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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30935 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21019 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Italy-based Manufacturing Processes Specification (MPS) screws up 787 parts. Thanks for that. Ouch!... By 'eck!! ... The parts include fittings that ... secure the floor beam in one fuselage section, as well as other fittings, spacers, brackets, and clips within other assemblies. Nothing much then!... Other than the minor detail of structural integrity of the aircraft. I'm already prejudiced that there is management zero integrity... What else is there to be found under those multiple layers of moldy carpet? Fly safe folks? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19322 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Former chief test pilot for Boeing charged with lying about flight controls on 737 Max Mark Forkner is first Boeing employee to be charged with failures of the aircraft Boeing’s former 737 Max test pilot was indicted for allegedly lying to regulators about issues with the aircraft, which was later involved in two fatal crashes. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21019 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Thanks for that one. Picked up over here as a minor headline lost in the business section: Former Boeing 737 Max pilot charged with fraud wrote: A former chief technical pilot for Boeing has been charged with deceiving federal regulators who were evaluating the company's 737 Max plane... Fly safe folks?! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30935 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
stock options? bonus? or just food on the table? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21019 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
stock options? bonus? or just food on the table? Or a complete, utter, total, uncaring, reckless, non-belief of consequences? Psychopaths, sociopaths, or simpleton ignorance? Or deliberate 'endangerment of people' for the sake of greed?... My morals scream that there is no defense in the excuse of "blindly following orders"... Especially so in the civil/corporate world. And what of those who were creating and pushing those 'orders'...? Amazing how the charges are for "fraud" rather than murder or reckless endangerment of life... Boeing is the new Al Capone? Deadly too 'wise' (shrewd) of the regulations?... Fly safe?... Martin NB: "Orders": The giving of instructions, and also meaning the taking of sales and taking the profits of those sales orders... See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30935 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
question remains the same. why would a low level cog? stock options? bonus? or just food on the table? how was the cog bribed? |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14674 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
And another one in the same general area. Different company, different mode of travel, but the same safety question. Why? Metallurgist admits faking steel test results for US Navy subs |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21019 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Thanks for that for a bit of a weird one. Unfortunately, fraud in such inspections and test look to be too common... With dire consequences... Reminds me of: V.C. Summer Nuclear Power Station, Wolf Creek Generating Station - Reactor Coolant System Weld Issues What happened to the weld inspections?... Or is there a (management?) game of 'not looking'? All in our only one greedy world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30935 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
who wrote the quote? didn't they know we have to throw away 20 bad ones to get one good one? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21019 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... have to throw away 20 bad ones to get one good one? Surely... Their welding isn't that bad is it???!!! If so, that's a strong monetary case for spending money on continuous test to avoid wasting money later... Surely?... (Or are there to many surly management Shirlies?) All in our one greedy world... Stay safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21019 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Falling back into the world of Boeing: Boeing settles with funds that sued after 737 Max crashes wrote: Insurers for several current and former Boeing board members will pay more than $230 million to settle a lawsuit that accused the directors of failing to address safety warning signs before two of the company’s Max jetliners crashed. Boeing To Pay $2.5 Billion To Settle Fraud And Conspiracy Lawsuit Over 737 Max Jet Crashes wrote: ... Boeing has agreed to pay $2.5 billion to settle a lawsuit that accused the company of fraud and conspiracy after two crashes of 737 Max jets... Boeing board agrees to $237.5 million settlement of 737 MAX shareholder lawsuit wrote: ... Since the shareholders filed suit on behalf of the company, the insurers of the board and top executives will pay the settlement amount of $237.5 million, less the attorneys’ fees and expenses, to Boeing... Gobsmacking blatantly brazen?... So, the Boeing Directors have "insurance" so as to keep their ill-gotten-gains. Can we call that blood money? And have those Directors also bought themselves off from criminal charges??! And for something totally topsy-turvy, do I read correctly that the $237.5 million settlement against the Boeing Directors is actually paid to Boeing for their own 'supposedly assumed' failures?!! I guess some people have no conscience to stop them sleeping at night... All in our deadly greedy world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30935 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Martin, welcome to a corporation, er piece paper with words, that exists only a fiduciary duty to the shareholder. Of course they have insurance. It is included in any decent size insurance policy for any company. The shareholders demand it. So now Loyd's of London pays out for the re-insurance policy the original insurance company wrote. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19322 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Boeing accepts liability. Boeing agrees deal with families of Ethiopia crash victims Boeing has agreed a settlement with the families of the 157 people who died in the Ethiopia 737 Max crash in 2019. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19322 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Regulators won’t let Boeing certify new 787 jets for flight AP - Federal safety regulators say they will retain power to approve Boeing 787 airliners for flight rather than return that authority to the aircraft maker, which hasn’t been able to deliver any new Dreamliner planes since last May because of production flaws. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21019 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Continuing the ongoing disturbing news about Boeing: Lawmakers demand fresh investigation into FAA decision not to penalize Boeing for MAX failures wrote: Leading congressional Democrats have asked the Department of Transportation Inspector General’s Office to review what they see as the Federal Aviation Administration’s failure to hold Boeing accountable for serious lapses that contributed to the two 737 MAX crashes. So... I personally read that as suggesting that Boeing continues unperturbed to profitably unnecessarily risking killing yet more unwitting passengers. What human safety or 'justice' is there in Business? I know what I'm NOT flying on!! Stay safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21019 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
The costly fiasco of the Boeing Starliner has commonality with greater costs that spill out throughout the NASA SLS programs: Finally, we know production costs for SLS and Orion, and they’re wild wrote: Someone finally said the quiet part out loud... To me, that looks to be an eye-watering expensive waste of funds that could instead still fund a heavy lift to the moon AND fund to explore the entire solar system AND have funds to spare for so much more for the good of everyone. Which "Oligarchs" are creaming off all those funds?... Fly safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30935 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Which "Oligarchs" are creaming off all those funds?...CALPERS for one. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36400 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Now what has been the cost of well over 100 SpaceX relaunches? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21019 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
This one does not look good: China Eastern: Plane carrying 132 people crashes in Guangxi hills wrote: ... The China Eastern Airlines Boeing 737-800 was flying from Kunming to Guangzhou when it plunged to earth in Guangxi province and caught fire. The very graphic moment of impact seen by a security camera is shown on: China plane crash... More information needed before making any guesses... Condolences to all those affected. Stay safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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