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rob smith ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22735 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 ![]() ![]() |
engine bleed air, bypass air engine bleed air is taken from within the engine compressor, between a pair of compressor stages and used to supply air to the cabin - it never enters the combustion stage of the engine, thus may be said to bypass it, but is never used to provide thrust. "True" bypass air is that which is pushed b the fan around the engine core, never being compressed and not used to supply the cabin, on a modern engine like the CFM56 family the majority of the engine thrust comes from this air. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
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Indeed so... But also note: Aerotoxic syndrome wrote: Engine bearing seals are installed to ensure that critical engine bearings are continuously lubricated, and to prevent engine oil from leaking into the compressed air stream. Engine seals will leak a small amount of oil as a function of the seal design. This is known as the permissible oil leak rate. Fly safe and healthy?? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
rob smith ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22735 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 ![]() ![]() |
The "good old" HS146 was infamous for this rather indelicate aroma that would percolate into the cabin shortly after take-off. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1495 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
Both Airbus and Boeing moved to using electrically powered aircon, for much cleaner air, for their later aircraft.As far as I know, it was just Boeing which abstained from using bleed air with the 787. Airbus did not take the risk to replace a well-tried pneumatic system with an all-electric one for the A350. Boeing did, which later led to serious problems that delayed type certification and deliveries. |
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Undoubtedly Boeing's fault for not having full self flying beta. https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/476745 |
W-K 666 ![]() Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19585 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 ![]() ![]() |
Undoubtedly Boeing's fault for not having full self flying beta. Blancolirio - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWoOx4MqG4g at 3:30 |
Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1495 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
737 Max aren't equipped with roo bars in front of gears? That's willful negligence... |
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Not just Spirit AeroSystems Holdings, Inc. ... https://aviationa2z.com/index.php/2025/03/13/over-500-boeing-787-with-faulty-parts-cleared-audits/ |
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Not just Spirit AeroSystems Holdings, Inc. ... https://aviationa2z.com/index.php/2025/03/13/over-500-boeing-787-with-faulty-parts-cleared-audits/ Thanks for that... Another ouch! So... From my reading... Fraudulently faulty parts made, tick-box certification with no physical checks, those parts used on over 477 of the the Boeing 787, possibly more to be found... The fraudulent parts are used to hold the cabin floor in place and may well fail with a heavy landing... ... In ya go in through the passenger doors... Out ya come spaghettified out through the cargo door... Fly safe? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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Fraudulently faulty parts made, tick-box certification with no physical checksIsn't the fiduciary duty to the shareholder to make the most money ANY way wonderful? |
Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1495 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
The question is... Whose shareholders benefit from fraudulently faulty parts? Seems it's not Boeing's shareholders.Fraudulently faulty parts made, tick-box certification with no physical checksIsn't the fiduciary duty to the shareholder to make the most money ANY way wonderful? Believe the paperwork of certification... [...] None of these audits included physical inspection of the floor fittings, which serve as structural elements in the aircraft.[...] |
W-K 666 ![]() Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19585 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 ![]() ![]() |
Boeing lost trust of Americans, needs strict oversight, US official says WASHINGTON/SEATTLE, March 14 (Reuters) - U.S. planemaker Boeing(BA.N) lost its way and also lost the trust of the American people after a January 2024 mid-air emergency involving a new Boeing 737 MAX and two fatal crashes in 2018 and 2019, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said Friday. |
Dr Who Fan ![]() Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3421 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 ![]() |
Boeing's Starliner future uncertain as NASA weighs next steps Fix testing to stretch into the summer. When will aerospace giant decide enough is enough? More than six months later, the future of Starliner is unclear. During the post-splashdown news conference for Crew-9, the manager of NASA's commercial crew program, Steve Stich, said that Boeing's new CEO, Kelly Ortberg, remained "committed to Starliner." However, longstanding problems dog the project. |
kittyman ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51527 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 ![]() ![]() |
You might want to find and view the following. Epic Engineering Failures and the Lessons They Teach. Season 1, Episode 25. Corporate Culture: The Boeing 737 Max. Meow. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." ![]() |
Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1495 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
Tariffs... |
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Long long ago, there was a flight "augmentation system" called LSAS... What could possibly go wrong?... China Eastern 583’s Poor Plane Design Causes Chaos In The Sky ... My reading of that story is that a faulty cockpit design tripped a dangerously fragile design and marginal flight mode, such that, at high speed high in the sky, the plane was rendered unflyable. The pilots were neither informed or trained for that eventuality... People were badly injured, some people died. That was so very nearly that all were to die on that occasion. No action was taken to fix the danger, until that is, Europe imposes their standards into the mix. Years later, we have the 'takeover' of Boeing and a deadly similar set of 'circumstances' with the Boeing 737 MCAS: “Designed by Clowns!” - How Boeing’s Mistakes Led to the 737 MAX Crashes ... And my personal understanding is that the Boeing 737 MAX is still not updated/retrofitted with a full and fully safe fix for MCAS. Fly safe? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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More recently, and yet another Boeing 737 crash with all lives lost: Vilnius DHL 737 Crash Interim Report Is this where the deadly outdated cockpit design from the 1960's kills again? Is there also the added condition to worsen the mix, in that there is a "Directive" in force, that the anti-ice must not be used for too long due to a design compromise risking damage to the engine cowlings?... Is there a problem of that extra pilot workload applicable here? Fly safe?? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1495 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
Is this where the deadly outdated cockpit design from the 1960's kills again?Swiftair (on behalf of DHL) 737-400 at Vilnius on Nov 25 2024 was an old 'classic' 737 converted freighter where a pilot apparently confused the antifreeze switch with the one for a hydraulics system next to it. The unintentional flaps-up approach due to the accidentally deactivated hydraulics led to the crash landing. Is there also the added condition to worsen the mix, in that there is a "Directive" in force, that the anti-ice must not be used for too long due to a design compromise risking damage to the engine cowlings?... Is there a problem of that extra pilot workload applicable here?Damage to the engine cowlings caused by antifreeze is relevant for the latest 737 Max only, with its engine cowlings made of composite materials instead of more heat-resistant aluminum. It's the reason why the type certification for the Max 10 and Max 7 is still pending. The FAA didn't dare to ground the whole Max 8 and Max 9 fleet again for this anti-ice issue; but they will supposedly order that the same changes required for Max 7 and Max 10 have to be done on all Max 8 and 9 also later on. |
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There is a base rule for all aircraft. Say out loud what change you want to make. Make the change. Verify the change happened. Say the indication. So say "gear down" flip the gear switch verify the three green lights say three green. Say "Flaps Five" move the lever to the five detent verify the talk-back says five announce flaps five When you violate this rule, you are likely to crash. |
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There is a base rule for all aircraft. Say out loud what change you want to make. Make the change. Verify the change happened. Say the indication. ... Except... What happens when the cockpit is so old and archaic and out of date with modern day traffic congested hasty rushed operations, that the operating checklists and procedures are too long and too manual to allow any pause for thought for what the hell is happening?... The primary 'distraction' for that crash appears to be the difficulties of changing radio frequencies to follow the two radio frequencies used by the Air Traffic Control. Has that currently flying 737 not got multiple radio sets? Or at least multiple presets? Why oh why no automated ADSB coordinated contact between ATC and the pilots?? From that on-going radio distraction, everything else was an awful hasty rush... Is the real problem that there simply is too much to do for the 737 pilots to safely do everything required for that old 737 cockpit? Fly safe?? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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