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Message 2052122 - Posted: 17 Jun 2020, 6:34:22 UTC

@ Petrctale >>How many joined before

It looks like you were #47 (of 1796) to join on October 31, 1999. Here's a really fascinating Seti Classic page to browse http://seticlassic.ssl.berkeley.edu/classpages/
It is the index page of hosts that joined Seti by month and day beginning on March 1, 1999 (with 162 hosts joining on that date). Just click on the October 31 link and scroll down to find yourself. I am "jumping to the conclusion" that the -PeterCTale- joining on that date is in fact the same as your present ID -Petrctale-. Looks close enough, and the date is right.
As to your specific question, "How many joined before..." It would take a bit of work, i.e. select each month/day from March 1 to October 31 - scroll to the end of the page to get the count for that day - and add 'em up! As my college professors were wont to say, "It is left as an exercise for the student."
OBTW, I was #92 (of 143) on April 26, so I've already had my 21-candle cake.

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Message 2052614 - Posted: 24 Jun 2020, 4:01:27 UTC
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In all these 20 years running seti@home in my home&work computers I was always wondering how long will take that some suspicious signal could be found and announced to the world (it would be?), it never happened, at least to our and public knowledge, what sounds weird is the reason is they have a lot of data our systems supplied to their servers to be analyzed, I always believed it was being done along the way if seti@home detect some suspicious pattern in the signal analyzed, it was supposed the hard work was done by our computers, they would now require an additional seti@home2 to process the distributed processing's results, sound like a never ending enveloping story, they also mention they have the results they were looking for, I always understood for results the positive non ambiguous detection of some artificial radio or light signal coming from a distant civilization, at the same time some years ago I read some article where people related to SETI commented it might be probable the signal could never be detected because the waves dissipate their power in the long way to earth and no detection were possible, I wonder if the original SETI founders ever do these kind of calculations or just were confident in their wish to find a signal... resuming the more probable situations are :
a) no signal were ever detected and they realized its impossible with our available technology
or not at all neither the more advanced technology we could achieve for some physical reason.
b) the probability a signal can be detected is so dim that it means a waste of time and resources
c) they realized very advanced aliens could be beaming using energy types we neither imagined
and less detected (i.e. related to what we call dark energy(s) and many others) even using
dimensions we only consider on equations
d) or... they detected a signal and want to concentrate in decipher it, but this is nonsense because
if you would detect one signal you'd put much more effort to hear for many possible others out
there, so much more effort would be put on creating WUs for all of us even new projects would
be created for BOINC to decipher such supposed signal
e) no funds available for supporting new signal recordings and distributions as WUs, but it would
go in the opposite direction the breakthrough extraordinary funds injection (never had before)
would allow
f) I'd like to hear proposals... :-)

20 years with such project everyday not only in our screens but also in our more deep thoughts is not a short while, it was a project I never though it would have an end, since Drake and Sagan with a few others began the search for alien signals almost 60 years ago, it just grew more and more, a very unexpected ending to our search for other intelligent creatures in the universe...

hope we can contribute soon in some new very related projects, that is what I'm interested in
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Message 2052622 - Posted: 24 Jun 2020, 9:47:57 UTC

One of the trigger for the hibernation is funding, but the main driver is to more fully analyse all the millions (billions?) of potential signals we have filtered from the mountains of raw data coming from the telescopes.
There were two sources of data in action - Arecibo & Green Bank. The Arecibo data was mostly collected by piggy-backing off other peoples observations so there was minimal costs involved, just the physical cost of getting the data to the lab in Berkeley. The data from Green Bank came via the Breakthrough Listening Project, and was targeted data, and again the only cost to the project was the transport cost.
Deciphering is a long way down the road, and cannot even be considered until after DA & Eric have completed the next phase of the process - "Nebula", and that will take some time as they have to first get that working properly so it reduces all that mountain of signals we have filtered into a sensible set for further targetted monitoring and recording.
So, as Martin says, there is much work to do before SETI@Home will start to collect and filter new data.
Sit tight, and watch this space - it is probably going to be many months before we see anything.
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Message 2052637 - Posted: 24 Jun 2020, 14:16:07 UTC - in response to Message 2052622.  
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One of the trigger for the hibernation is funding, but the main driver is to more fully analyse all the millions (billions?) of potential signals we have filtered from the mountains of raw data coming from the telescopes.
There were two sources of data in action - Arecibo & Green Bank. The Arecibo data was mostly collected by piggy-backing off other peoples observations so there was minimal costs involved, just the physical cost of getting the data to the lab in Berkeley. The data from Green Bank came via the Breakthrough Listening Project, and was targeted data, and again the only cost to the project was the transport cost.
Deciphering is a long way down the road, and cannot even be considered until after DA & Eric have completed the next phase of the process - "Nebula", and that will take some time as they have to first get that working properly so it reduces all that mountain of signals we have filtered into a sensible set for further targetted monitoring and recording.
So, as Martin says, there is much work to do before SETI@Home will start to collect and filter new data.
Sit tight, and watch this space - it is probably going to be many months before we see anything.

I guess you mean my post over on Message 2052597

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Message 2052641 - Posted: 24 Jun 2020, 15:06:07 UTC

Thanks Martin - I forgot the word "elsewhere".
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Message 2052731 - Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 3:40:15 UTC

Second item
https://www.planetary.org/blogs/your-impact-june-solstice-2020.html
The University of California at Berkeley has announced the end of SETI@home, one of the largest citizen science projects ever undertaken. This project engaged ordinary people to contribute their personal computers’ processing power to help analyze the masses of data involved in the search for extraterres- trial intelligence (SETI). Since 1999, millions of people have used the free SETI@home software to download and analyze radio telescope data to look for any sign of a signal that might be coming from the technological activities of intelligent beings light years away.

This project was made possible because of support from The Planetary Society’s members. In 1998, 2 researchers from U.C. Berkeley (computer scientist David Anderson and SETI scientist Dan Werthimer) approached The Planetary Society with the novel idea of harnessing the enormous computing power of personal com- puters, which numbered in the millions and spent much of their time idle. For more than a year, they tried to raise money for their idea, approaching numerous companies in nearby Silicon Valley but coming up empty. The idea of involving the public in scientific research was a novel one, and the Silicon Valley vision- aries found it difficult to believe that many people would lend their personal computers to a SETI search.

The Planetary Society reacted differently. SETI was in the Society’s DNA from the very beginning, and public involvement in science was at the core of our mission. SETI@home, which combines the two, seemed perfect. With the support of our members, we raised $50,000 to help launch the project and secured a matching donation from Para- mount Pictures, which was promoting its Star Trek movie franchise. SETI@home was off and running.

SETI@home went online on 17 May 1999 and was an immediate and unprecedented hit. Within a few months, more than a million people across the globe were processing work units on their personal computers, and within a year, the number was approaching 2 million. No one had expected this explosive growth, least of all Anderson and Werthimer, who had dreamed of recruiting perhaps 100,000 people. With SETI@home, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence had captured the public’s imagination.

SETI@home did something else as well, something that no one expected: it launched a radically new way of doing science. The project’s explosive success opened scientists’ eyes to the fact that the public is eager to take part in cutting-edge scientific research and is happy to donate their computers and other resources for the cause. So, where SETI@home first tread, a long line of scientific projects has followed, each engaging the public in different and creative ways. Today, the public is invited to take part in studies of climate change, cancer cells, protein folding, gravity waves, interstellar dust particles, and many, many others. Thanks to SETI@home, researchers have begun to tap into the almost-unlimited resource of public enthusiasm for science.

Although SETI@home is ending, its legacy lives on. The Planetary Society is proud to have been a part of this project, and we thank our members for helping to launch a new era of public engagement in science.
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Message 2052757 - Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 14:16:53 UTC - in response to Message 2052122.  

Thanks Gene I never would have found those pages it interesting not sure I want to do the math to figure it all out either. I was suprised how many people per day joined.
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Message 2052916 - Posted: 29 Jun 2020, 17:50:15 UTC
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"First Contact Within 20 Years: Shostak" with a nice picture of a nebulae with the legend "SETI 2020" overlaped
and image's text "Will the 20s see ET roar onto center stage" that was how an interview to Shostak began on an
article published on Jul 22, 2004, find it in the link below

https://www.spacedaily.com/news/seti-04e.html

or his predictions were very loose or perhaps very fine, is not clear for me, bad year to shutdown seti@home...
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Message 2052951 - Posted: 30 Jun 2020, 11:22:52 UTC - in response to Message 2052918.  

Don't be so pessimist.
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Message 2053423 - Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 12:32:08 UTC
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Hibernation or HIBERATION ?

I think the notice at the top of the Home Page may have been typo'd by David Aderso :)

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Message 2053424 - Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 12:59:16 UTC - in response to Message 2052093.  
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Hi, after participating in SETI for twenty plus years and now in hibernation. I finally have a question I can't find the answer for. I can find the date I joined the original SETI classic project.
But is there some place that would tell me what position in joining. ie. How many joined before and how many after?





Hello,
very easy : look your user ID (2052093) : so there are 2052092 before you.
After you, search a recent user. I found one in my team who joined 19feb2020 , user ID : 10900511
At least there are 8848418 after you (on feb 19th 2020)
Have a nice day

I found a user ID 10926831 !
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Message 2053427 - Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 13:27:16 UTC - in response to Message 2052106.  

... is there some place that would tell me what position in joining. ie. How many joined before and how many after?

Yes.

Just consider your user id number on here:

For example for yourself, that is "124281".

Sorry, no idea for the "Classic" user count.


Very good you've been along to see the entire search we've worked through thus far. Nicely done!

Who knows what next!


Keep searchin',
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As far as I'm aware the user number is sequential, starting from 1 and continuing unbroken to the very final day of being able to create accounts.
Thus there are 124280 users "older" than the questioner.
As to the "newest" user - the number is going to be slightly greater than 10932385, so thee are at least 10808104 users "younger" than yourself.
One thing to remember is that some people have more than one account for various reasons, for example I've had two accounts, this one and an older one, which I "lost" because I couldn't remember my ancient email address when I started using BOINC so I moved my then current Classic account to be my BOINC-based one (shame I did that because I first started on S@H back in September 1999).
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Message 2053433 - Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 14:16:10 UTC - in response to Message 2053427.  

To add slightly more detail to Rob's answer: there were two numeric sequences. The first, for what we now know as 'SETI Classic', ran from 1999 to 2005. When BOINC first started in test mode, the sequence was started again from 1.

But the BOINC sequence was automatically seeded by a bulk transfer of the most active accounts. I retain BOINC ID number 5509 to this day, even though I didn't join SETI that early - that was the position I had reached in the classic statistics when the bulk transfer was initiated in, I think, 2004. I'm not sure exactly how many of the early numbers were created that way - possibly the first ten thousand, or something like that.
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Message 2053486 - Posted: 17 Jul 2020, 5:19:29 UTC

Regarding "seti classic" early registration... scroll back to message 2052122 in this thread for an earlier reply to the OP question. That reply includes a link to an on-line database of seti classic registrations.
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Message 2053493 - Posted: 17 Jul 2020, 8:28:29 UTC - in response to Message 2052731.  

Second item
https://www.planetary.org/blogs/your-impact-june-solstice-2020.html
The University of California at Berkeley has announced the end of SETI@home, one of the largest citizen science projects ever undertaken.

Hm.... end of project and raw data distribution hibernation are quite a different things IMO...
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Message 2053497 - Posted: 17 Jul 2020, 11:24:08 UTC

This from the original post in this thread suggested to me that "SETI@Home" as we know it will not return.

However, SETI@home is not disappearing. The web site and the message boards will continue to operate. We hope that other UC Berkeley astronomers will find uses for the huge computing capabilities of SETI@home for SETI or related areas like cosmology and pulsar research. If this happens, SETI@home will start distributing work again. We'll keep you posted about this.


It will be up to others to use the existing resources.
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Message 2053528 - Posted: 17 Jul 2020, 23:08:33 UTC - in response to Message 2053497.  

This from the original post in this thread suggested to me that "SETI@Home" as we know it will not return.
However, SETI@home is not disappearing. The web site and the message boards will continue to operate. We hope that other UC Berkeley astronomers will find uses for the huge computing capabilities of SETI@home for SETI or related areas like cosmology and pulsar research. If this happens, SETI@home will start distributing work again. We'll keep you posted about this.
I think there was always a chance of Seti returning if the funding to support it became available. But given the present Pandemic & the economic impacts (along with the the political and international power play going on at present), i think lot of science projects will end up closing down over the next 12-24 months due to funding drying up. The short term future for the arts & science for knowledge (not just applied science) is looking extremely bleak.


It's a real shame.
I'm hoping that we're just in for a few extremely turbulent years and then things will pick up again, but it's looking increasingly more likely we're heading for a dark period, if not an actual Dark Age.
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Message 2053792 - Posted: 21 Jul 2020, 20:07:07 UTC

Greetings from the UK.

It has been a true pleasure to be part of this project and the community since 18th May 1999. I look forward to the next great adventure!




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Message 2053874 - Posted: 23 Jul 2020, 2:21:13 UTC - in response to Message 2035163.  

I'm sad to see it go I was one of the people that heard the call thanks to the late Art Bell and Seth Shostak's interview in the late 90's long b4 BOINC. I've been crunching ever since. Wish it would continue, but if your having data storage issues which I suspect is the bottom line (call it a hunch) I certainly understand. Please let me know if, you decide to crunching numbers again , I'll gladly come back
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Message 2054559 - Posted: 2 Aug 2020, 16:43:24 UTC - in response to Message 2053423.  

Hibernation or HIBERATION ?

I think the notice at the top of the Home Page may have been typo'd...

We're now hibernated ;-)


Thanks for noting that!

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