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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24905 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Until the next 737-Max falls out of the sky. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30927 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Really all just a game to humor the FAA and Boeing towards something a little less deadly? Profit first, profit last, profit forever. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/1977/09/pinto-madness/ Fiduciary duty to the shareholder, if the cost of fixing it is more than the cost of the lawsuits, don't fix it. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20975 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Boeing is curiously keeping very quiet in the news recently... All overshadowed by Coronavirus and Trumped by the ongoing Trumpisms?... Briefly: Proposed US fix for Boeing 737 Max software woes does not address Ethiopian crash scenario, UK pilot union warns wrote: The British Airline Pilots' Association (BALPA) has told American aviation regulators that the Boeing 737 Max needs better fixes for its infamous MCAS software, warning that a plane crash which killed 149 people could happen again... Pilot unions, crash families seek changes to Boeing 737 MAX training wrote: Pilot unions and families of those killed in a crash of Boeing’s 737 MAX are asking for revisions to proposed new training for the grounded jetliner. Boeing 737 MAX judged safe to fly by Europe’s aviation regulator wrote: Europe’s top aviation regulator said he’s satisfied that changes to Boeing’s 737 Max have made the plane safe enough to return to the region’s skies before 2020 is out, even as a further upgrade his agency demanded won’t be ready for up to two years... All on a wobbly wing and a prayer all in hope of 'nothing going wrong'? Stay safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19310 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
U.S. ends Boeing 737 MAX flight ban after crash probes WASHINGTON/SEATTLE (Reuters) - Boeing Co won approval on Wednesday from the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration to fly its 737 MAX jet again after two fatal crashes that triggered two years of regulatory scrutiny and corporate upheaval. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24905 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
“We have implemented a series of meaningful changes to strengthen the safety practices and culture of our company,” Dave Calhoun told employees in a letter.Does that include a rigorous drug policy? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20975 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
From my personal uneducated most ignorant and humbly inadequate understanding... Now we have, IIRC, for the required training for the newly revamped B737-
See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30927 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Remember millions of eyeballs have looked at the flight laws, there can't be any flaws in them. Memory items only go so far. After all when the top of you cabin rips off at altitude from a metal corrosion, you need a two hour long checklist to read and work through all possibilities before you know you are screwed. Aviate, Navigate, and Communicate = fly the plane first, don't run into a mountain, then consider getting out a checklist Or for car people on the high speed vehicle roadway a tire blows, so find the owners manual and look in the table of contents and the index for the procedure to follow. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22445 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
I think you overstate some of the steps. There are about 8 memory items, but most only apply to one situation. For example "engine fire", which is one memory item, runaway stabiliser trim is another, different, memory item. Each of these items is only a small number of steps to enable you to get the aircraft into control, and not all of the steps take immediate effect - for example turning the auto-throttle switch off will stop the throttles moving, allowing the flight crew to take control of the throttles without the auto-throttle then pushing them back to where they were (One, my ask why this is the case - many years ago there was an incident in which an aircraft flying on auto throttle had one throttle closed accidentally and the flight crew didn't notice until they got into a bad situation with the aircraft crabbing....). It is also worth knowing that a number of these memory items all start with the same step "Turn the auto-pilot OFF" and monitor the situation for a short period of time, allowing the flight crew a few seconds to better understand what's wrong and which of the memory items to continue with. For example turning the auto pilot off in the case of runaway trim may stop the runaway trim because that system was the root, but if the trim wheels continue spinning turn auto-trim off and do it manually. In (almost) all the memory items the final line can be translated as "Leave everything OFF that you've turned OFF and fly the plane manually, then when you get to the ground (either by finishing the flight, diverting, or returning) report the fault and hand the plane over to engineering to investigate and cure. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22445 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Not so much a reply, more additional information, which may shed some light on the comments made by Martin & I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhSVtLXtIrw Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24905 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Says it all really! Mr Pierson says he told the head of the 737 programme, Scott Campbell, that he had seen operations in the military shut down over less substantial safety issues.$$$-Russian Roulette-$$$ |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30927 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Says it all really! https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a6700/top-automotive-engineering-failures-ford-pinto-fuel-tanks/ The tale of the Pinto is burned deep into American pop culture at this point: Company builds car, car has terrible problem, company ignores it, people die. It's a bit more complicated than that, though. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22445 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
EASA has now published its requirements to allow the b737 MAX to return to the skies: https://mentourpilot.com/max-easa-list-of-required-changes-published/?fbclid=IwAR1pdgYwT7mG8bx5ySyZp-3lJJ5QeqhzHKmh5mYNJQLVLRGbuuYG4ddla1E In the main they are essentially the same as those required by the FAA with a few detailed variations. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24905 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I bet the Boeing board are praying that the coronavirus vaccines are highly effective, if not... |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30927 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I bet the Boeing board are praying that the coronavirus vaccines are highly effective, if not...They won't put seats in and just cargo rails. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19310 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
I bet the Boeing board are praying that the coronavirus vaccines are highly effective, if not...They won't put seats in and just cargo rails. More like, not doing any internal fitting, as the airlines want delivery delayed. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30927 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Self loading cargo carriers want delays, the forklift cargo carriers not so much.I bet the Boeing board are praying that the coronavirus vaccines are highly effective, if not...They won't put seats in and just cargo rails. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19310 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Boeing's upgraded 737 MAX completes first flight with media onboard DALLAS (Reuters) - Boeing Co’s 737 MAX staged its first post-grounding flight with media on board on Wednesday, as carriers seek to demonstrate to passengers that the redesigned jet is safe after a 20-month safety ban. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19310 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Boeing 737 Max back in air 2 years after grounded by crashes RIO DE JANEIRO (AP) — Commercial flights with Boeing 737 Max jetliners resumed Wednesday for the first time since they were grounded worldwide following two deadly accidents nearly two years ago. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20975 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Boeing hits the safety news again: US aviation regulator issues safety bulletins over flaws in software updates for Boeing 747, 777, 787 airliners wrote: Autothrottle [uncommanded] cuts [engines] to idle and flight computers fail after latest updates, warns FAA Having the flight controls do unexpected things during the critical seconds of landing/takeoff sounds very unhealthy to me, even if only for increasing the risk of heart failure and grey hairs for the pilots' stress levels... One comment sums up the latest Boeing software glitch aptly for an all-too-likely real life scenario: https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2020/12/16/boeing_software_updates_faa_warning/#c_4165387 wrote: ... In this case, it was poor design, poor training and/or unintended consequences. Here's hoping that passengers and crew don't hit the ground too hard this time round. All in our deadly greedy world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24905 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Their executives don't care. With over 6 billion peasants on the planet, nobody will miss a few but they will miss their bonuses. |
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