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Message 2065222 - Posted: 8 Jan 2021, 15:05:38 UTC - in response to Message 2065194.  

That $2.5 Billion is quite a "buy yourself out of jail" card!

Almost pocket change, they have over $10 Billion in cash out of their over $100 Billion in assets.
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Message 2065234 - Posted: 8 Jan 2021, 17:10:39 UTC - in response to Message 2065222.  

That $2.5 Billion is quite a "buy yourself out of jail" card!

Almost pocket change, they have over $10 Billion in cash out of their over $100 Billion in assets.

But several sources estimate that this could be the most expensive blunder ever, The Deepwater Horizon costs were estimated to be $86 Billion.
That's quite a chunk out of its assets.
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Message 2065291 - Posted: 9 Jan 2021, 13:12:00 UTC - in response to Message 2065234.  

That $2.5 Billion is quite a "buy yourself out of jail" card!

Almost pocket change, they have over $10 Billion in cash out of their over $100 Billion in assets.

But several sources estimate that this could be the most expensive blunder ever, The Deepwater Horizon costs were estimated to be $86 Billion.
That's quite a chunk out of its assets.

That is quite some estimate and quite an unimaginable cost if really greater than $86 000 Million!


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Message 2065293 - Posted: 9 Jan 2021, 13:21:28 UTC

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Message 2065296 - Posted: 9 Jan 2021, 13:36:46 UTC - in response to Message 2065293.  
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Boeing 737 missing

Oh no... Oh dear...

... The aircraft which appears to have been lost off Indonesia was a Boeing 737, but it should not be confused with the much more modern 737 Max - which was grounded following two tragic accidents in 2018 and 2019, including one off the coast of Indonesia.

The Sriwijaya Air flight appears to have been carried out by a Boeing 737-500. This plane formed part of the 737 Classic series, the second generation of 737, which was built during the 1980s and 1990s...


Another one to watch as to how and why.

Old outdated cockpit factors? Maintenance? Old design confusing modern day pilots?

Just for one old wild factor: Does the 737 Classic risk the same 'uncontrollable force the flight trim to destruction' wiring failure risk as installed in the 737 NG and as installed in the unmodified 737 MAX? (The wiring deadly fault is one that was discovered after the deadly MCAS failures and is separate from MCAS.)


At least this latest crash is accessible to allow investigation so as to learn to not to fail in that way (yet?) again...

Condolences to all those to have lost loved ones.
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Message 2065309 - Posted: 9 Jan 2021, 15:51:23 UTC - in response to Message 2065296.  

Boeing 737 missing

Oh no... Oh dear...

Another one to watch as to how and why.

Old outdated cockpit factors? Maintenance? Old design confusing modern day pilots?
Let the speculation begin ...
26 year old aircraft, operated in a coastal salt environment, hey, Aloha Airlines Flight 243? or wing spar? or Pan Am Flight 103
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Message 2065549 - Posted: 12 Jan 2021, 12:32:09 UTC

Current status - it was out of service for nine months, was recently returned to service after an inspection, has flown "trouble-free" since that inspection, summat broke and it crashed. No idea yet as to what summat was
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55628294
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Message 2066087 - Posted: 19 Jan 2021, 12:23:01 UTC

Boeing 737 Max could fly in Europe this summer after EU approval
European safety agency follows US and Brazil in saying it will allow aircraft to return

Patrick Ky, the executive director of the European Union Aviation Safety Agency, said on Tuesday it would publish an updated airworthiness directive next week, following in the footsteps of regulators in the US and Brazil.
The 737 Max will be able to return to service as soon as Boeing has updated software and rewired some components, and airlines have trained their pilots in the changes. Ky said the version of the 737 Max bought by Irish airline Ryanair will be certified “in the coming weeks”, meaning it will probably be ready for service by summer.
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Message 2066119 - Posted: 19 Jan 2021, 18:10:40 UTC

Not Boeing related, but it is the same industry.
Wonder what such an investigation would produce for Boeing?
How to investigate 60M documents
Doubt very much that the U.S. would permit such an investigation.
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Message 2066305 - Posted: 21 Jan 2021, 23:28:17 UTC
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Really?!...

Would you trust your life to this leader of the FAA?...

Judge for yourselves:


Judge Says FAA Chief Helped Delta Air Lines Retaliate Against Pilot Who Raised Pilot Safety Concerns
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A Judge ruled {that} the head of the FAA, Steve Dickson, helped Delta Air Lines retaliate against a pilot who raised safety concerns while he was an executive with the airline...



Who would you trust with your life?...

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Message 2066787 - Posted: 25 Jan 2021, 23:59:56 UTC

And as we have all been following:


Boeing 737 Max cleared to fly again 'too early'
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A former senior manager at Boeing's 737 plant in Seattle has raised new concerns over the safety of the company's 737 Max.

The aircraft, which was grounded after two accidents in which 346 people died, has already been cleared to resume flights in North America and Brazil, and is expected to gain approval in Europe this week.

But in a new report, Ed Pierson claims that further investigation of electrical issues and production quality problems at the 737 factory is badly needed.

Regulators in the US and Europe insist their reviews have been thorough, and that the 737 Max aircraft is now safe.

In his report, Mr Pierson claims that regulators and investigators have largely ignored factors, which he believes, may have played a direct role in the accidents...

I still wonder about the same or similar possibly potentially fatal wiring on the presently flying Boeing 737 NG aircraft... Strangely, that topic is not in the news...


Political pressure and greedy profit come first?...

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Message 2066860 - Posted: 26 Jan 2021, 19:06:34 UTC - in response to Message 2066787.  

And as we have all been following:


Boeing 737 Max cleared to fly again 'too early'
[...]

And here's an updated good summary of the last nearly two years:

'Boeing played Russian Roulette with people's lives'
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... doubts persist. In its final report, the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee stated that:

“... producing a compliant aircraft that proved unsafe should have been an immediate wake-up call to both Boeing and the FAA that the current regulatory system… is broken.

“Unfortunately serious questions remain as to whether Boeing and the FAA have fully and correctly learned the lessons behind the Max failures.”

Critics of Mr Calhoun, who has been a director of Boeing for more than a decade, say he is the wrong man to lead a far-reaching cultural change at the company. They claim he is tainted by the failures of the past...




Political pressure and greedy profit come first?...


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Message 2068297 - Posted: 13 Feb 2021, 1:54:34 UTC - in response to Message 2065549.  
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Current status - it was out of service for nine months, was recently returned to service after an inspection, has flown "trouble-free" since that inspection, summat broke and it crashed. No idea yet as to what summat was
Indonesia crash: Sriwijaya Air plane's flight data recorder retrieved

Here's a good concise update from Blancolirio:

Sriwijaya SJ-182 KNKT Preliminary Report 12 Feb 2021


That is sounding like quite a deadly "Ouch!"...

Really?! The autopilot will hang on to the very bitter end without any warnings and suddenly, "SURPRISE YOU!", it will abandon an already stalled aircraft onto the pilots to perform a deadly miracle get-out-of-that??!!

All backed up with strong Marketing at greedy ignorant customer managers with the sales message that supposedly the aircraft efficiently flies itself?... No pilot training needed?...

That ain't no way to design and implement aircraft systems...


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Message 2068687 - Posted: 18 Feb 2021, 18:44:37 UTC

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Message 2068707 - Posted: 18 Feb 2021, 23:09:49 UTC - in response to Message 2068687.  
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Bilge Barriers

Thanks for that.

And that is for the 787 after how long!!!


Meanwhile, Boeing is outsourcing out to abroad the production of the tail fin for the 737:

Boeing Set To Launch Indian 737 Tail Production
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Boeing is launching a new vertical tail fin production facility in the state of Telangana, India. The facility is a joint-venture with Tata Advanced Systems...



Are there any parallels for that to how the Boeing 737 Max software was outsourced for the deadly MCAS?...

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Message 2068710 - Posted: 18 Feb 2021, 23:59:00 UTC - in response to Message 2068707.  

I was under the impression that all of the 787 parts were outsourced, probably to the lowest bidder and that Boeing assemble the parts using shims etc. to ensure the parts look like they are fitted together.
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Message 2068739 - Posted: 19 Feb 2021, 5:10:37 UTC - in response to Message 2068710.  

I was under the impression that all of the 787 parts were outsourced, probably to the lowest bidder and that Boeing assemble the parts using shims etc. to ensure the parts look like they are fitted together.

If you have ever see a train of airplanes, you know it is true.
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Message 2068883 - Posted: 20 Feb 2021, 22:59:48 UTC
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May not strictly belong here but its a Boeing 777. US plane scatters engine debris over Denver homes

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Message 2068890 - Posted: 21 Feb 2021, 1:20:44 UTC - in response to Message 2068883.  

Ouch!!

That ain't supposed to happen. Even for any catastrophic failure: The shrapnel should always remain contained...


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Message 2068896 - Posted: 21 Feb 2021, 2:01:54 UTC - in response to Message 2068890.  
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United Airlines Flight 328 experienced “a right-engine failure” shortly after takeoff from Denver, the F.A.A. said on Saturday.Credit...Hayden Smith


Twitter - Engine on fire

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