Boeing: Profits 1st, Safety 2nd? (Part 3)

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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30933 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32	Message 2134181 - Posted: 23 Mar 2024, 6:19:04 UTC Apollo 1 all over again? https://gizmodo.com/boeing-starliner-astronaut-flight-flammable-tape-nasa-1851359764 The second concern involved hundreds of feet of protective tape used to cover the wiring harnesses inside the Starliner vehicle, which was discovered to be flammable. We’ve removed nearly a mile of tape from the vehicle, and mitigated about 85 to 90 percent of the areas that the tape is installed on the vehicle. ID: 2134181 · Reply Quote

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21017 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20	Message 2134188 - Posted: 23 Mar 2024, 14:07:00 UTC - in response to Message 2134181. ... Yes, very much so... So, how does Boeing argue the safety of the remaining 10 or 15 percent of flammable tape that has been left in place?... And in more recent news for Boeing: ... FAA Warns Of New Dangerous Max Defect! Yet another "uncontrolled flight" hazard for the pilots that have to guard against far too many other Boeing failures... For this latest failure to occur at low altitude would mean that the pilots have no time to save the plane! And what of the paying passengers? Fly safe? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 2134188 · Reply Quote

Dr Who Fan Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3318 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4	Message 2134197 - Posted: 23 Mar 2024, 20:36:04 UTC This could of turned out much worse. Sloppy repairs ... NTSB finds incorrectly ‘swapped’ brake lines on American 737-800 that overran runway in February Federal investigators have cited improper brake maintenance as a factor related to a 10 February runway overrun involving an American Airlines Boeing 737-800 at Dallas Fort Worth International airport. After touching down, the 737’s auto-brake system failed, forcing the pilots to apply maximum manual braking, but not in time to keep the jet from exiting the runway threshold, according to a preliminary National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) report released on 21 March. “American 1632, total brake failure. We are departing the end of runway 17L. Roll crash fire rescue,” the jet’s captain radioed the airport tower as he tried to slow the aircraft after landing, says the report. The 737 stopped on the paved “overrun” area of the runway. None of the 98 passengers and six crew aboard suffered injuries. ... “The flexible hydraulic lines supplying pressure to the [right inboard] and [right outboard] brakes had been swapped at the connection with the flow limiters.” says the report. The left main landing gear also had a problem involving an incorrectly installed wiring harness, the report adds. “The electrical connector for the [left outboard] and the [left inboard] wheel speed transducer were swapped." ID: 2134197 · Reply Quote

W-K 666 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19317 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67	Message 2134240 - Posted: 25 Mar 2024, 12:30:53 UTC Breaking news at NYT. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/business/boeing-ceo-steps-down.html Boeing C.E.O. to Step Down in Major Reshuffle at Embattled Plane Maker Boeing announced Monday that its chief executive, David Calhoun, would step down at the end of 2024 as part of a broad management shake-up, as the aircraft maker grapples with its most significant safety crisis in years. Stan Deal, the head of commercial airplanes division, will retire immediately and will be replaced by Stephanie Pope, the company’s chief operating officer. The company also announced that its chairman, Larry Kellner, would not stand for re-election. The management overhaul comes less than three months after a panel, known as a door plug, blew off a Boeing Max 9 during an Alaska Airlines flight on Jan. 5. The incident plunged the company into crisis five years after crashes in 2018 and 2019 of its Max 8 planes that killed nearly 350 people. The Alaska incident renewed questions about the safety of Max planes and Boeing’s commitment to quality. Airline chief executives publicly expressed frustration with the manufacturer. The Federal Aviation Administration, which regulates the plane maker, grounded similar planes across the United States. When it cleared the planes to fly again, it also imposed limits on Boeing’s planned production increase of Max planes, foiling the company’s latest attempt to compete with its European rival Airbus. ID: 2134240 · Reply Quote

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21017 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20	Message 2134274 - Posted: 26 Mar 2024, 13:54:07 UTC - in response to Message 2134240. Stephen Colbert has a few things to say about that: ... Boeing... Enjoy? Fly safe?? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 2134274 · Reply Quote

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21017 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20	Message 2134319 - Posted: 27 Mar 2024, 16:55:55 UTC What?... Yet MORE safety concerns concerning Boeing aircraft!! See, hear: The Anti-Ice System Issues Plaguing The Boeing 737 MAX & 787 Dreamliner wrote: The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has ordered Boeing to fix a design flaw on the 737 MAX ... could disable the engine's anti-icing system without the pilots' knowledge... Yet another single-point-of-failure and a wiring fault that Boeing appear to be completely unconcerned about... And even further unconcerned for the (deadly) consequences...? Fly safe?? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 2134319 · Reply Quote

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21017 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20	Message 2134349 - Posted: 28 Mar 2024, 17:03:28 UTC Another summary of Boeing: See, hear: A Decade of Lies, Coverups, and Disasters at Boeing wrote: Over the past half decade it seems that the once venerable aviation giant Boeing has fallen into a state of apathy typically reserved for industries in autocratic corrupt regimes. Disaster after disaster has occurred all because a company wanted to save a quick buck. and now... ... And there are Consequences beyond Boeing: Airbus Unhappy With Boeing wrote: Airbus has expressed its frustrations with Boeing over persistent issues plaguing the manufacturer. Airbus says these problems affect the broader industry, and a healthier Boeing is better for everyone... Fly safe? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 2134349 · Reply Quote

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21017 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20	Message 2134385 - Posted: 29 Mar 2024, 19:14:19 UTC Boeing very much in the news: These are very sage words from: Capt. ‘Sully’ on Boeing’s aviation safety: ‘They have lost their way’ Whoever would have guessed this turnaround?! Ryanair CEO: "I Would Like To Have A Bigger Number Of Airbus Aircraft” Leading to: Ryanair CEO's Rebuke Of Boeing Was The LAST STRAW That Led Boeing To Finally Make Leadership Changes Yet... Will any of the Boeing Board members get to see jail time?... Fly safe? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 2134385 · Reply Quote

rob smith Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22456 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380	Message 2134390 - Posted: 29 Mar 2024, 20:26:42 UTC - in response to Message 2134385. Ryanair CEO: "I Would Like To Have A Bigger Number Of Airbus Aircraft” Given that RyanAir are a "Boeing only" fleet that's a really big statement. (RyanAir have a few ATR for some of their small puddle jumping services.) Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? ID: 2134390 · Reply Quote

rob smith Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22456 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380	Message 2134539 - Posted: 4 Apr 2024, 20:59:09 UTC Not only are Boeing facing the internal costs of recent events they are now having to pay money to their customers as a direct result of Boeing's "care less" behaviour: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68737292 Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? ID: 2134539 · Reply Quote

Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30933 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32	Message 2134638 - Posted: 7 Apr 2024, 18:13:49 UTC I'm sure this will be blamed on Boeing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBQkk4RcidA ID: 2134638 · Reply Quote

W-K 666 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19317 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67	Message 2134639 - Posted: 7 Apr 2024, 21:26:49 UTC - in response to Message 2134638. I'm sure this will be blamed on Boeing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBQkk4RcidA It's now being reported in the media. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68758088 ID: 2134639 · Reply Quote

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21017 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20	Message 2134640 - Posted: 7 Apr 2024, 22:34:29 UTC - in response to Message 2134639. I'm sure this will be blamed on Boeing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBQkk4RcidA It's now being reported in the media. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68758088 Indeed, such as this ain't supposed to happen... Boeing Engine Cover Rips Apart During Takeoff This Morning wrote: "... after it ripped off, the engine cowling "struck the 737-800's wing flap."... So... Where does the blame game lead for this one? What life threatening excuses?? Fly safe? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 2134640 · Reply Quote

rob smith Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22456 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380	Message 2134655 - Posted: 8 Apr 2024, 13:45:22 UTC - in response to Message 2134640. While this one is certainly down to maintenance not tightening all the fastenings after performing their job inside the cowling some sections of the media, and general public will blame Boeing. But in this case Airbus, and others, have had similar problems over the years. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? ID: 2134655 · Reply Quote

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21017 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20	Message 2134659 - Posted: 8 Apr 2024, 17:24:35 UTC - in response to Message 2134655. However... Note that the Boeing design of the engine cowling fixings on the 737 engines (and other Boeing aircraft?) have long been criticised for being too fragile and difficult to check as part of the ground checks. Also, the critical fixings are not easily visible to let the ground crew or pilots positively confirm that everything is correctly in place... A design 'weakness' waiting to kill again?... This isn't the first time these fixings have failed... When to be properly fixed and retrofitted??... Fly safe? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 2134659 · Reply Quote

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21017 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20	Message 2134660 - Posted: 8 Apr 2024, 17:34:29 UTC Last modified: 8 Apr 2024, 17:34:51 UTC Meanwhile... Report: Boeing 'Put Wall Street First, Safety Second', Creating 'Yearslong Decline of Safety Standards' wrote: ... new executive leaders "treated experienced engineers and machinists as expendable, ignoring the potential damage to Boeing's essential mission of designing and building high-quality airplanes...."... ... "Crush the workers. Share price. Share price. Share price. Financial moves and metrics come first,"... ... "For years, we prioritized the movement of the airplane through the factory over getting it done right..."... ... "Engineers who raised technical doubts were told: 'Follow the plan. If you can't do your job, I'll fire you and get someone who can.'" ... And the rest is the history needlessly killing people today. Fly safe? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 2134660 · Reply Quote

W-K 666 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19317 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67	Message 2134694 - Posted: 9 Apr 2024, 16:43:58 UTC Two pieces of Boeing news from Reuters today. FAA probing Boeing whistleblower's quality claims on 787, 777 jets Boeing deliveries drop by half in March due to increased quality checks ID: 2134694 · Reply Quote

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21017 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20	Message 2134697 - Posted: 9 Apr 2024, 22:16:13 UTC - in response to Message 2134694. Thanks for that. Scary... Here's hoping this latest whistleblower doesn't come to an untimely death... Fly safe?... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 2134697 · Reply Quote

Dr Who Fan Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3318 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4	Message 2134722 - Posted: 10 Apr 2024, 17:53:04 UTC This hit the news wires about 1 hour ago.. NTSB conducting new interviews with Boeing on 737 MAX 9 door plug probe ... NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy on Wednesday said investigators were back at the 737 plant in Renton, Washington, this week for more interviews. "We are looking at other instances where a door plug was opened and closed to make sure that those records are available," Homendy said at a U.S. Senate hearing, saying investigators want to make sure those instances were documented. ID: 2134722 · Reply Quote

ML1 Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21017 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20	Message 2134762 - Posted: 11 Apr 2024, 22:41:06 UTC More of the deadly same old old-ways: 4 Takeaways About Boeing’s Quality Problems wrote: ... Interviews with more than two dozen current and former employees reveal longstanding concerns about quality, particularly as pressure increased to keep production going in the company’s factories. Now, Boeing faces an immense challenge as it seeks to make changes that improve the quality of its products and regain its credibility... ... Quality issues date back years... ... The company has lost thousands of experienced workers... ... A six-week F.A.A. audit of Boeing’s 737 Max production documented dozens of lapses in quality-control practices... ... The company also said that since Jan. 5, employees had asked for more training and that it was working on meeting those needs... ... And on Monday, Boeing announced sweeping changes to its leadership... Boeing somehow managed to get itself into even bigger trouble... wrote: ... Boeing has achieved the unthinkable this week: It managed to fall even deeper into crisis. Adding to an already miserable start to 2024, Boeing stood accused Tuesday of routinely ignoring a whistleblower’s complaints about the allegedly critically flawed manufacturing process... Meanwhile, will any of the previous and existing 'leadership' pick up their responsibilities and be brought to book and imprisoned for their actions or lack of care and lack of concern for life?... Fly safe??? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 2134762 · Reply Quote

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