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Message 2076439 - Posted: 23 May 2021, 12:41:52 UTC

Sad to hear but glad to keep in touch. Space exploration is more exciting than ever.
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Message 2076453 - Posted: 23 May 2021, 18:00:59 UTC

I class this as the biggest con in the history of computing. They took our processor time, interest and enthusiasm, and I call it exploitation pure and simple. They even blagged money off us, overall appalling.
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Message 2076484 - Posted: 24 May 2021, 6:05:51 UTC - in response to Message 2076453.  

I class this as the biggest con in the history of computing. They took our processor time, interest and enthusiasm, and I call it exploitation pure and simple. They even blagged money off us, overall appalling.

From the beginning, they advised that no findings were possible, there are no con here. All the computations made were to a try on finding signals.

I understand the dissapointment (it would be preferable a detection than a non-detection). I suggest you to support other projects that are producing results right now, such as Einstein@home or Rosetta@home, instead of others without a granted outcome.


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Message 2076485 - Posted: 24 May 2021, 6:08:57 UTC - in response to Message 2076453.  

I class this as the biggest con in the history of computing. They took our processor time, interest and enthusiasm, and I call it exploitation pure and simple. They even blagged money off us, overall appalling.
Did you even read the opening post (or was it beyond your understanding)?
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Message 2076692 - Posted: 27 May 2021, 5:12:30 UTC - in response to Message 2076453.  
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Peter,
This is a blip in the effort. The search goes on by every available means. Keep the faith!
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Message 2076766 - Posted: 28 May 2021, 7:50:53 UTC - in response to Message 2076453.  

This not a con, read the history.

in the 1990's the Space Sciences Laboratory at UCB were engaged in a numer of scientific projects, but hiring super-computer time by the hour was increasingly expensive, so a group at the SSL tried to find a way round it. They came up with a scheme to utilise the computers of public volunteers. Essentially it involved sending out blocks of data to be crunched and the results sent back for further processing.

Many said that it wouldn't work, so they decided to carry out an experiment to try it. They chose an existing SSL project SETI, the Search for ExtraterrestrialI Intelligence as being suitable, and launched Seti@home in 1999. It was initially envisaged just to utilise unused CPU cycles so people could continue working as normal.

Against all expectations S@H fired the imagination of the public and took off like a rocket. So much so that people were soon constructing purpose built bare bones rigs, and later GPU cards were being used. Many other scientific projects clamoured to also use the system, so in2002-2004 BOINC was introduced and S@H bcame one of the many Boinc projects.

The whole point is that S@H was never intended to be a way of life, it was and remains a scientific experiment. David Anderson wrote a report a couple of years ago explaining this and said that any experiment had to have a beginning, an ending, and a conclusion. S@H proved that distributed computing was viable using the home computers of public volunteers, so that part of the experiment was a success. But sadly, no evidence of ET had been found. He also concluded that S@H wold continue on in some form or other.

However in 2020 the project ceased to send out any more work, and attention turned to its successor Nebula as the new back end, which intends to look at the 20 years worth of data collected using the computer cluster of Einstein at Hanover.

S@H was and remains entirely voluntary, it was an experiment to test distributed computing, SETI itself was always esoteric in nature and always will be. Financial donations were also entirely voluntary. It is simply untue and unfair to call it a con. Looking back on it all the only exploitation was certain people running Go Fund Me's for personal financial gain which shouln't have been allowed.
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Message 2077416 - Posted: 6 Jun 2021, 20:25:01 UTC - in response to Message 2035163.  

This is so sad - I was trying to figure out why after fixing my computer I was getting "Scheduler request failed: HTTP file not found," in BOINC and now I know... I've been at SETI@home member since 1999. What a great trip it's been for cosmology. Something Carl Sagan probably dreamt of. C'set la vie.
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Message 2077812 - Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 21:28:28 UTC
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It's a pity that nothing has been found so far. I have supported SETI since the beginning - 6,532,146 packages. But we will surely still find evidence, keep looking!
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Message 2077830 - Posted: 13 Jun 2021, 10:47:18 UTC - in response to Message 2035163.  

It was fun! Thank you so much for the opportunity!
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Message 2078791 - Posted: 28 Jun 2021, 13:42:50 UTC

I miss Seti.

I wish there were other ways that I could continue to help the SETI process via computation.

Failing that I have resorted to Physics/Astronomy-based projects as well as "Socially Conscious Projects" (aka: World Community Grid).

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Message 2079347 - Posted: 7 Jul 2021, 4:21:37 UTC - in response to Message 2078791.  

. . Yep, I miss it too. Just yesterday friends were commenting on how my life is different now (not in a good way) since the end of S@H. But as commented ... life goes on ...

. . Part of what I miss are the chats with many other keen volunteers. I hope that Nebula will eventually provide some interesting results that set the scientific community on fire :)

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Message 2079707 - Posted: 11 Jul 2021, 7:25:43 UTC - in response to Message 2035163.  

Yes, now I have a bunch of completed SETI tasks from March 6, 2020 to July 21, 2020. These are at the top of my BOINC manager and I can't get rid of them. Can you turn on the appropriate servers for a few days to clear these from my manager. I am not concerned about the missed credit.

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Message 2079719 - Posted: 11 Jul 2021, 12:52:26 UTC - in response to Message 2079707.  

Yes, now I have a bunch of completed SETI tasks from March 6, 2020 to July 21, 2020. These are at the top of my BOINC manager and I can't get rid of them. Can you turn on the appropriate servers for a few days to clear these from my manager. I am not concerned about the missed credit.

Sorry, but the servers needed for picking up new results are very likely never to be turned on again in their present form: I very much suspect that the present results database is not going to be updated with any further new results...

For your pending results: Best is to have your boinc manager discard them.


Meanwhile, the 'offline' database is being analyzed with the steadily developing Nebula system. (Note that is very much a work in progress and a development of the analysis itself!)

Next will come something new from what has been learnt from the 20+ years of this experiment and our grand search!

Watch for news...


Keep searchin',
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Message 2079731 - Posted: 11 Jul 2021, 17:14:23 UTC - in response to Message 2079707.  
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Yes, now I have a bunch of completed SETI tasks from March 6, 2020 to July 21, 2020. These are at the top of my BOINC manager and I can't get rid of them. Can you turn on the appropriate servers for a few days to clear these from my manager. I am not concerned about the missed credit.


We don't have to even speculate about this: your work units can be seen in your hosts. Every one of them already timed out due to non-completion and the ones I checked were reassigned to others, completed and closed off. So even if you could submit them, they would not do anything now. May as well save some disk space in the BOINC client: click the Projects tab, then click SETI@Home and then Remove and confirm. This will remove all the now-useless work units and SETI@Home project data. You can always re-add it if it comes back. I'd bet my last dollar it ain't coming back, at least not in this form.
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Message 2079774 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 6:27:49 UTC - in response to Message 2079719.  

Thanks,

I removed SETI from the BOINC Manager which cleared up all the hanging results. Now SETI is no longer available for reloading to the manager. However, what is important is that the SETI results are still present in all the statistics reports. Which I want to keep for historical reasons.

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Message 2079789 - Posted: 12 Jul 2021, 12:46:12 UTC - in response to Message 2079774.  

... However, what is important is that the SETI results are still present in all the statistics reports. Which I want to keep for historical reasons.

Download your certificates and for good measure, take a screenshot of your results page?

I'm sure s@h will be kept online for some time yet but eventually the project must move on if only for the sake of the constraints of funding.

And no doubt further new searches will be done with renewed knowledge!


Keep searchin'!
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Message 2087859 - Posted: 11 Nov 2021, 1:02:28 UTC - in response to Message 2035163.  

i can say im deeply upset that u aren't giving out more you shouldn't give up well that all im going to say i no its a lot off work but we all want to to help
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Message 2087861 - Posted: 11 Nov 2021, 1:29:42 UTC - in response to Message 2079789.  

... However, what is important is that the SETI results are still present in all the statistics reports. Which I want to keep for historical reasons.

Download your certificates and for good measure, take a screenshot of your results page?

I'm sure s@h will be kept online for some time yet but eventually the project must move on if only for the sake of the constraints of funding.

And no doubt further new searches will be done with renewed knowledge!


Keep searchin'!
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