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Message 2035875 - Posted: 5 Mar 2020, 0:34:06 UTC
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We have 20 years experience with s@h running on BOINC (s@h 'v2')...

We had the start of a whole new world of volunteer distributed computing with s@h 'classic' (s@h 'v1')...

Over that quarter century since 1995, the original design of s@h has held up remarkably well spanning from the days of 14kbit/s dialup internet and the WUs taking a month of CPU time, to now enjoying the vast power and rates and Gigabit/s we have today. Remarkably, all on the same one s@h database!...


So, for our pause-for-thought during a hibernation, what ideas do we have from us users?


Can I start the ball of ideas rolling with:

  • Usefully 'bigger' or more 'compute intensive' WUs to make further use of our ever increasing compute power?

  • Yet also some 'smaller' WUs (different processing) to still take advantage of the lower power abilities of the vast expanse of mobile devices?



And to maintain continuity for the s@h project:


  • A list in the profiles for our present users listing how many WUs (and of which types) have been successfully processed by that user and the credits and CPU time donated?

  • Also include the latest/last RAC achieved by that user?

  • Monthly updates during the hibernation for s@h news and directions?




What do you all think?

What would you like to see next?

And how??


Keep searchin'!
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Message 2036144 - Posted: 6 Mar 2020, 1:03:07 UTC
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And a further thought:


  • Update the Nebula pages so that everyday users/crunchers can more easily participate in exploring and reporting on the Nebula results/system...




What do you all think?

What would you like to see next?

And how??

We are all a large part of what is SETI@home...


Keep searchin'!
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Message 2036181 - Posted: 6 Mar 2020, 4:54:49 UTC

I think a big suggestion would be to have a non-university group take over to unlock lots of new funding sources - the biggest of which is advertising!

We have the source code - we have plenty of volunteers who are expert coders - whats to stop us from creating our own project(s) ?

Do we have enough support to carry on?
I think its worth considering.


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Message 2036370 - Posted: 6 Mar 2020, 23:46:57 UTC - in response to Message 2036181.  

I think a big suggestion would be to have a non-university group take over to unlock lots of new funding sources - the biggest of which is advertising!

We have the source code - we have plenty of volunteers who are expert coders - whats to stop us from creating our own project(s) ?

Do we have enough support to carry on?
I think its worth considering.

At this point, perhaps.
I think that up until now, the intent would be to keep the project 'pure'...
That is, free from any commercial interest in it's content or direction.
Purely scientific without outside intervention.
But it would seem that now, other options to keep it rolling might be on the table.
There may be other radio telescopes that would LOVE to see their data processed on the Seti platform.

Just my two kibble's worth.

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Message 2036374 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 0:13:16 UTC

My biggest disappointment in the hibernation news is that I will never be able to crunch data from the skies of the Southern Hemisphere.

I would like Seti@home V3 to concentrate on that data. The skies in that location have views of the Galactic Center of the Milkyway.

I think that is where ET is hanging out.
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Message 2036383 - Posted: 7 Mar 2020, 0:48:28 UTC - in response to Message 2036374.  

My biggest disappointment in the hibernation news is that I will never be able to crunch data from the skies of the Southern Hemisphere.

I would like Seti@home V3 to concentrate on that data. The skies in that location have views of the Galactic Center of the Milkyway.

I think that is where ET is hanging out.

My biggest disappointment is that the project can't keep looking in different locations for another 20 years.

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Message 2036673 - Posted: 8 Mar 2020, 3:59:48 UTC - in response to Message 2036374.  

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Hi Keith,
I posted a message to you privately. I hope you got it. If not, let me know here.
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Message 2036676 - Posted: 8 Mar 2020, 4:17:03 UTC - in response to Message 2036383.  

My biggest disappointment is that the project can't keep looking in different locations for another 20 years.


This is my (and I am sure I have plenty of company) question that has not been answered by the team, and I don't even feel like bothering them any more about anything regarding the shutdown (they don't seem keen on it.)

So, in the most likely scenario (it's a big and sparse universe after all) Nebula is completed and runs on the twenty-year data set and finds absolutely diddly-squat. Is SETI@Home going to come out of hibernation and keep looking?

The communique only mentioned "We hope that other UC Berkeley astronomers will find uses for the huge computing capabilities of SETI@home for SETI or related areas like cosmology and pulsar research. If this happens, SETI@home will start distributing work again." This clearly states that SETI@Home is dead as far as SETI goes. That isn't a "hibernation". I don't know if this was just a miswording.
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Message 2036708 - Posted: 8 Mar 2020, 8:06:03 UTC - in response to Message 2036676.  

The communique only mentioned "We hope that other UC Berkeley astronomers will find uses for the huge computing capabilities of SETI@home ...
Doesn't sound like they asked them. I don't get the feeling of a comprehensive plan around this.
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Message 2036722 - Posted: 8 Mar 2020, 11:31:08 UTC - in response to Message 2035875.  

We have 20 years experience with s@h running on BOINC (s@h 'v2')...

We had the start of a whole new world of volunteer distributed computing with s@h 'classic' (s@h 'v1')...

Over that quarter century since 1995, the original design of s@h has held up remarkably well spanning from the days of 14kbit/s dialup internet and the WUs taking a month of CPU time, to now enjoying the vast power and rates and Gigabit/s we have today. Remarkably, all on the same one s@h database!...


So, for our pause-for-thought during a hibernation, what ideas do we have from us users?


Can I start the ball of ideas rolling with:

  • Usefully 'bigger' or more 'compute intensive' WUs to make further use of our ever increasing compute power?

  • Yet also some 'smaller' WUs (different processing) to still take advantage of the lower power abilities of the vast expanse of mobile devices?



And to maintain continuity for the s@h project:


  • A list in the profiles for our present users listing how many WUs (and of which types) have been successfully processed by that user and the credits and CPU time donated?

  • Also include the latest/last RAC achieved by that user?

  • Monthly updates during the hibernation for s@h news and directions?




What do you all think?

What would you like to see next?

And how??


Keep searchin'!
Martin



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Message 2036952 - Posted: 9 Mar 2020, 16:19:07 UTC - in response to Message 2036708.  
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The communique only mentioned "We hope that other UC Berkeley astronomers will find uses for the huge computing capabilities of SETI@home ...
Doesn't sound like they asked them. I don't get the feeling of a comprehensive plan around this.

Note, early days yet and the project hasn't even hibernated yet.


I wonder if we could usefully trickle along with Astropulse tasks to continue mapping out our Milky Way?

Ok, so that would be a new way of working in that the project can almost be guaranteed to be out of work for most of the time, but hey! It'll keep things trickling along...


Keep searchin',
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