Boeing: Profits 1st, Safety 2nd? (Part 3)

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Message 2142414 - Posted: 25 Oct 2024, 11:27:18 UTC - in response to Message 2142410.  

Does Airbus have the cash to buy them out of bankruptcy court?
Any sane cartel office in the US or Europe must be obliged to prevent that. The duopoly without Boeing becomes a monopoly. I am convinced that no airline on earth ever want to experience such a "market".

I doubt the Chinese or the Russians can change this situation within the next two decades. Comac in the beginning seems to aim at the Chinese domestic market. Their C919 is too small to compete with Boeing or Airbus in the medium ranges (e.g. transcontinental/transatlantic) (737 Max 9/10, A321neo XL, XLR). Russia's Irkut MC-21 is nowhere to be seen and with Putin's warmongering, I doubt that will ever change.
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Message 2142427 - Posted: 25 Oct 2024, 18:43:05 UTC

Looks like some breakup of Boeing is on the cards.

Boeing Exploring Sale of Its Space Business, WSJ Reports
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Message 2142573 - Posted: 30 Oct 2024, 22:12:57 UTC
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Read into this whatever scenarios...?

Email from Boeing to Ethiopian Airlines Sheds Light on a Tragic Crash


My personal uneducated reading of that is that Boeing refused to give any meaningful or useful answers that could well have avoided the second planefull of Boeing 737 MCAS murders...


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Message 2143715 - Posted: 6 Dec 2024, 3:13:46 UTC

Boeing plea deal tied to fatal crashes rejected
A Boeing plea deal intended to resolve a case related to two fatal crashes of its planes has been rejected by a US judge.
The plane maker agreed with the US government in July to plead guilty to one count of criminal fraud, face independent monitoring, and pay a $243m (£191m) fine.
However, Judge Reed O'Connor struck down the agreement on Thursday, saying it undermined the court and that diversity requirements for hiring the monitor were "contradictory".
Family members of the 346 people killed in the crashes welcomed the ruling, describing the plea deal as a "get-out-of-jail-free card for Boeing".
The Department of Justice said it was reviewing the decision. Boeing did not immediately comment.
In his decision, Judge O'Connor said the government's previous years of overseeing the firm had "failed".
"At this point, the public interest requires the Court to step in," he wrote.
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Message 2143719 - Posted: 6 Dec 2024, 5:30:27 UTC - in response to Message 2143715.  

"At this point, the public interest requires the Court to step in," he wrote.
Judicial activism. That will only fly in the 9th circuit.
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Message 2143850 - Posted: 10 Dec 2024, 8:44:35 UTC

Boeing lays off another 400 WA workers in second round of cuts

That’s in addition to the 2,199 layoff notices Boeing delivered to Washington workers last month, bringing the total number of job cuts in the state to nearly 2,600.

The layoffs are part of a sweeping reduction in force at Boeing, which said in October it planned to trim its workforce by 10% in the coming months. With 170,000 employees, that would equal about 17,000 jobs. The 10% reduction will include attrition and only filling open positions for business-critical priorities, Boeing said.

When announcing the sweeping layoffs in October, CEO Kelly Ortberg told employees the business was in a “difficult position” and had to “make structural changes to ensure we can stay competitive.”
While Boeing lays off thousands of its employees, airlines worldwide urgently wait for an increased production of Boeing 737 Max as the market demands thousands of new single aisle aircraft. Airbus can't increase production as well and has a backlog in orders of at least five years.
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Message 2143892 - Posted: 11 Dec 2024, 17:37:32 UTC - in response to Message 2143850.  

Hire and fire...

And then rehire but ooops... Where goes the essential special knowledge for doing the job safely, and to a good standard??...


Note how the Bosses have no clue of what the real world job is...

Perhaps a safety requirement is that they spend a week truly doing the job directly themselves... Ofcourse, supervised by those they are about to fire...


All in a deadly greedy 'game' of profitably gambling the lives of others?...
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Message 2143901 - Posted: 11 Dec 2024, 20:36:17 UTC - in response to Message 2143892.  

Note how the Bosses have no clue of what the real world job is...
They know. But this company is literally bleeding money. There is no alternative at the moment.

Saving Boeing is the hardest job and biggest opportunity in business

With jet production now constrained by regulators and Boeing bleeding more than $4 billion in cash every three months [...]

[CEO] Ortberg must close the $8 billion acquisition of troubled supplier Spirit AeroSystems [...]
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Message 2144154 - Posted: 18 Dec 2024, 1:40:33 UTC
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Going back to the source of the resulting consequences, we have this updated brief summary:


"Designed by Clowns!" - How Boeing’s Mistakes Led to the 737 MAX Crashes!


That is a very well put together brief summary.

Note that one of the key factors was the multiple attempts by Boeing to avoid any new training for the pilots...

So... What next?


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Message 2144179 - Posted: 18 Dec 2024, 14:16:41 UTC
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And here is an ongoing reminder of the background to some unsafe Management flying their planes off the end of the Boeing production lines:


Boeing Whistleblower: Faulty Parts Used "Repeatedly" On Planes


Hopefully, this latest Whisleblower isn't unexpectedly found dead.


Great greed before safety?

Are you part of the unnecessary gamble for excess profits for your flying?


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Message 2144181 - Posted: 18 Dec 2024, 14:32:17 UTC - in response to Message 2144179.  

This is the 60-Minutes programme that is referenced:

Boeing whistleblowers reveal years of concerns over airplane parts | 60 Minutes


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Message 2144186 - Posted: 18 Dec 2024, 15:27:05 UTC

Maybe they're hoping to save money by doing away with pilots altogether - like this plane:

Plane takes off without pilot and flies out to sea
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Message 2144225 - Posted: 19 Dec 2024, 5:38:13 UTC - in response to Message 2144186.  

Maybe they're hoping to save money by doing away with pilots altogether - like this plane:

Plane takes off without pilot and flies out to sea

At least he didn't chop himself in his starting attempt.
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Message 2144554 - Posted: 28 Dec 2024, 18:39:01 UTC
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Boeing is very much in the news:


'It's still in shambles': Can Boeing come back from crisis?
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... Not only has it struggled to cope with a safety and quality control crisis, it has lost billions of dollars following a strike by workers that paralysed production at two of its biggest factories.

Even its space programme has been in trouble. Two astronauts were left stranded on the International Space Station in June... [And they are STILL stranded into 2025...]

... "People in Boeing don't believe in words from top management any more,"...

... Boeing's top bosses were accused by Republican Senator Josh Hawley of "strip-mining" the company for profit and cutting corners on safety in order to boost earnings...

... Since then, Boeing has appointed a new chief executive, Kelly Ortberg, who has pledged to "restore trust" in the business, overhaul its corporate culture and prioritise the safety of passengers. The company is also in the process of implementing a comprehensive safety and quality plan, which was launched earlier in the year.

But according to Mr Mohawk, who still works at Boeing, the drive to build planes as quickly as possible in order to maximise revenues remains. The accountants, he insists, are "100%" running the operation.

"Nothing has changed," says Mr Mohawk. "Our executives talk to the press and say, 'quality and safety is our number one priority'. But it's just the same."

Boeing rejects Mr Mohawk's claims...

... Arguably, the market needs Boeing to be healthy. It remains a huge company, employing more than 150,000 people directly, and countless more in supply chains around the world. It is a significant contributor to the US economy.

But some insiders argue that it now has a credibility problem...

... What had happened was deeply disturbing. A panel fitted over an unused emergency exit had not been bolted into place properly and had come away as the plane was climbing, according to the National Transportation Safety Board, which investigated the incident. The passengers were still strapped in and no one was seriously hurt. But as investigators pointed out, it could have been much [much much] worse...

... In late 2018, an aircraft went down in the sea off the coast of Indonesia. Four months later another plane crashed minutes after take-off from Addis Ababa in Ethiopia. A total of 346 people were killed.

Both accidents were ultimately blamed on a poorly designed piece of flight control software. This had been fitted to address handling quirks on the new plane, and prevent pilots, who were used to earlier versions of the 737, from needing expensive retraining. In practice, it became active at the wrong time, and forced both aircraft into catastrophic dives...

... "Attention to share price and profit margins alone has proven to be a flawed strategy."

In the aftermath of those crashes, the 737 Max was grounded for 20 months ...

... A congressional report released in September 2020 found that Boeing's rush to build new aircraft as quickly as possible while cutting costs had "jeopardised the safety of the flying public"...

... included manufacturing defects affecting parts of fuselages, tail and rudder assemblies, as well as sealants applied as protection against the effect of lightning strikes in central fuel tanks...

... whistleblowers from within both companies, who had suggested that the pressure from Boeing to produce aircraft quickly, and ramp up production, had compromised safety on both the 737 and 787 programmes. The sudden deaths of two other whistleblowers – John Barnett, who had worked in Boeing's 787 factory in South Carolina, and Josh Dean, who had been employed by Spirit – generated further headlines in 2024...

... "Boeing has put profits and speed of production ahead of quality and safety, and ultimately, that failing is at the core of its current difficulties."...

... "It was obvious to them that the old management had basically screwed them. That was the sentiment. They were absolutely disgusted with how they had been treated in the old contract," he explains. The result was a bitter dispute...

... "The hardest thing to change in large companies is the mindset of people," says Mr Fehrm. "It takes time, and it needs to be manifested in actions, doing things differently. "There are changes coming, but people won't look at what the top management under Kelly Ortberg say. They will look for actions."...




That's a long read for a sadly deadly long story...

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Message 2145309 - Posted: 17 Jan 2025, 15:32:41 UTC
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No Boeing news?

Max 10 news? ...urgently awaited... 777-8/9 news? ... also awaited by airlines to retire their old A340, B747-400...

Late last year Airbus delivered the first A321neo XLR (PAX: max 244, typical: 185, range: 4,700 mi nmi; 5,400 mi)

Icelandair, which never operated Airbus aircraft before, became an Airbus customer in July 2024 and received its first (leased) A321LR in December... What will airlines replace their aging 757s with?

Boeing news... urgently needed.
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Message 2145310 - Posted: 17 Jan 2025, 15:46:12 UTC - in response to Message 2145309.  

No Boeing news?

Max 10 news? ...urgently awaited... 777-8/9 news? ... also awaited by airlines to retire their old A340, B747-400...

Late last year Airbus delivered the first A321neo XLR (PAX: max 244, typical: 185, range: 4,700 mi)

Icelandair, which never operated Airbus aircraft before, became an Airbus customer in July 2024 and received its first (leased) A321LR in December... What will airlines replace their aging 757s with?

Boeing news... urgently needed.

Got some.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/boeing-resumes-777x-test-flights-after-grounding-august-2025-01-17/
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Message 2145473 - Posted: 21 Jan 2025, 10:49:21 UTC

This gives a rather stark insight into the production pressure at Boeing:


Back Of The Boeing Line: How Long Is The Wait To Get New Jets?


Note the radical changes to the production numbers pre and post 'incidents'...

Can such huge disparities be made up safely without the temptations of cutting corners?...

Is Boeing a too-fat leviathan that is simply no longer manageable or viable?


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Message 2145475 - Posted: 21 Jan 2025, 10:58:31 UTC - in response to Message 2144554.  

... A congressional report released in September 2020 found that Boeing's rush to build new aircraft as quickly as possible while cutting costs had "jeopardised the safety of the flying public"...

With the same Management and the same accountants and the same (unaware?) greedy Directors...

Are we chasing a financial form of madness to expect anything different?


Fly safe with that?

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Message 2145478 - Posted: 21 Jan 2025, 11:27:37 UTC - in response to Message 2145473.  
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Is Boeing a too-fat leviathan that is simply no longer manageable or viable?

Note the full meaning:

Leviathan
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... a sea serpent demon noted in theology and mythology ... The Leviathan is often an embodiment of chaos, threatening to eat the damned ... incorporates the souls of those who are too attached to material things...


A repeated meme since Biblical times...


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