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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21209 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
More of the same from Boeing: Simple Flying - New Air Force One Presidential Boeing 747 1st Flight Delayed To 2026 Maximus Aviation - No CEO Talk But A HUGE Boeing UPDATE KLM, Southwest, Loose Bolts On 787 Huge Fraud Coverup Plus More So... Really... According to the Boeing PR people, there is no concern about flying with loose bolts or loose nuts?... Ouch?! Fly safe?? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21209 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Thanks for that... My view is that the DoJ must take action, else they and the FAA, and NTSB, all fall into complete disrepute... ... And then there is politics and whatever corruption... Fly safe with that? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31006 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Looking like Boeing is having the same issue that plagues many public companies. Labor and too many layers of hard inflexible rules. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21209 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
'Just' a 'normal' week for Boeing-in-the-news?... See: Boeing Angers Safety Officials With Disclosures on 737 Max Incident wrote: ... the National Transportation Safety Board became aware of the remarks at the briefing and rebuked the company hours before articles on the remarks were published. It said that Boeing improperly shared investigative information and speculated about the cause of the incident, adding that the company had “blatantly violated” the agency’s rules surrounding active investigations. The agency said it would provide details about that violation to the Justice Department, which is investigating the January flight. Astronauts stranded in space due to multiple issues with Boeing's Starliner — and the window for a return flight is closing wrote: NASA and Boeing engineers are troubleshooting various faults in the Starliner spacecraft. But with only 45 days of docking time available, the window for return is closing. Investigation after Ryanair Boeing 737 plunges 2,000ft in 17 seconds reaching 321mph wrote: A Ryanair Boeing 737-Max airliner is under investigation after it descended at high speed on approach to Stansted Airport last year... Boeing plane horror as jet forced to land after windscreen cracks at 40,000 ft wrote: ... The airline issued an apology to passengers affected by the disruption, and provided overnight accommodation before they completed their journey the following day... Thirteen Passengers Injured As Boeing Plane Malfunctions wrote: Thirteen passengers onboard a Korea Airlines flight to Taiwan have been taken to hospital, after their Boeing aircraft dropped more than 25,000 feet following a fault in the cabin pressurization system... A Boeing whistleblower says he saw holes being drilled incorrectly on 787 planes, adding to the chorus of people speaking up against the company wrote:
FAA Issues New Safety Directive For Boeing 757-200 Over Cracking Concerns wrote: ... Directive addresses potential in-flight depressurization... Boeing is just too big to jail wrote: Justice isn’t always blind. When it comes to levying punishments on powerful companies, the challenge is to inflict enough pain that bad behavior is deterred, but not so much that it creates unintended suffering elsewhere. Boeing (BA.N), opens new tab, an American icon in a heap of trouble, exemplifies that quandary... Fly safe with that?... Just to be fair, for the same search for Airbus for the week, I get: Engine maker's Boeing dilemma seen weighing on Airbus output revision Airbus cuts key targets and takes hefty Space charge wrote: ... took a hefty 900-million-euro ($965 million) charge for its troubled space activities as Europe's largest aerospace group sought a clean slate approach to supply disruptions and commercial risks... Airbus trims full-year delivery forecast and pushes back A320neo ramp-up schedule Airbus: Major space division problems All a very different type of headline news! My reading and personal understanding is that Boeing has indeed very much angered the NTSB! ... All in a vain attempt to shed blame?... Choose to fly safe? Happy flying! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22528 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Window cracks are far more common than one would really like. They affect all makers and all types of "heavy" aircraft. They are most often associated with impact damage near a corner, which some time later rapidly propagate, frequently after a change in altitude and thus temperature (either increase or decrease). Detailed inspection is very difficult to do when the aircraft is on the ground but not in a service hanger so tends not to be done on a daily basis but after so many hours/flights. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21209 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Yes, thanks, agreed, and the windows are multi-layer so that a depressurization shouldn't occur... So... That is the one headline out of those eight. What of the others for Boeing?... Fly safe???... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21209 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Read into this what you might: NASA orders more tests on Starliner, but says crew isn’t stranded in space wrote: ... Two NASA astronauts, commander Butch Wilmore and pilot Suni Williams, will spend at least a few more weeks on the space station as engineers on the ground conduct thruster tests to better understand issues with the Starliner propulsion system... Echoes of MCAS? Fly safe?? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31006 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
nay, the failed part(s) don't come back so they can't put them under a microscope in a lab, hence run every test and diagnostic and anything any madman can dream up until you run out of time, and pray in some of that data there is a hint of what went wrong or where. That's NASA SOP. Squeeze every bit out. It wouldn't surprise me to hear that the wrong parts got into the go bin. Say a sealant intended for ground tests goes up and not the sealant intended for actual flight. Just a bad single pair of eyeballs misreading a part number or serial number, unless done maliciously. <ed> Like drill holes on Soyuz. |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1185 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
Boeing Angers Safety Officials With Disclosures on 737 Max IncidentBoeing also once knew how to build the best airplanes. Both probably depended on experienced employees who are no longer there. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31006 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36776 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
The cost of letting penny pinching bean counters run a company keeps on climbing as a deadline from the DOJ fast approaches. Boeing to Buy Major Supplier in Outsourcing Reversal. Hours after news broke that the US Justice Department plans to charge Boeing with criminal fraud for violating a 2021 deferred-prosecution agreement, Boeing announced a $4.7 billion plan to buy back Spirit AeroSystems, a major fuselage supplier it sold two decades ago. |
Scrooge McDuck Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1185 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 |
Oh, that puts Airbus under pressure as well. Spirit builds many components for Airbus, especially for the A350 and A220, formerly the Bombardier C-Series. Other aircraft manufacturers depend on Spirit too. Airbus agreed with Spirit to take over four Spirit factories. I still don't understand why Spirit has to pay Airbus $559 million for this "aquisition": Airbus enters agreement with Spirit AeroSystems Airbus SE [...] has entered into a binding term sheet agreement with Spirit AeroSystems in relation to a potential acquisition of major activities related to Airbus, notably the production of A350 fuselage sections in Kinston, North Carolina, U.S., and St. Nazaire, France; of the A220’s wings and mid-fuselage in Belfast, Northern Ireland, and Casablanca, Morocco; as well as of the A220 pylons in Wichita, Kansas, U.S. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19399 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Boeing to plead guilty to criminal fraud charge BBC News, New York, 8 July 2024, 05:15 BST |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31006 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36776 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36776 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
No profits to be had. Boeing Suffers $1.4 Billion Loss in "Challenging" Quarter. Boeing has struggled to find its footing in the second quarter, with low deliveries and "supply chain constraints" taking their toll on the company's top and bottom lines. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19399 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
NTSB to start two day hearing about the Door Plug blowout, today, Tuesday. Witnesses will tell a federal safety board about the blowout on a Boeing 737 Max earlier this year Investigators will question Boeing officials during a hearing starting Tuesday about the midflight blowout of a panel from a 737 Max, an accident that further tarnished the company’s safety reputation and left it facing new legal jeopardy. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21209 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Unbelievable?... Maximus Aviation - ... NASA Asks SpaceX For Help. NASA/Boeing CAN NOT RISK Crew To Save Face! Maximus Aviation - NASA WARNS! Unmanned Starliner Could DESTROY The ISS. It Was NEVER Programed For Automatic Flight AA - NASA has been hiding a shocking secret about Starliner! How did this happen?? Ouch? Really? Is Boeing's Starliner return going to be another Boeing 'gamble'?... Greedy profit is to triumph over good safety? Fly safe? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3343 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 |
If I was one of the astronauts "stuck" on the ISS I certainly would not want a ride back on that ticking time bomb space capsule. Elon Musk will have to send a Dragon Spaceship to retrieve them. Boeing at one time had great and reliable products. Mismanagement and Greed set in and the rest is history. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21209 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
And thus! Lo!! Behold!!! Boeing is to redesign the Plug Door... AND retrofit them on all planes using them... See, hear: Simple Flying - Boeing Will Redesign 737 MAX Door Plug To Prevent Another Blowout Is that all carefully profitably timed to be after the life threatening event yet before the NTSB can report?... Fly safe?? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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