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Message 2036648 - Posted: 8 Mar 2020, 1:33:14 UTC

I have been here since 1999. Sorry to see this project go, but you would think that something would have happened by now.

World Community Grid has a lot of worthwhile projects to contribute to. If we can't find ET, perhaps we can cure Childhood Cancer or figure out Africa Rainfall patterns...
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Message 2036723 - Posted: 8 Mar 2020, 11:33:30 UTC - in response to Message 2035584.  
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By the last statistics there will by about 200 000 SETI orphan hosts.

Where they will go?

Perhaps we should all set up a new team called Seti Orphans, and go invade another project.. ? :-)


I like such idea! Maybe on different projects but the same team, SETI Orphans :)
Would be the honour to participate !

P.S. my personal choice would be Einstein@home as closest in spirit one.
Will see if it can feed all my different devices. Not compatible ones will search for new targets...
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Message 2037021 - Posted: 9 Mar 2020, 23:24:44 UTC

If you want to do your bit in fighting Covid-19. Zarck over in the cafe says FOLDING@HOME TAKES UP THE FIGHT AGAINST COVID-19 / 2019-NCOV
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Message 2037083 - Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 8:52:53 UTC - in response to Message 2037021.  

As does Rosetta@Home https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=13481

At least Rosetta runs on BOINC, you don't have to switch to a whole new program.
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Message 2037142 - Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 18:52:00 UTC - in response to Message 2037083.  

As does Rosetta@Home https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=13481

At least Rosetta runs on BOINC, you don't have to switch to a whole new program.


Rossetta right now is CPU only, So when Seti goes into hibernation, I will let my computers run Rossetta on the CPU's and I will turn my GPU's loose on Einstein.
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Message 2037201 - Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 23:14:45 UTC - in response to Message 2037142.  

As does Rosetta@Home https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=13481

At least Rosetta runs on BOINC, you don't have to switch to a whole new program.


Rossetta right now is CPU only, So when Seti goes into hibernation, I will let my computers run Rossetta on the CPU's and I will turn my GPU's loose on Einstein.


I am seeing that as a common thread. Run a biology-related project on your CPU and an astronomy-related project on your GPUs.

I have run Rossetta in the past and may in the future but right now the bulk of my CPU threads dancing the last dance for Seti. Then they will resume over at World Community Grid (a BOINC project aggregator that runs "socially conscious" projects, most of which are biology oriented).

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Message 2037319 - Posted: 11 Mar 2020, 18:02:54 UTC - in response to Message 2035736.  
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I've been looking at Einstein as a new home. They were friendly enough to open a spot in their boards to let us chat on Tuesdays, so that earns them bonus points in my book. How is their uptime? do they have a weekly outage? do I need to configure my system differently?

AFAIK no weekly outages. But their tasks are huge (in RAM usage metric). On 32-bit OS I got memory issues when SETI queue dry and Einstein's tasks come into play.
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Message 2037474 - Posted: 12 Mar 2020, 7:46:00 UTC

Apart from Einstein (my back up project), what are the best ones that run on both CPU and GPU ?
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Message 2037835 - Posted: 14 Mar 2020, 6:56:07 UTC

I'm looking @ Milkyway and Einstein or Milkyway and Rosetta, I have 16-32GB mem here, 32GB on this PC, the others when they get online have 16GB each.
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Message 2037838 - Posted: 14 Mar 2020, 8:15:13 UTC

Rosetta needs some of the "professional complainers" to get them on their toes - the number of unplanned, unannounced and unexplained they have makes SETI look like a paragon of virtue....
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Message 2037846 - Posted: 14 Mar 2020, 10:42:42 UTC - in response to Message 2037840.  


The only advice that I can give is to check out the memory requirements. Seti does not use memory as such, so you can turn down the GPU memory clock to the minimum to save heat output. Other projects do use high memory clocks for best performance.



Excellent point! On Einstein@Home I was surprised when some of my cpu tasks started displaying "waiting on memory". I may have to go out and buy an upgrade to 32 GB for that box.

I have not had that issue with World Community Grid. Does Folding at Home run both gpu and cpu tasks?

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Message 2037856 - Posted: 14 Mar 2020, 11:55:21 UTC - in response to Message 2037846.  


The only advice that I can give is to check out the memory requirements. Seti does not use memory as such, so you can turn down the GPU memory clock to the minimum to save heat output. Other projects do use high memory clocks for best performance.



Excellent point! On Einstein@Home I was surprised when some of my cpu tasks started displaying "waiting on memory". I may have to go out and buy an upgrade to 32 GB for that box.

I have not had that issue with World Community Grid. Does Folding at Home run both gpu and cpu tasks?

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Yes, F@H runs on both.


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Message 2037892 - Posted: 14 Mar 2020, 18:16:10 UTC

I can't get the team search to work on folding right now. Has anyone created a seti orphans team??
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Message 2037896 - Posted: 14 Mar 2020, 18:23:49 UTC

I don't think so, but the team (and individual) search behaves rather badly if it can't find a hit returning "Bad Gateway" instead of "not found".
It doesn't look as if anyone has started a team starting with "SETI".
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Message 2038042 - Posted: 15 Mar 2020, 10:51:01 UTC - in response to Message 2038040.  

I think it's a fair question to ask. When the hibernation happens, people will make a choice: some will switch to another project, as you have done, and others will mothball their rigs and save on the electricity bills. Either is a perfectly reasonable response. And I think setting up a swap-shop for people making either adjustment could help.

But, talking of electricity - If I were you, I'd set your sights above a GTX980Ti. In the current scheme of things, that's an old and gas-guzzling technology. See what offers come up in the 10xx or 16xx ranges.
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Message 2038069 - Posted: 15 Mar 2020, 14:30:31 UTC - in response to Message 2038040.  

I'll take a big gamble and chance posting this here, as I'm not sure this is really the right place, or indeed any place.

I have been trying for a while now to upgrade my lowly GTX750Ti card to a GTX980Ti. But even second hand ones are £150-175. It occurs to me that in view of the forthcoming hibernation, some crunchers might just shut down some rigs rather than move to another project.

I would be quite happy to pay up to £100 for a s/h 980Ti card if anyone has one surplus to requirements to be used on FAH.


If you can find a used P100-102 it should give you barely sub-gtx 1080Ti performance at a much lower price. I found some for $250USD or less. It doesn't have any video output so if you need that its not going to fit.

A used gtx 1060 3GB will double the performance of a gtx750ti (personal experience under S@H). And use less electricity than a 980ti.

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Message 2038084 - Posted: 15 Mar 2020, 15:51:52 UTC - in response to Message 2038081.  

For that price I would get a GTX 1060 6GB
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Message 2038088 - Posted: 15 Mar 2020, 16:15:20 UTC

You could also get a brand-new GTX 1050 Ti 4GB, with benefit of full guarantee. The 1060 has been discontinued, so I can't do a direct comparison, but I have two crunching (7118033, 8121358) so you can get an idea of throughput. Like your existing 750 Ti, they require no additional power, which would make it an easy swap.
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Message 2039648 - Posted: 22 Mar 2020, 12:04:40 UTC

Has anyone changed their minds?

A lot of people were going to E@H and Rosetta@Home (for corona19 crunching).

I really wish Rosetta ran some gpu tasks. But apparently no such luck.

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Message 2039649 - Posted: 22 Mar 2020, 12:16:45 UTC - in response to Message 2039648.  

I really wish Rosetta ran some gpu tasks. But apparently no such luck.
It's not a question of luck. They would have to write some GPU Applications first - and that's not a trivial exercise. Especially if you haven't programmed a GPU before.
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