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Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1281 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
Does Airbus have the cash to buy them out of bankruptcy court?Any sane cartel office in the US or Europe must be obliged to prevent that. The duopoly without Boeing becomes a monopoly. I am convinced that no airline on earth ever want to experience such a "market". I doubt the Chinese or the Russians can change this situation within the next two decades. Comac in the beginning seems to aim at the Chinese domestic market. Their C919 is too small to compete with Boeing or Airbus in the medium ranges (e.g. transcontinental/transatlantic) (737 Max 9/10, A321neo XL, XLR). Russia's Irkut MC-21 is nowhere to be seen and with Putin's warmongering, I doubt that will ever change. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19460 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Looks like some breakup of Boeing is on the cards. Boeing Exploring Sale of Its Space Business, WSJ Reports |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21421 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Read into this whatever scenarios...? Email from Boeing to Ethiopian Airlines Sheds Light on a Tragic Crash My personal uneducated reading of that is that Boeing refused to give any meaningful or useful answers that could well have avoided the second planefull of Boeing 737 MCAS murders... Fly safe with that? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19460 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Boeing plea deal tied to fatal crashes rejected A Boeing plea deal intended to resolve a case related to two fatal crashes of its planes has been rejected by a US judge. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31080 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
"At this point, the public interest requires the Court to step in," he wrote.Judicial activism. That will only fly in the 9th circuit. |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1281 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
Boeing lays off another 400 WA workers in second round of cuts That’s in addition to the 2,199 layoff notices Boeing delivered to Washington workers last month, bringing the total number of job cuts in the state to nearly 2,600.While Boeing lays off thousands of its employees, airlines worldwide urgently wait for an increased production of Boeing 737 Max as the market demands thousands of new single aisle aircraft. Airbus can't increase production as well and has a backlog in orders of at least five years. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21421 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Hire and fire... And then rehire but ooops... Where goes the essential special knowledge for doing the job safely, and to a good standard??... Note how the Bosses have no clue of what the real world job is... Perhaps a safety requirement is that they spend a week truly doing the job directly themselves... Ofcourse, supervised by those they are about to fire... All in a deadly greedy 'game' of profitably gambling the lives of others?... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1281 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
Note how the Bosses have no clue of what the real world job is...They know. But this company is literally bleeding money. There is no alternative at the moment. Saving Boeing is the hardest job and biggest opportunity in business With jet production now constrained by regulators and Boeing bleeding more than $4 billion in cash every three months [...] |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21421 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Going back to the source of the resulting consequences, we have this updated brief summary: "Designed by Clowns!" - How Boeing’s Mistakes Led to the 737 MAX Crashes! That is a very well put together brief summary. Note that one of the key factors was the multiple attempts by Boeing to avoid any new training for the pilots... So... What next? Fly safe?? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21421 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
And here is an ongoing reminder of the background to some unsafe Management flying their planes off the end of the Boeing production lines: Boeing Whistleblower: Faulty Parts Used "Repeatedly" On Planes Hopefully, this latest Whisleblower isn't unexpectedly found dead. Great greed before safety? Are you part of the unnecessary gamble for excess profits for your flying? Fly safe folks? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21421 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
This is the 60-Minutes programme that is referenced: Boeing whistleblowers reveal years of concerns over airplane parts | 60 Minutes Fly safe? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14681 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Maybe they're hoping to save money by doing away with pilots altogether - like this plane: Plane takes off without pilot and flies out to sea |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31080 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Maybe they're hoping to save money by doing away with pilots altogether - like this plane: At least he didn't chop himself in his starting attempt. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21421 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Boeing is very much in the news: 'It's still in shambles': Can Boeing come back from crisis? wrote: ... Not only has it struggled to cope with a safety and quality control crisis, it has lost billions of dollars following a strike by workers that paralysed production at two of its biggest factories. That's a long read for a sadly deadly long story... Fly safe? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1281 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
No Boeing news? Max 10 news? ...urgently awaited... 777-8/9 news? ... also awaited by airlines to retire their old A340, B747-400... Late last year Airbus delivered the first A321neo XLR (PAX: max 244, typical: 185, range: 4,700 Icelandair, which never operated Airbus aircraft before, became an Airbus customer in July 2024 and received its first (leased) A321LR in December... What will airlines replace their aging 757s with? Boeing news... urgently needed. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19460 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
No Boeing news? Got some. https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/boeing-resumes-777x-test-flights-after-grounding-august-2025-01-17/ |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21421 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
This gives a rather stark insight into the production pressure at Boeing: Back Of The Boeing Line: How Long Is The Wait To Get New Jets? Note the radical changes to the production numbers pre and post 'incidents'... Can such huge disparities be made up safely without the temptations of cutting corners?... Is Boeing a too-fat leviathan that is simply no longer manageable or viable? Fly safe? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21421 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... A congressional report released in September 2020 found that Boeing's rush to build new aircraft as quickly as possible while cutting costs had "jeopardised the safety of the flying public"... With the same Management and the same accountants and the same (unaware?) greedy Directors... Are we chasing a financial form of madness to expect anything different? Fly safe with that? Fly safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21421 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Is Boeing a too-fat leviathan that is simply no longer manageable or viable? Note the full meaning: Leviathan wrote: ... a sea serpent demon noted in theology and mythology ... The Leviathan is often an embodiment of chaos, threatening to eat the damned ... incorporates the souls of those who are too attached to material things... A repeated meme since Biblical times... Fly safe? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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