of a concern from my humble uneducated view and opinion concerns how Boeing run general cabling through the fuel tanks in their 747 (and others?)... Hasn't that practice effectively been banned for all newer designs?...


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Message 2071145 - Posted: 19 Mar 2021, 4:02:17 UTC
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Boeing is still in the news for all the deadly wrong reasons...

A very stiff drink is needed:


Boeing, hit with $6.6 million FAA fine, faces much bigger 787 repair bill
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Boeing Co will pay $6.6 million to U.S. regulators as part of a settlement over quality and safety-oversight lapses going back years, a setback that comes as Boeing wrestles with repairs to flawed 787 Dreamliner jets that could dwarf the cost of the federal penalty...

... structural integrity flaws embedded deep inside at least 88 parked 787s...

... The inspections and retrofits could take up to a month per plane and are likely to cost hundreds of millions - if not billions - of dollars, though it depends on the number of planes and defects involved...

... Boeing paid $12 million in 2015 as part of the settlement...

... Boeing has not told airlines how many jets are impacted...

Boeing Reeled From ‘Terrible’ Press After First Max Crash
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Boeing Co. leaders were stunned by a barrage of negative articles after a 737 Max plunged into the Java Sea in October 2018, killing all aboard, according to internal communications...

... board directors worried about media coverage...

... The inaction amounts to an “epochal corporate governance catastrophe,” the New York and Colorado funds said in an amended Delaware Chancery Court complaint...

... The pension funds are suing current and former directors and officers, including current CEO Dave Calhoun, claiming they ignored red flags before the crashes...

... Muilenburg, who would be forced out a year later over the Max crisis, sketched out a response that included providing background briefings to media and working with airlines to “counter pilot union comments (who are motivated to get separate type rate for Max - equals more pay.)”...

FAA to inspect several Boeing Dreamliners due to production issues
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The Federal Aviation Administration said Wednesday that it will inspect four of Boeing's 787 Dreamliner planes itself, rather than delegating that work to Boeing, after production issues surfaced last year...

... The increased scrutiny of the Dreamliners comes four months after the FAA lifted a 20-month flight ban on Boeing's best-selling 737 Max, which the regulator grounded in March 2019 after two deadly crashes in five months...

Boeing Testing Dreamliner Cockpit Windows as Flaws Search Widens
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Boeing Co. is scrutinizing the flight-deck windows of some of its 787 Dreamliners...

... A supplier revising its manufacturing methods typically wouldn’t make headlines. But with Boeing under scrutiny from regulators and customers after two fatal crashes involving its 737 Max and a slew of production glitches, officials need to ensure the modified processes still meet all requirements. The testing of flight-deck windows in other batches of Dreamliners is still ongoing...

Shareholder Primacy Culture And The Cautionary Tale Of Boeing
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... a shocking story not just of lives lost but of a corporate culture born of shareholder primacy that remains a pernicious and dangerous force today... $2.5 billion dollars and admitted criminal wrongdoing.

What is critical now isn’t the what in this story, but the why...

... describing the horrific happenings at Boeing after records revealed that for years the company took dangerous, risky shortcuts to maximize short-term shareholder value...

... The real question is fiduciary responsibility to whom?...

... The disastrous culture and governance at Boeing is an example that must be examined...

Boeing backs Trump plane emission rule seen by US states as weak
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United States plane maker Boeing Co has backed fuel efficiency standards for new aircraft – the first of their kind – finalised by the Trump administration in its waning days...

... 12 states, the District of Columbia and three environmental groups, want tougher emissions rules.

The states said late last year that the EPA rule lags “existing technology by more than 10 years and would result in no [greenhouse gas] reductions at all compared to business-as-usual”...

... The Environmental Defense Fund has said the EPA’s “do-nothing rule is totally inadequate in light of the climate crisis.”...

Boeing CEO waived pay but got compensation worth $21 million
wrote:
Boeing CEO David Calhoun declined a salary and performance bonus for most of last year but still received stock benefits that pushed the estimated value of his compensation to more than $21 million...

Families of Boeing crash victims renew push for FAA changes
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Relatives of some of the passengers who died in the crash of an Ethiopian Airlines marked Wednesday's two-year anniversary of the disaster by seeking the improbable: a reversal of government orders that let Boeing 737 Max jets fly again.

They are also seeking the removal of several top officials at the Federal Aviation Administration, which certified the plane and let it keep flying after another Max crashed in Indonesia, five months before the Ethiopian accident. A total of 346 people died in both crashes. The family members say they are trying to prevent a third crash...

... “The truth is that 346 people are now dead because Boeing cut corners, lied to regulators, and simply considers this the cost of doing business,”...

Feinberg to Oversee Boeing 737 $500M Victim Compensation Fund
wrote:
The fund is part of a $2.5 billion Justice Department settlement reached in January with Boeing Co. after prosecutors charged the company with fraud over the certification of the 737 MAX following a Lion Air crash on Oct. 29, 2019 and an Ethiopian Airlines disaster on March 10, 2019...

... The DOJ settlement includes a fine of $243.6 million and compensation to airlines of $1.77 billion over fraud conspiracy charges related to the plane’s flawed design.

Chris Moore, who lost his daughter in the Ethiopian crash, noted that the fine is only 10% of the total settlement, or the cost of about two 737 MAX planes.

“If this isn’t a slap in the face for us – I don’t know what is. It definitely is only a slap on their wrist,” he said.

The Justice Department said in January, “Boeing’s employees chose the path of profit over candor by concealing material information from the FAA concerning the operation of its 737 Max airplane and engaging in an effort to cover up their deception.”...

Federal Watchdog Blasts FAA Over Certification of Boeing Jet
wrote:
... “I have been and remain seriously concerned that Boeing was able to put a fatally flawed aircraft into service under FAA’s certification process — a fundamental indictment of the shortcomings of that process,” he said.

Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., said the report indicated concealment by Boeing and negligence by the FAA.

The same inspector general’s office reported last year that Boeing failed to disclose to the FAA changes it made to MCAS. In January, Boeing agreed to a $2.5 billion settlement with the Justice Department to avoid prosecution for defrauding the FAA...



To my humble totally uneducated personal view: Totally Damning.

Criminally damning?

Fly safe?!


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Message 2071154 - Posted: 19 Mar 2021, 7:07:25 UTC

... Boeing has not told airlines how many jets are impacted...

If Boeing won't then the FAA (and other aviation authorities) should.
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Message 2072970 - Posted: 9 Apr 2021, 22:25:00 UTC

Boeing grounds dozens of 737 Max Jets on Electrical Flaw
Boeing Co. grounded dozens of 737 Max jets to repair an electrical flaw that emerged in recently delivered models, forcing airlines to cancel flights and line up replacement aircraft.

U.S. carriers including Southwest Airlines Co., American Airlines Group Inc. and United Airlines Holdings Inc. parked a combined 67 of the workhorse planes Friday, about a third of the Max jets in service worldwide. The manufacturing glitch affects a subset of aircraft at 16 airlines, not the entire Max fleet, Boeing said in a statement
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Message 2072991 - Posted: 10 Apr 2021, 8:43:31 UTC

While not affecting, or caused by, Boeing this new story is a fine example of what can happen when software updates aren't properly tested:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56690529
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Message 2073014 - Posted: 10 Apr 2021, 14:13:08 UTC - in response to Message 2072991.  

Technology in many respects has made our lives easier.
Unfortunately, it will always have a major flaw - human error.
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Message 2073017 - Posted: 10 Apr 2021, 14:52:38 UTC - in response to Message 2073014.  

Technology in many respects has made our lives easier.
Unfortunately, it will always have a major flaw - human error.

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